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Posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
I feel very bad now. Im only thinking in killing
me. This started to get worse since I started
Aurorex ( Moclobemide ) . Do you believe the
med is causing me to think more in dead. I
have been 4 days on it. First 3 days on 100mg
and today 300 mg. Last nigth I went to bed thinking in suicide and today I woke up with the
same thougth. Should I keep taking it?
Suspending a med in 4 days? can a med made you
feel worse in that little time?help
Posted by shasling on January 24, 2006, at 12:00:43
In reply to I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
Dude, you need to call the doctor. Now. Some meds can do that. (See post from Devastated Mom.)
Call the doctor and tell him/her this. Don't do anything else.
Then please let us know that you have called.
Suzie
Posted by wanttobhappy on January 24, 2006, at 14:02:57
In reply to I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
i agree with shasling you need to call doc or go to the hospital as soon as possible!!! i have never been on aurorex but i know some meds can make you feel that way before they start to work. GET HELP NOW
best wishes
please update and tell us how you are doing
Posted by ed_uk on January 24, 2006, at 14:45:34
In reply to I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
Dear Tepi
A few people on p-babble have reported feeling suicidal on Aurorix. I think you should contact your doctor straight away. Perhaps you should return to Nardil?
Love
Ed
Posted by jay on January 24, 2006, at 15:06:34
In reply to I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
Hi...
There is a note in our Canadian drug book(CPR) that Moclobemide can cause strong aggitation in certain people. I'd say if you aren't comfortable with it, don't let it hurt you further.
Please take care,
Jay
Posted by blueberry on January 24, 2006, at 16:48:27
In reply to I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 24, 2006, at 10:56:40
I would stop it immediately. But that's just me.
I got mixed up and accidentally answered this thread in the wrong thread. Please read in the thread below "Excusing myself from the PB med table".
I feel so bad for you. I felt just as bad on moclobemide. I would stop.
Posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2006, at 20:35:45
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by blueberry on January 24, 2006, at 16:48:27
My Tepi please do not hurt yourself. Or allow yourself to feel so bad. Listen to Ed and the others. Call the pdoc, stop the med, and go to the hospital. Is there someone there with you? You shouldn't be alone. And could you start Nardil again? You seemed to do pretty well on that. Love Phillipa. ps Babblemail me any time. Please update.
Posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 11:04:50
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2006, at 20:35:45
Thank you all for your help. I have stopped
taking Moclobemide. My last dose was yesterday
in the morning , before writing the first post.
I´m still feeling very suicidal, this has been
the worst of the last drugs I have tried.
I think Im giving up , I don´t know If I could
keep trying other meds.
Guys I was better on Nardil, but I wasn´t still
a normal happy person, this is why I decided to
to try other meds. My quality of life was poor.
I think a lot in Parnate and nothing more else.
The other drugs don´t help. Im gonna see my Pdoc
on friday. He doesn´t want me on Parnate but he
also doesn´t know what else to try. Im starting my washout period. I´m gonna return to MAOI´s ,
don´t know yet if Parnate or Nardil . I would like to try Parnate.
Thank you again shasling, wanttobhappy , eddy
jay , blueberry and PhillipaYour friend
Tepi
Posted by shasling on January 25, 2006, at 11:30:06
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 11:04:50
I'm happy to hear from you, Tep. I'm sorry you are stil feeling bad. I know how hopeful we can get when we try a new drug, and then how disappointing if it doesn't work. Keep fighting.
Good luck with the doc on Friday.
Suzie
Posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2006, at 13:03:19
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 11:04:50
Hi Tepi
Good to hear from you. I think you'll feel better very soon when the moclobemide has completely worn off.
Trying Parnate is a good idea I think. Why doesn't your pdoc want you to try it?
>Im starting my washout period.
When did you take your last dose of Paxil? Leave at least 2 weeks after stopping Paxil before you start Parnate.
Your friend
Eddy
Posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:21:58
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2006, at 13:03:19
> Hi Tepi
>
> Good to hear from you. I think you'll feel better very soon when the moclobemide has completely worn off.
>Hi eddy, I hope so
> Trying Parnate is a good idea I think. Why doesn't your pdoc want you to try it?
>He said is too dangerous. That I could have HP crisis even without taking any wrong food or med.
I remember the first time we were discussing between Nardil and Parnate, he mentioned about sudden Deaths on Parnate. Then he said that Nardil was the best choice.
I think that I could be on Parnate, I know very well the food restrictions, I was 2 years on Nardil. And also I believe is worth the risk.> >Im starting my washout period.
>
> When did you take your last dose of Paxil? Leave at least 2 weeks after stopping Paxil before you start Parnate.
>
> Your friend
>
> Eddy
>Ey eddy I exactly was gonna ask you that. Do I have to wait 2 weeks ? . I left Paxil one month ago . Then it came the Remeron, I suspended it 7 days ago. Waited 2 days an started this Moclobemide.
Tepi
Posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:23:33
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » tepiaca, posted by shasling on January 25, 2006, at 11:30:06
> I'm happy to hear from you, Tep. I'm sorry you are stil feeling bad. I know how hopeful we can get when we try a new drug, and then how disappointing if it doesn't work. Keep fighting.
