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Posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 5:27:53
I miss you already.
- Scott
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 1, 2006, at 6:34:19
In reply to Linkadge, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 5:27:53
So I do! I was wondering about the fact that he hasn't been around lately. Is it for some reason? Exams etc? Or just a break from babble?
Meri
Posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 6:48:19
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 1, 2006, at 6:34:19
> So I do! I was wondering about the fact that he hasn't been around lately. Is it for some reason? Exams etc? Or just a break from babble?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060927/msgs/689703.html
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2006, at 11:28:49
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 6:48:19
He can't leave. Love Phillipa
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 1, 2006, at 12:05:11
In reply to Re: Linkadge » SLS, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2006, at 11:28:49
((((Link))))
Maybe he just needs some time. We all need time and space every once in a while. No need to feel guilty about it at all.
-Li
Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2006, at 12:10:16
In reply to Re: Linkadge » Phillipa, posted by Lindenblüte on October 1, 2006, at 12:05:11
Li I don't feel guilty about Link. I just e-mailed with him. Love Phillipa
Posted by 4WD on October 1, 2006, at 12:55:14
In reply to Re: Linkadge » Phillipa, posted by Lindenblüte on October 1, 2006, at 12:05:11
He's right, though. If you can't support others, you can't expect support here. I feel like since I don't have the knowledge others do, and usually feel too bad myself to offer encouragement, I can't ask for support or information anymore.
Marsha
Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2006, at 14:47:27
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by 4WD on October 1, 2006, at 12:55:14
Ahhhhhh I want Link back he knows so much. I miss him so much . I wondered where he was yesterday. Reconsider Link. Please so many depend on you and your increidible knowledge. Love Phillipa
Posted by Racer on October 1, 2006, at 15:40:00
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by 4WD on October 1, 2006, at 12:55:14
> He's right, though. If you can't support others, you can't expect support here. I feel like since I don't have the knowledge others do, and usually feel too bad myself to offer encouragement, I can't ask for support or information anymore.
>
> MarshaYou're always welcome to come here and ask for support and encouragement. That's the beauty of BabbleLand -- there's no balance sheet for your posting. You can ask for all you need.
Mostly, these things come in cycles: you'll have a period of asking for more from others, then periods where you feel better and can offer more to others. That's true for virtually everyone here, and we all pretty much know it happens.
If you feel as though you want some support, information, or encouragement, come and ask for it. Tell the board what's going on, and what you think will help you. You may not get exactly what you think you want -- sometimes sincere support from someone here might look like giving advice we don't want to hear, for instance -- but you'll certainly get something, and it's usually offered with heartfelt sincerity.
What happened with Link was different -- I do think it's worth pointing out that he was never asked to leave. He did receive some criticism, but it was his choice to take a BabbleBreak. It's unfortunate that he chose to leave over it, but that was his decision to make.
Posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 16:33:45
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by 4WD on October 1, 2006, at 12:55:14
> He's right, though. If you can't support others, you can't expect support here.
Is that really how you feel here?
That's not good.
Can you identify what it is about the site that makes you feel that way?
Do you feel the site is too clique-ish?
> I feel like since I don't have the knowledge others do, and usually feel too bad myself to offer encouragement, I can't ask for support or information anymore.
I don't know. The only thing I can come up with is that perhaps your depression might be giving you bad signals. You know what I mean?
Give support to get support? There really isn't any kind of suggestion that this be the case here. It is not a rule. It is not a working theory. It is not a goal. It is not the current dynamic, nor has it ever been. People who ask for help here all of the time are the lucky ones.
I don't mind offering aid to people who are in long-term need. It feels good to me to be able to do it. I feel grateful to be in such a position.
I don't keep score. Marsha, I really didn't notice that you hadn't answered a single question or offered support to a single person in any way. I sort of doubt that this has occurred, but if it has, I didn't notice it. If I had, I would not have thought twice about it anyway, as I have already indicated. I think most people feel the same way I do. For those who do keep score, well, I'm sure they have their reasons.
Getting back to your depression, do you think it is coloring your perceptions and distorting your thinking? Is that why you feel perhaps unworthy of consideration? You know depression is a liar, right? Depression actually changes the way the brain processes information and thus changes the way you think and feel. It might be making you feel that Psycho-Babble is clique-ish when it really isn't. It might be making you feel that you must give support in order to be eligible to receive it. There is no such rule or operating principle. It might be making you feel that you are not smart enough to be a participant here. I have read your work. You are plenty smart enough. It might be making you feel that nobody really likes you. I do.
