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Posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 12:59:00
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 » Tychka, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 12:34:14
Marty,
Just thought this might be useful:
http://www.poisklekarstv.ru/ - a site, for searching all russian pharmacies.
Thanks for all the information and support in this forum. If I could be of any help, navigating through Russian and/or Ukrainian sites/info - please let me know.Ellen
tychka@yahoo.com
Posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 13:12:50
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 » Tychka, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 12:34:14
Hi, Marty!
I read some of the entries in the forum that you mentioned. It's kind of difficult to tell how effective the med is (yes, Agomelatin and Meletor is the same thing). Most agree, that side effects are minimal. Cost of the med is prohibitive for many potential users in Ukraine.
Ellen
Posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 13:49:19
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 13:12:50
many thanks Marty :-)
This is very exciting!
I want to order it as soon as possible.
But before, I want to ask, do you have an idea how we can check it is the original
Servier molecule and not a fake or imitation?In Ukraine, regulation is not so strong, and it could be only similar to the original molecule, or even contain toxic ingredients [like drugs that are sold throught the internet, like fake Viagra, or like herbs from china].
Also, I've sent you babblemail, and gave my e-mail, to give information about sites to order and other technical information.
Posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 13:55:36
In reply to AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 10:46:09
marty,
your babblemail doesn't work.it is said:"Sorry, but babblemail is not turned on for the sender"
How can I send you my email?
Posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 14:24:41
In reply to AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 10:46:09
On one hand We can Email Servier and ask them if it is their molecule.
But on the other hand, which is more important-
if it is indeed Servier's original molecule, but it's not marketed with their permission,
and/or they are not aware of the marketing in
Ukraine, I really really wouldn't want to bring it to their attention,
and make them try and stop the marketing in the Ukraine.
What do you think?
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 14:51:06
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 12:59:00
> Marty,
> Just thought this might be useful:
> http://www.poisklekarstv.ru/ - a site, for searching all russian pharmacies.
---
Nice. Thanks for that! I'll try to search on it.If I could be of any help, navigating through Russian and/or Ukrainian sites/info - please let me know.
---
Thanks alot Elen! In fact, I think we may need you to communicate with some Ukranian online pharmacies in the short term. :)
/\/\arty
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 14:56:11
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 13:12:50
> Hi, Marty!
> I read some of the entries in the forum that you mentioned. It's kind of difficult to tell how effective the med is.
---
Yes that's true. But I bet it works for some which nothing else worked and for people, like me, which are very treatment intolerant. Are you looking forward to try it ?> Most agree, that side effects are minimal. Cost of the med is prohibitive for many potential users in Ukraine.
---
That's what I've read also. That's sad. 42$ USD is cheaper than most ADs here (including the generics)... I wonder how much it cost there the commons psycho meds./\/\arty
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:02:16
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 13:49:19
> many thanks Marty :-)
> This is very exciting!
> I want to order it as soon as possible.
---
It is! :)> But before, I want to ask, do you have an idea how we can check it is the original
> Servier molecule and not a fake or imitation?
---
One way which isn't perfect but better than nothing is to compare the serial numbers on our box when we'll receive them. If they are different then we'll write Servier to confirm us that they as from legit AND safe batches of their production. Btw, a lab determined that nobody never counterfeit Tianeptine (Servier current AD) and that was mainly because it wasn't that popular (no reputation) and addictive .. by bet is that if Agomelatine gets counterfeited at all, it will be in a couple years when it would have gained reputation/popularity... not now.
> Also, I've sent you babblemail, and gave my e-mail, to give information about sites to order and other technical information.
---
I'm taking my email. Expect my reply in the next couple minutes./\/\arty
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:08:16
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 13:55:36
> marty,
> your babblemail doesn't work.
>
> it is said:"Sorry, but babblemail is not turned on for the sender"
>
> How can I send you my email?
---Really ? hmmm.. strange since it was working not long ago. I guess someone desactivated my babblemail ? I can't give my email address here.. so I don't know what to do about that. I just checked my email and I have several Babblemail waiting... I can't see why it doesn't work for you.
Here's what you'll do:
reply here with you email in an encoded fashion. Very simple-> write it in reverse like "myemail@hotmail.com" = "moc.liamtoh@liameym"This will saves you from SPAM-bots.
/\/\arty
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:23:58
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 14:24:41
> But on the other hand, which is more important-
> if it is indeed Servier's original molecule, but it's not marketed with their permission,
---
It seems Servier really got Agomelatine approved in Ukraine. For Russia it isn't clear as of now..I feel it's the real deal.
/\/\arty
Posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 15:25:26
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 » rotem, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:02:16
my email: [xxx]
What I/we need is
a relaiable online pharmacies in Ukraine ,
and to know the details about the bureauiocratic procedure- is a prescription needed, how can it cross the customs, etc.Hope Elen can help communicate with the Ukranian online pharmacies.
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:27:11
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD! » rotem, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:23:58
Some reported that my babblemail was desactivated. To communicate in private please reply to this post with your email address written in reverse like : myemail@hotmail.com = moc.liamtoh@liameymThis is because the email SPAMMERS collect every email addresses they can on the web.
/\/\arty
Posted by dapper on September 25, 2008, at 15:52:53
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 15:27:11
Hope is good, but expecting too much from something can lead to a big let down so lets be realistic. How about doing a long term trial and posting results. Based on your expectations its obvious you are gonna have a huge placebo effect in the beginning.
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 16:51:31
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by dapper on September 25, 2008, at 15:52:53
> Hope is good, but expecting too much from something can lead to a big let down so lets be realistic. How about doing a long term trial and posting results. Based on your expectations its obvious you are gonna have a huge placebo effect in the beginning.
