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Posted by your#1fan on February 18, 2008, at 13:12:14
What causes sometimes for antidepressants to increase suicidal thoughts in depressed patients is because, i talked with a therpist.
It increases the energy for thoughts to think about suicidal thoughts, and actaully act on it, my old school counselor always told me she wanted to drive her car off a cliff when i talked with her, she was on effexor. But she said when she didnt take her effexor is when she thought suicidal. Because some people with depression with suicidal thoughts dont act because there is no energy.
Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft Can increase that thought energy of suicide, and i thought this clearly over.
I've been on Prozac for a while, and i dont have suicidal thoughts much any more, mostly in my teen's is when it was present.
But i just thought this would give some information.
When depressed, i rerember i just looked out of a window and felt nother, expept dispair. Went on antidepressants, and really had a warp, i didnt understand these "altered" states of mind from the Zoloft, or Wellbutrin. But eventaully i said "im very strong" and nothing is going to stop me. I went on Prozac and since then my depression has been ok, but still i do have problems coping with life, so its not a miracle drug.
I just thought maybe i would share this thought maybe with yall.
Alright, please keep me in your thoughts. I dont want seem like the "reject" here.
Love yall
your#1fan
Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2008, at 15:43:48
In reply to Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by your#1fan on February 18, 2008, at 13:12:14
Yeah, what the therapist said is the standard line most medical professionals use. I think maybe in some cases it holds merit, but mostly not. Just my opinion.
They should try an antidepressant themselves. Someone who does not have a serotonin deficiency who takes an SSRI is probably going to feel dyphoric at a minimum and suicidal at the extreme.
I can say many psych meds have made me feel so much worse than I was before starting them. It wasn't side effects, it wasn't energy, it was deepened depression bigtime. When someone feels real depressed, they start a new drug their doctor says will help, they feel magnified deeper darkness instead, the next appointment isn't for a month, this drug was supposed to help...I mean, yeah, maybe that person is just going to give up.
If the theory of brain chemical imbalance is true, then if one is to tweak that chemical imbalance in the wrong direction and make it even worse, not cool. Who is to know if someone's chemical imbalance is low serotonin or not?
People are near giving up to begin with. When their drug doesn't help or makes things worse, that's when they actually do give up. Many of us here have learned or been gifted with extreme endurance that not everyone has.
All one has to do is look at the side effects of drugs. All of them show depression as a possible side effect. The instructions warn to keep an eye out for worsening of depression.
It is hard to find the detailed information of clinical trials of exactly why people quit the trial or who got more depressed. With some deep digging, it is there. Depending on the drug, the number of people who get severely worse on any drug ranges between 5% and 15%.
People here for years have said how Lamictal made them feel suicidal. I'm not picking on Lamictal, just using it as one example of many. Were those babblers just making it up? I think they genuinely felt a lot worse. These drugs all twist the mind powerfully. Hopefully in a good direction, but sometimes not.
The therapist you talked to is out of touch with reality, when it comes to the power of these drugs to alter the mind in an undesired direction.
Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2008, at 16:14:07
In reply to Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by your#1fan on February 18, 2008, at 13:12:14
Fan I've always heard the same thing. True or false have no idea. Love Phillipa
Posted by 49er on February 19, 2008, at 18:30:03
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2008, at 15:43:48
Bleauberry,
You are right on target.
When I became suicidal on Prozac, it had nothing to do with having more energy. I wish I could say what I am truly feeling when I read comments like what that therapist said. But you pretty much summed up my feelings so i will leave it at that.
49er
Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2008, at 18:41:38
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by 49er on February 19, 2008, at 18:30:03
And I was asked to try klonopin at one time years ago no depression just anxiety was also on xanax. Well took the klonopin said to my husband you know I feel suicidal but don't want to kill myself. So call to pdoc and he discontinued the klonopin said just take xanax and was fine. So class of meds doesn't matter either does it? Love Phillipa
Posted by your#1fan on February 20, 2008, at 0:04:05
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2008, at 15:43:48
I never had any bad suicidal tendencies in my life.....and i wish other people didnt have to deal with it either.
But i do have to deal with life....like when i wake up, im so distress and depressed because i came out of my "safe" zone, for the 5 min im awake, i act very afraid, like reality hard on me.
________________________________________________Just the fact i have to get up and deal with life just makes me even more depressed when im waking up............oh god im telling that one of my bad ones.
