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Posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 17:49:04
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 17:37:42
> been simplfying my augment to xanax XYREM and partial klonopin,and its working
> -man, xyrem and parnate-that's gotta shred.
> the two only true AD's I've ever experienced.
> maybe provigil a close 3rd.
> provigil and xyrem is rock solid itself.
> they balance very cleanly.
You know it,my days of going on the same med,at different doses,diferent combos etc being at the awful mercy of an uncaring unmerciful "dr" are over,this is my fight now.I am picking my aresnal.
>
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 17:51:26
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 17:25:52
Yes, the insomnia sucks. I am using Trazodone right now(pdocs 1st choice) It works well if I can FALL asleep, in other words it's good for once I can get to sleep keeping me asleep thru the nite but not good for putting me asleep. I'm currently trying benedryl for putting me to sleep. And I'm going to ask my doc for Ambien CR for those nights i just can't get to sleep-however I doubt he'll go for that. As far as Provigil goes I've heard a lot of people combine it w/ maoi's and it works well. Is it a stimulant? My pdoc won't go for stimulants at all. Hey, you take care.
Tyler
Posted by JaclinHyde on February 23, 2006, at 17:59:46
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 17:51:26
Hey Tyler, glad to see that your parnate train has pulled out of the station, lol! I have also caught that express train to happiness. And this coming from a looooooong time MAOI user (over 25 years, thank you :-) Never tried parnate before (Marplan was my hero drug) but because it does not induce mania (I'm slightly bipolar) it was the MAOI of choice. And woooohoooooo I am so much happier and finally free of hypochondria and panic attacks again. Not to mention depression. Yes, the insomnia ia a bit much. I stayed up the other night and cleaned the whole kitchen. And it was (dare I say it) fun!
JH
Posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 18:06:44
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 17:49:04
so willeey
you're (sshhhh) self prescribing?
i did an ugrad degree in this stuff.shot up lab rats on pcp, cocain, amphetamine for smart research. never touched the stuff-totally legit microsurgery. go to school, put on coat, shoot up rat, cut open rat skull, operate on/insert thing into rat brain, make rat run on maze, kill rat, pop out rat brain (sorta like a pecan nut), slice rat brain, examine rat brain, theoretize how unprecise it is to stick things in rat brains.
thought i could self prescribe, did and made a one time error.
i would far rather find the appropriate support, so i'm Doc hunting again.
Or did you finally find the prop doc?
> > been simplfying my augment to xanax XYREM and partial klonopin,and its working
> > -man, xyrem and parnate-that's gotta shred.
> > the two only true AD's I've ever experienced.
> > maybe provigil a close 3rd.
> > provigil and xyrem is rock solid itself.
> > they balance very cleanly.
>
>
> You know it,my days of going on the same med,at different doses,diferent combos etc being at the awful mercy of an uncaring unmerciful "dr" are over,this is my fight now.I am picking my aresnal.
> >
>
>
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 18:10:04
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 17:31:11
Hey, I've been wondering where you've been. Hang in there ( trying the patch when it's available is a good idea ) You are right, I'm not going to even think about "poop-out" anymore. As far as my dosage your gunna flip, 60mgs all in the morning per my pdoc. Remember I am a big guy (which my doc says does say makes a difference) and I have also needed large doses of meds-my pdoc always says I'm either a poor absorber or a fast excreater of meds. Anyway, it took about 3 days on 60 before it kicked in on tuesday the 21st. And, man did it kick in! I needed this cause I've been feeling like crap for a long time. I just went grocery store and experienced 0 social anxiety-feels great! And yea, I know part of this may be the Amphetamine like effect of Parnate that may fade, but hey I'll take it. Best wishes.
Tyler
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 18:18:05
In reply to Got that Parnate smile as well :-D, posted by JaclinHyde on February 23, 2006, at 17:59:46
Thanks Jaclin, you sound like a very nice person and with 25 yrs MAOI experience...Wow! I'll take any advice I can get from you please. And, what do you use for sleep, I'm taking Trazodone and it works ...okay, and sometimes not so okay! Take care!
Tyler
Posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 18:18:44
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 17:51:26
TY,
i've not heard too much myself about provigil/parnate.
the reasearch hasn't been done as far as i know.
so do not undertake w/o someones supervision due to all the typical scary MAOI stories.
there is very cautious use of amphetamine w/parnate for those with suicidal depression basically the last step before ECT (electroshock). now these stim's are somehow more selective than psuedoephedrine/ephidrine and therefore have a smaller impact on BP and vasoconstriction/dilation. whether provigil synergizes with parnate in such a way that it does not cause a BP spike is UNKNOW? as far as the lit goes. it does pose the potential.
provigil is a stim, used for narcolepsy as is Xyrem, but is vastly more specific than ritlan, coke, amphetamines, etc. i notice it to be something closer in effect to caffeine, and with a nearly non noticable SE profile. Though alas, there is poop.
Posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 18:21:10
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy! » willyee, posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 18:06:44
> so willeey
> you're (sshhhh) self prescribing?
> i did an ugrad degree in this stuff.
>
> shot up lab rats on pcp, cocain, amphetamine for smart research. never touched the stuff-totally legit microsurgery. go to school, put on coat, shoot up rat, cut open rat skull, operate on/insert thing into rat brain, make rat run on maze, kill rat, pop out rat brain (sorta like a pecan nut), slice rat brain, examine rat brain, theoretize how unprecise it is to stick things in rat brains.
>
> thought i could self prescribe, did and made a one time error.
> i would far rather find the appropriate support, so i'm Doc hunting again.
> Or did you finally find the prop doc?
>
>
> > > been simplfying my augment to xanax XYREM and partial klonopin,and its working
> > > -man, xyrem and parnate-that's gotta shred.
> > > the two only true AD's I've ever experienced.
> > > maybe provigil a close 3rd.
> > > provigil and xyrem is rock solid itself.
> > > they balance very cleanly.
> >
> >
> > You know it,my days of going on the same med,at different doses,diferent combos etc being at the awful mercy of an uncaring unmerciful "dr" are over,this is my fight now.I am picking my aresnal.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I doc is great,she gave me tons of samples when she knew i had no money at the time,she is just frustrated cause unlike me she doesent dabble in reading about unconventional methods,so yess i keep regualr appts with her,i leave her up to date voice mails,but there are a few avenues in which i go it alone,but she definatly is active in my treatment.......and yess i have made mistakes that prob could cost me my life,but ive said this a time or two,i feel i am fighting a demon riding my back,literaly,i feel he is relentless,and he will attack on any given moment,so its crucial i keep him at bay,he has devoured me at times,bed ridden times,and im sure ill be there again but my cousin who surived being in wtc nows lays totaly motionless from the neck down with twin babies after months later being hit by a car,if that man can get up every morning and have spirit then i will get up every morning and fight this monster that has his claws dug deep in my back.At the particular moment hes only having one arm in but i feel him nipping at my heels always.
Posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 18:25:44
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy! » willyee, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 18:10:04
> Hey, I've been wondering where you've been. Hang in there ( trying the patch when it's available is a good idea ) You are right, I'm not going to even think about "poop-out" anymore. As far as my dosage your gunna flip, 60mgs all in the morning per my pdoc. Remember I am a big guy (which my doc says does say makes a difference) and I have also needed large doses of meds-my pdoc always says I'm either a poor absorber or a fast excreater of meds. Anyway, it took about 3 days on 60 before it kicked in on tuesday the 21st. And, man did it kick in! I needed this cause I've been feeling like crap for a long time. I just went grocery store and experienced 0 social anxiety-feels great! And yea, I know part of this may be the Amphetamine like effect of Parnate that may fade, but hey I'll take it. Best wishes.
>
> Tyler
Yess i was totaly devoured,and i recomend anyone in that situation to spend as little time here as possable,maybe even have a friend look for u on any threads concerning ur spefici drug needs,but if u are in the midst of totaly depsiar,dont hang around here please,and this is just my opinion,instead get on the phone,plead and get a canelcation,hav a family member drag u in if u have to,dont feel bad about staying in bed for a few days,as long as ur in treatment,if u have to wait 4 days for ur doc,rest in bed,watch some fav tv shows,allow urself to understand u are bed ridden right now,forcing urself up isnt always the smart thing,i know many "normal" people say this,but u know ur body,and if its telling u its that sick,do all in ur power to get help that will allow u to just rest in bed and sleep,just make sure someone is on the phone get to that doc.
Posted by tepiaca on February 23, 2006, at 22:46:27
In reply to 2 weeks on Parnate, and feeling pretty Groovy!, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 12:49:24
Hi tyler , can you describe how was the first
days on Parnate. Did you have some serious side
effects ? How much time to really kick in? I mean
when you said wow this Parnate is really helping
me now.