I think the thing people most like to do here is to help others. It is in people's nature to want to do this. You are not being a burden on the system by asking questions or looking for moral support. If anything, you are providing people with an opportunity to do what they come here to do: feel good about themselves. This is a powerful thing. It produces lots of positive energy and helps diffuse negative energy. Now, how could you want to prevent such a thing from happening? It is your duty to ask questions and look for support!
So, whats happening?
:-)
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 16:38:40
In reply to Linkadge, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 5:27:53
> I miss you already.
The only reason why I miss you is because you're smarter than me and I like picking your brains.
Oh, and I like you too.
- Scott
Posted by gardenergirl on October 1, 2006, at 17:25:33
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 16:38:40
Yep, he adds a lot to the boards and has generously shared his knowledge, experiences, and thoughts with us.
You and your mother are in my thoughts, link.
gg
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 1, 2006, at 18:03:50
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by gardenergirl on October 1, 2006, at 17:25:33
Yeah. I like him because he is very creative. Always has a cool idea about what to combine with what to produce some effect.
-Li
Meanwhile, there are plenty of smart people left on babble. I have a feeling I'm going to be changing my meds this week, so I'll be over here a bit more often. Funny how my participation on this board always goes way up whenever I'm anticipating a pdoc visit :o)
Posted by gardenergirl on October 1, 2006, at 22:25:31
In reply to Re: Linkadge » gardenergirl, posted by Lindenblüte on October 1, 2006, at 18:03:50
I go Tuesday. Last visit didn't go well at all, so I will have to spend some time trying to hash out that before we get to looking at the tx plan.
Hope yours goes well.
gg
Posted by bigcat on October 1, 2006, at 22:34:52
In reply to Re: Linkadge » 4WD, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 16:33:45
Wow Scott! That was very encouraging, thoughtful, and therapuetic to read. I greatly appreciate your genuinely compassionate and intimately reassurring support. Although I have tried any and all psych meds over the course of the past six years, my course of treatment has been very haphazard, lacking a cohesive, objective, organized, or "scientific" approach to med trials. I retain no accurate records on the clinical changes or results of my constantly changing med trials. As a result, while I may have had virtually every known psych med in my system at one time or another, I have no objective record-keeping or accurate recollection of specific experiences with various meds. All my med trials just blend together into a murky, insufficiently documented history of failures, peppered with recollections of feeling significantly improved for a day or two here or there. Throw in a course of ECT treatments which hijacked much of my memory, and I end up having very minimal objective advice to give people trying various meds, despite my sunstantial psych med history. So I feel bad for having so much experience, but so little in terms of preactical, usable advice for a person. What you wrote has helped me to not obsess about my shortcomings, and just look to help in the minor manor I can here and there. Thanks for inviting so much warmth and good will into this babble community.
Posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 23:18:35
In reply to Re: Linkadge » SLS, posted by bigcat on October 1, 2006, at 22:34:52
> Thanks for inviting so much warmth and good will into this babble community.
Thanks for making me feel so appreciated.
- Scott
Posted by Jost on October 2, 2006, at 11:09:45
In reply to Re: Linkadge » 4WD, posted by SLS on October 1, 2006, at 16:33:45
I miss Linkadge, too. It's great to have that person who makes you think, gets you into the mood to research and learn more. He and the discussions he so often provokes, always do that for me.
Maybe he does need a break though. Sometimes it gets overwhelming here, and I feel the need to get away from the intensity and complexity of all the goes on here.Then I come back. I'm hoping, and trusting, that Linkadge will do that, too, and that this is the right thing for him now.
Thanks for your contributions, Linkadge!
Jost
Posted by pseudoname on October 2, 2006, at 21:02:12
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by 4WD on October 1, 2006, at 12:55:14
Hey, Marsha. I don't know what you're talkin' about:
> I feel like since I don't have the knowledge others do […] I can't ask for support or information anymore
Do you remember back last November when I was starting on buprenorphine and having a very bad first day because my sweet, dumb pdoc prescribed 10 times too much? You told me what to do for nausea (lie down, eat, ginger) and other opioid tips that helped get me through that time and that I've since posted & passed on to others. That was critical, immediate help. And good info to know in general. (Thanks again.)
I agree with someone else: I don't keep score here (though I do in other aspects of my life, unfortunately). But if I did, you'd earn a lifetime pass. Please know that I regard your name on the board as a "better read it" post. I know how unfairly super-hard we can be on ourselves when we're in the throes of depression, and I hope this period won't last too long for you.
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