>
> Good luck with the doc on Friday.
>
> SuzieThank you suzie =) , how is the Parnate going ?
is lamictal still working ?Suzie have you tried Nardil?
Tep
Posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2006, at 16:38:48
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » ed_uk, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:21:58
Hi Tepi
>That I could have HP crisis even without taking any wrong food or med.
It's very unlikely. You can minimise the risk by taking Parnate in divided doses throughout the day.
>I think that I could be on Parnate
I agree :)
>Do I have to wait 2 weeks?
After stopping an SSRI, yes, except fluoxetine, in which case you need to wait 5 weeks!
>Then it came the Remeron, I suspended it 7 days ago. Waited 2 days an started this Moclobemide.
It isn't known whether Remeron interacts with Parnate.
Eddy
Posted by shasling on January 25, 2006, at 17:09:05
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:23:33
Hey Tep,
Isn't that something, when they are afraid to give you something "dangerous", like our condition isn't already that? We live with dangerous every damn day of our lives. That just makes me so angry. (I finally had to get Parnate on my own and start without a doc, cause I could not get one to rx it NO MATTER WHAT I DID OR SAID, and I was truly done. When I got a new doc and went in and said I got this off the internet, I'm taking it now, do you want to help me manage the higher doses, what could he say, I guess??)
Anyway, afraid to say the Parnate comes and goes. Hopefully its a dosage thing. I could still go much higher on it, but now that I'm doing it with a doc I have to go slower. Can't get him to undertsand I'm OUTTA time. : )
Lamictal, same thing, raising dosage very slowly to avoid the rash . So I guess I'm in kind of a limbo. But I do have some fairly good days. To be honest I'm not sure its the actual AD effects of the Parnate yet, cause I can take one and feel it like a little bitty rush within an hour, so it may be the amph metabolites. Whetever, it gets me outta bed some days and thats good enough for now.
Have not tried Nardil but it is next. In fact, Jedi posted a really interesting med study this morning about Nardil. Check it out... it is on "Tired all the time. Advice?" posted by Paulbwell on 9/18. I got thoroughly excited when I read it. So Nardil is next up.
Please hang in there, Tep. I know how frustrating it is - we are all tired of this crap - and I know you are at a really bad part right now. I know when I was like that I had to have a plan or I just felt so hopeless. Let's work on finding a way to get them to try you on the Parnate.
Wishing for your peace,
Suzie
Posted by naughtypuppy on January 25, 2006, at 18:35:53
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » ed_uk, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:21:58
You only need 2 days washout from moclobomide. Very short half life fortunatly. I only waited two weeks off fluoxetine (pdoc thought it was 3)to go back on Parnate with no ill effects. I think the Prozac is what screwed me up so that the Parnate didn't work the second time. It seems that there is an assumtion that our brains are a blank slate for the next med. The psycotropic meds cause changes is brain physiology, so that a previous med may not work again. I think a lot of people who are considered "treatment resistant" just started off with the wrong meds for them. They were prescribed more out of convienience than tailored for the specific combination of disorders. SSRI's are the hind quarters of the anti-depressant world anyway! If any doctor tells you "SSRI's are more effective and have less side effects" run don't walk out of his office! Just my rant for the day.
Posted by wanttobhappy on January 25, 2006, at 20:15:35
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 11:04:50
Tepi,
Glad you are trying something new. I agree with the others you should feel better when the meds wear off, even if you are'nt feeling "normal" it will be better than you were feeling before. Wishing you the best in all you do and meds you try.
wtbhappy
Posted by 4WD on January 25, 2006, at 22:11:49
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » ed_uk, posted by tepiaca on January 25, 2006, at 16:21:58
Tepi,
You might also be having some withdrawal from the Remeron. I don't know how long you were on it but it you stopped it abruptly you could have some severe depression and/or agitation as withdrawal effects. Can you hang on til Friday? Do you have any Zyprexa you could take on an emergency basis? Any benzos?
Marsha
Posted by tepiaca on January 26, 2006, at 12:02:54
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do? » tepiaca, posted by 4WD on January 25, 2006, at 22:11:49
hi guys, thank you again for be here. I woke
up today feeling a little better. Suicides
thougths are controlled. That moclobemide
was screwing me up , It was it.
Moclobemide´s washout period last 2 fays right?
YOU MEAN I COULD START PARNATE IN THIS MOMENT?
Im not gonna do it. I dont have it yet. but I
could?TEP
Posted by shasling on January 26, 2006, at 12:58:16
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 26, 2006, at 12:02:54
Don't know about moclobemide's washout, but I'm really glad you are feeling better.
Suzie
Posted by ed_uk on January 26, 2006, at 13:51:03
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 26, 2006, at 12:02:54
Hi Tepi
Moclobemide's washout is 24 to 48 hours :)
Eddy
Posted by naughtypuppy on January 26, 2006, at 15:12:17
In reply to Re: I feel bad , what to do?, posted by tepiaca on January 26, 2006, at 12:02:54
You bet, I went straight from moclobomide to parnate after 2 days. Better luck this time.
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