I appreciate your help
TEP
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 23:18:31
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by willyee on February 23, 2006, at 18:25:44
I totallty understand and agree. I'll keep you in my prayers my friend. Willyee, you're strong, so like you said, keep fighting the "Monster" (been there too many times myself) and I know somethings going to work for you soon. I say, try "the patch" and go from there-one thing at a time. And maybe later if you need to try something else try Parnate again and it might just work great for you when/if the time comes. Take care Willyee!
Tyler
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 23:24:33
In reply to Got that Parnate smile as well :-D, posted by JaclinHyde on February 23, 2006, at 17:59:46
JH, I forgot to mention that I'am very happy for you that Parnate is working for you too...Let's stay well!!
Best wishes,
Tyler
Posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 23:40:16
In reply to Question for Tyler ..... » TylerJ, posted by tepiaca on February 23, 2006, at 22:46:27
>
> Hi tyler , can you describe how was the first
> days on Parnate. Did you have some serious side
> effects ? How much time to really kick in? I mean
> when you said wow this Parnate is really helping
> me now.
> I appreciate your help
> TEPTep, The first days I felt nothing, I didn't feel anything til the 5th day on 40mgs (Just a little better mood) Then he upped the dose to 60mgs all in the morning (I'm a pretty big guy and have always need high doses for one reason or another) my third day at 60 about 11th day on Parnate and I felt noticably Better, and it kept getting a little better every day still on 60, I noticed I was becoming much more social, more positive and motivated, depression was gone, anxiety was gone-It is a "miracle drug" for me! II FEEL GOOD..,.AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING!!! Only really bad side effect for me has been insomnia about every 3rd night I don't sleep at all-But me and my pdoc are working on this prob. Hey, I'd rather have insomnia than depression, social phobia,anxiety, etc.I wish you the very best Tep, and don't hesitate to contact me for more Questions/support. God Bless.
Tyler
Posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 23:58:28
In reply to Re: Question for Tyler ..... » tepiaca, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 23:40:16
Ty,
Don't know you.
But my best approach to sleep was to wear myself out.
Remeber high school?
After sports eating, showering, passing way out?
If your healthy enough build activity.
Physical activity into your day.
Tire yourself out physically and your mind will follow.However take care not to over do it.
Just make excercise part of the regime, whatever that is.
Swear, it is the best....Put money down on it.
tesl8ted
Posted by TylerJ on February 24, 2006, at 0:32:20
In reply to Re: Question for Tyler ....., posted by tessellated on February 23, 2006, at 23:58:28
That's a great idea. And I am definitely physically active when not severely depressed. I think I'll start tomorrow with a nice walk. Thanks for the advice.
Ty
Posted by JaclinHyde on February 24, 2006, at 13:25:49
In reply to Re: Got that Parnate smile as well :-D » JaclinHyde, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 18:18:05
> Thanks Jaclin, you sound like a very nice person and with 25 yrs MAOI experience...Wow! I'll take any advice I can get from you please. And, what do you use for sleep, I'm taking Trazodone and it works ...okay, and sometimes not so okay! Take care!
>
> Tyler
Well thank you Tyler. Happy people are nice people, don't ya thiml? ;-) I take Trazodone as well for sleep. Works good. All the others couldn't put me to sleep without adding a Klonopin in the mix. Don't think about pooping (out...hehe) The MAOI's are the only drugs out there being used for depression and anxiety that doctors call a cure, not just a fix to hold you over until something better comes along. Here is an interesting, straightforward article on them....
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/
Depression/treatment/antidepressants/maoi.aspDid you know that there is a really great book abouut a mom's experience with her daughter on Nardil? It's called "You Mean I Don't Have To Feel This Way?" by Colette Dowling. Right now Amazon has one used for .51 It's very good and inspiring read.
Terri
Posted by TylerJ on February 24, 2006, at 14:07:05
In reply to Re: Got that Parnate smile as well :-D, posted by JaclinHyde on February 24, 2006, at 13:25:49
Thanks Terri for the great info and book, I'm definitely going to check both of them out. And you are so right, happy people are nice people :) I am so glad it's working for you too. Please stay in touch-you're very nice and sincere. And I promise to quit thing about "Poop-Out" :-) Take very good care and Keep feeling GOOD...It's so great to finally feel Good, damn good!!!