Prozac just increases my nuerons to get moving, i have to get going in the morning. I just wish you didnt have to get out there and "know how to compete, and win!" having to put on a mask, and really inside im really im kid left in the rain. Without my mask(s) i could not function. I never tell anyone this because its just out there....
Every morning just think of "power" thoughts that you can do with your life.
Suicide, i've met many people in school, that today are, one is a very well looking woman, but in high school we talked about antidepressants, xanax, and life, and depression. Today she works for ESPN i believe because she overcame it.
You just choose not to be, depressed and suicdal, but sometimes you get "intruding" thoughts that just plague you like some spirit. I just say "no", your not going to be a part of my life. I dont care how many times i lose my keys, fall in life, humiliation, its a choice, but at the same time its a "intruding" thought.
Just my murmurs
your#1fan
Posted by peddidle on February 20, 2008, at 21:27:50
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2008, at 15:43:48
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> All one has to do is look at the side effects of drugs. All of them show depression as a possible side effect. The instructions warn to keep an eye out for worsening of depression.
>
> It is hard to find the detailed information of clinical trials of exactly why people quit the trial or who got more depressed. With some deep digging, it is there. Depending on the drug, the number of people who get severely worse on any drug ranges between 5% and 15%.
>
> People here for years have said how Lamictal made them feel suicidal. I'm not picking on Lamictal, just using it as one example of many. Were those babblers just making it up? I think they genuinely felt a lot worse. These drugs all twist the mind powerfully. Hopefully in a good direction, but sometimes not.
>**Thank you so much for this information. I just started Lamictal last Thursday, and I was told the only side-effect to be concerned about was the possible rash. Well, since Friday, I've been extremely tired, regardless of how much sleep I get. Then just within the last couple of days, I've started to feel very depressed and suicidal. I'm only on 25mg right now, and it's barely been a week, so I don't know that I can blame it on the Lamictal, but after doing a little research, I found that worsening depression is a possible side-effect, albeit an uncommon one. I read that FDA report that came out just a few weeks ago regarding worsening depression and suicidality on anti-convulsants, and it was very interesting.
So anyway, now that I know that "people here for years have said how Lamictal made them feel suicidal," I know I'm not crazy for at least thinking that the Lamictal might be responsible for how I'm feeling right now.
Thanks again!
Posted by your#1fan on February 20, 2008, at 22:15:51
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants » bleauberry, posted by peddidle on February 20, 2008, at 21:27:50
Thanks, Im NEVER going on Lamictal or Paxil.
Too sedating....and make me feel awful, lethargic....ugh!
fan
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 22, 2008, at 5:29:50
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2008, at 15:43:48
> The therapist you talked to is out of touch with reality, when it comes to the power of these drugs to alter the mind in an undesired direction.
Please don't exaggerate.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing themselves, to see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by 49er on February 22, 2008, at 14:07:18
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants » 49er, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2008, at 18:41:38
> And I was asked to try klonopin at one time years ago no depression just anxiety was also on xanax. Well took the klonopin said to my husband you know I feel suicidal but don't want to kill myself. So call to pdoc and he discontinued the klonopin said just take xanax and was fine. So class of meds doesn't matter either does it? Love Phillipa
Great point Phillipa. Good thing your doctor took you seriously.
49er
Posted by bleauberry on February 22, 2008, at 17:27:22
In reply to Re: please be civil » bleauberry, posted by Dr. Bob on February 22, 2008, at 5:29:50
> > The therapist you talked to is out of touch with reality, when it comes to the power of these drugs to alter the mind in an undesired direction.
>
> Please don't exaggerate.
>Oops. Sorry. I did not feel I was exaggerating and had no intention of it seeming that way. Bad choice of words. I meant what I said, but I sure should have said it in a more professional respectful manner. I apologize for the oversight in not doing that.
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2008, at 18:15:07
In reply to Re: Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by 49er on February 22, 2008, at 14:07:18
It felt so strange. My thoughts were positive but this something don't know what said you're suicical. And very grateful he took me seriously. Thanks for your concern Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on February 25, 2008, at 15:04:29
In reply to Suicide and Antidepressants, posted by your#1fan on February 18, 2008, at 13:12:14
I wonder, paxil is sedating, the others are not. Could sedating psychotropics be more likely to prevent suicide. AP's too, is my guess, and others.
Just a thought.
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