---Hi dapper,
I think I'm realistic at every level. As for the placebo effect, it's good to know that I've tried over 35 drugs and over 45 supplements of all kind. I'm knowledgeable, well experienced and sensitive in a way which would allow me to positively guess in less than 3 try any of the drugs I've tried in the past if someone would give it to me acutely or chronically, depending on the med. :) .. I'm one good guinea pig ..
My hope for this med is moderate regarding how I'll react to it. The way I 'size' this med, in my case it -could- make the cut as an add-on to my cocktail at 12.5mg or even 6.25mg. This wont be the silver bullet for me, but I think it will for many people here.
/\/\arty
Posted by Tychka on September 25, 2008, at 16:54:46
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 15:25:26
Hi,
I have never personally ordered anything from Ukrainian online pharmacies, so I don't have any idea as to which ones are reliable.
Sorry,
Ellen> my email: [xxx]
>
> What I/we need is
> a relaiable online pharmacies in Ukraine ,
> and to know the details about the bureauiocratic procedure- is a prescription needed, how can it cross the customs, etc.
>
> Hope Elen can help communicate with the Ukranian online pharmacies.
>
Posted by perek on September 25, 2008, at 17:50:03
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 » emilio, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 11:56:22
Great news !!!!
Posted by PH on September 25, 2008, at 18:07:13
In reply to AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 10:46:09
Hi Marty,
I am new to the board as of today. I tried to Babblemail you though was not able to make the process work. I was hoping to receive any ordering information you might have for Agomelatine in the Ukraine. Mnay thanks, Phil
Posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 18:16:46
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD! » Marty, posted by PH on September 25, 2008, at 18:07:13
> Hi Marty,
>
> I am new to the board as of today. I tried to Babblemail you though was not able to make the process work. I was hoping to receive any ordering information you might have for Agomelatine in the Ukraine. Mnay thanks, Phil
---Hi Phil.
Some reported that my babblemail was desactivated. To communicate in private please reply to this post with your email address written in reverse like : myemail@hotmail.com = moc.liamtoh@liameym
This is because the email SPAMMERS collect every email addresses they can on the web.
/\/\arty
Posted by Phillipa on September 25, 2008, at 19:52:22
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD! » PH, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 18:16:46
Marty's babblemail works I just babblemailed him. Here's how to babblemail see Marty's name in blue? Well click on his name and a screen will appear you write you message on that like an e-mail as no one but Marty will see it. At the bottom Of the place to write the message you will see send and click on it should then say babblemil sent. Also if you want a copy click on the top where it says copy to you. Hope this helps. Love Phillipa ps Marty let me know if you got mine okay?
Posted by subconscious101 on September 26, 2008, at 2:27:12
In reply to AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42 USD!, posted by Marty on September 25, 2008, at 10:46:09
Marty either mine or your babblemail how can i talk with you in privite?
Posted by perek on September 26, 2008, at 3:29:18
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 15:25:26
I think it would be really unwize to to contact Servier HQ regarding supplies via Ukraine.
It IS approved in Ukraine. And Servier has full rep. office there now marketing the drug. The chance of a counterfeit is non-existant. Simply cause there is no market...yet.
But we better play this under the clouds and not stirr things up that may result in strict Servier HQ policy about supplies to certain on-line pharmacies and prescriptions req. in Ukraine.
Per
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 26, 2008, at 4:15:24
In reply to Re: AGOMELATINE is Marketed AND Available for $42, posted by rotem on September 25, 2008, at 15:25:26
> I can't here because it's against the policy but Babblemail me with your email address and I'll send you the informations.
>
> Marty> to marty [xxx]
>
> emilio> my email: [xxx]
>
> rotemPlease don't use this site (which includes Babblemail) to exchange information that could be used to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people.
More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Marty on September 26, 2008, at 14:37:32
In reply to Re: medication not approved » Marty » emilio » rotem, posted by Dr. Bob on September 26, 2008, at 4:15:24
> Please don't use this site (which includes Babblemail) to exchange information that could be used to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration.
---
Okay Dr.Bob .. No more information exchange on this site. My apologies, I've got too excited about the whole thing and I know many others here are also.As I'm aware of the trouble this could get you into, I've found another way of discussing those sensitive issues .. one that doesn't include your board at all.
/\/\arty
Ps: Please resume my Babblemail functionality. I may receive request my babblemail in the future, but I won't answer them like I did. Only for inviting them to discuss the manner with their respective Psychiatrist and to invite them to a small forum exclusively discussing everything 'Agomelatine' where I expect some people in different clinical trials to share with us their experiences and some other who will go the 'Offshore Ordering' way and will report us their also experiences./\/\arty
Posted by Marty on September 26, 2008, at 14:43:55
In reply to Re: medication not approved » Dr. Bob, posted by Marty on September 26, 2008, at 14:37:32
Because Agomelatine isn't yet approved in USA, I recognize discussing some aspect of it on this board could be problematic to Dr.Bob .. Again, I appologies.To fix this situation, a google group / mailing list is on the net now where we are welcome to JOIN and discuss Agomelatine without causing potential problems to Dr.Bob.
The link is XXX
Come and join.
Please be aware that I'll no longer provide 'sensitive' information through the Babblemail system as it's against the politics of the site.Again.. my appologies to Dr.Bob,
/\/\arty
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 26, 2008, at 15:28:18
In reply to Where to discuss Agomelatine ...................., posted by Marty on September 26, 2008, at 14:43:55
> a google group / mailing list is on the net now
>
> The link is XXXIt's fine to have a Google group, but please don't use this site (which includes Babblemail) to exchange information about it.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
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