Ty
Posted by TylerJ on February 25, 2006, at 9:40:56
In reply to Re: Got that Parnate smile as well :-D, posted by JaclinHyde on February 24, 2006, at 13:25:49
Dear Terri,
Hope you are well. My pdoc increased my Trazodone a little and I have had 3 really good nights sleep in a row...feels great! I forgot that Life could be this good. Parnate's the med for me!! Hope wour still doing great also! Take care! :)Ty
Posted by ed_uk on February 25, 2006, at 13:49:09
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy!, posted by TylerJ on February 23, 2006, at 17:51:26
Hi Tyler
>I am using Trazodone right now(pdocs 1st choice) It works well if I can FALL asleep, in other words it's good for once I can get to sleep keeping me asleep thru the nite but not good for putting me asleep.
You could try taking it earlier in the evening because it sometimes takes quite a while to 'kick in'. You could take it at about 8.30pm or something.
Regards
Ed
Posted by TylerJ on February 25, 2006, at 14:26:27
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy! » TylerJ, posted by ed_uk on February 25, 2006, at 13:49:09
Thanks Ed, good idea...I'll try that tonight.
Ty
Posted by JaclinHyde on February 25, 2006, at 15:18:41
In reply to Re: Parnate is pretty Groovy! » ed_uk, posted by TylerJ on February 25, 2006, at 14:26:27
I know I will crash and burn tonight but oh well:-) It's almost like I don't want to waste a minute of this great feeling sleeping! ;-)
Posted by willyee on February 25, 2006, at 16:05:39
In reply to Up all night and still raring to go, posted by JaclinHyde on February 25, 2006, at 15:18:41
> I know I will crash and burn tonight but oh well:-) It's almost like I don't want to waste a minute of this great feeling sleeping! ;-)
I remember posting not too long ago maybe a week to the group about should i be worried that i found myself NOT WANTING to go to sleep,i was scared i was becomming maniac,well i doubt i was becomming maniac at all,but it was simply to much at the time,but regardless the week break was still nice.
Posted by TylerJ on February 25, 2006, at 16:22:33
In reply to Up all night and still raring to go, posted by JaclinHyde on February 25, 2006, at 15:18:41
Hey, I know that feeling - It's nice to feel so good, I'm feeling great today! My pdoc (Yesterday ) increased my Trazodone to 250-I know that's alot but I'm a pretty big guy, not fat just big :-) and anyway it worked really well last night and I didn't have those funky vivid dreams. I also take Benadryl with the traz, I take 2 pills i believe it's 50 mgs. Stay well girl.
Ty
Posted by tessellated on February 25, 2006, at 17:04:36
In reply to Up all night and still raring to go, posted by JaclinHyde on February 25, 2006, at 15:18:41
You guys are making me jealous.
I think not wanting to sleep to not waste life is a pretty good sign of remission.
Wanting to sleep all the time is bad bad sign, and a waste ultimately.
I took about almost 200mg trazadone last night and I think I'm noticing it's own AD effect. I think when I ad 5htp to it it induces the hypnagogic (half awake/asleep) state that's great for freaky *ss experiences.
Every time I took parnate I eliminated vast amounts of sleep.
The danger psychologically, which I found rather fascinating maybe even inspiring, was the way my unconscious/dream like visuals/thoughts would influence my conscious thought. Typically after about 48 hrs deprivation.Heck I pushed into 72 hours without sleep ever so often. That's when it definitely gets freaky. Though 36hrs awake 12hrs sleep always seemed the most appropriate since you don't miss a day that way. You could do a week of work in 2days. Then have 5 days off!!! Not for the weak of heart or peeps with significant others....
Do you guys get muscle soreness after those allnighters?
I'd often wake up feeling like i'd been lifting weights everytime.
Dunno if it was or wasn't due to increased physical activity...Thoughts??
Posted by TylerJ on February 25, 2006, at 19:00:08
In reply to Re: Up all night and still raring to go, posted by tessellated on February 25, 2006, at 17:04:36
Wanting to stay awake is awesome compared to wanting to sleep all day like I used to...i wanted an escape from my misery. I used to drink (I'm definitely an alcoholic,recovering that is-just about 2 yrs. of sobriety) I drank because the meds didn't work for me-it almost cost me my marriage-I don't know how my wife has put up with all my sh**, but she has, we've been married for 20 yrs. and have two wonderful sons one 7 the other 4.
As for the sore muscles, I'm 47 so I'm Gunna have some sore muscles regardless of what I do. :) I was in a bad care wreck about 24 yrs. ago and it really did a number on my neck and lower back( in case you're wondering there was alcohol involved ). So, yes I have a lot of aches and pains in my neck and back after a full night of work, but not really sore muscles.
In 25 yrs. Parnate is by far the best ad i've been on and i've been on nearly all of them. I can honestly say I feel awesome, best i've felt by far since i was a kid!!Tyler
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