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Posted by Mr.Scott on April 22, 2005, at 1:08:36
In reply to Re: anyone take antianxiety med with stimulant, posted by jonh kimble on April 21, 2005, at 21:51:07
I would anticipate tolerance and eventual ineficacy. Would love to be proven wrong though!
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2005, at 16:33:43
In reply to Re: anyone take antianxiety med with stimulant » jonh kimble, posted by Mr.Scott on April 22, 2005, at 1:08:36
Sorry Jerry, I had been gone all day, and have been reading the posts very quickly. My bust!
Posted by vivi on April 22, 2005, at 22:26:56
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 21, 2005, at 22:21:19
> > > Actually I have a 1956 AD for Dexamyl here
> > >
> > > "This carefully balanced formula helps relieve BOTH anxiety and depression"
> > >
> > > It states it was available in the following
> > > -Tablet 5mgs Dextroamphetamine 1/2 grain Amobarbital
> > > -Liquid Elixer!! 5cc=5mg Dextroamphetamine 1/2 grain Amobarbital
> > > -10mg Spansule SR capsules 10mg Dextroamphetamine 1 grain Amobarbital
> > > -15mg Spansule SR capsules 15mg Dextroamphetamine 1 1/2 grains Amobarbital
> > >
> > > 1 Grain=40mgs
> > >
> > >
> > > "A Barbiturate can also be administered with a centrally active sympathomimetic-amine such as Dextro amphetamine for the salutary effect of the combination on mood, anxiety, and tension"
> > >
> > > J.A.M.A-1956.
> >
> > Is dexamyl prescribed anymore? I have heard it was very addictive. It makes me wonder because I take Dexedrine.
> >
> >
>
> NO NO NO
>
> 'Goofballs' (Barbiturates+Amphetamine combos) went out after the now still standing 1970 controlled substances act came in to being, rescheduling meds into c1-c5 catagories
>
> No more 'Goofballs' including the infamous 'Desbutal' (Methamphetamine+pentobarbital)!!
> Desoxyn+Nembutal.Makes you wonder why it was prescribed in the first place? I guess M.D'S figured it would help depression. I can't imagine with the Dexedrine bringing you up and the Barbituate taking you down.
Now, Methamphetamine I have heard that is one of the worst drugs thats abused?
Posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 0:19:24
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by vivi on April 22, 2005, at 22:26:56
> > > > Actually I have a 1956 AD for Dexamyl here
> > > >
> > > > "This carefully balanced formula helps relieve BOTH anxiety and depression"
> > > >
> > > > It states it was available in the following
> > > > -Tablet 5mgs Dextroamphetamine 1/2 grain Amobarbital
> > > > -Liquid Elixer!! 5cc=5mg Dextroamphetamine 1/2 grain Amobarbital
> > > > -10mg Spansule SR capsules 10mg Dextroamphetamine 1 grain Amobarbital
> > > > -15mg Spansule SR capsules 15mg Dextroamphetamine 1 1/2 grains Amobarbital
> > > >
> > > > 1 Grain=40mgs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "A Barbiturate can also be administered with a centrally active sympathomimetic-amine such as Dextro amphetamine for the salutary effect of the combination on mood, anxiety, and tension"
> > > >
> > > > J.A.M.A-1956.
> > >
> > > Is dexamyl prescribed anymore? I have heard it was very addictive. It makes me wonder because I take Dexedrine.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > NO NO NO
> >
> > 'Goofballs' (Barbiturates+Amphetamine combos) went out after the now still standing 1970 controlled substances act came in to being, rescheduling meds into c1-c5 catagories
> >
> > No more 'Goofballs' including the infamous 'Desbutal' (Methamphetamine+pentobarbital)!!
> > Desoxyn+Nembutal.
>
> Makes you wonder why it was prescribed in the first place? I guess M.D'S figured it would help depression. I can't imagine with the Dexedrine bringing you up and the Barbituate taking you down.
> Now, Methamphetamine I have heard that is one of the worst drugs thats abused?
>
>Aparently Barb+Amphet combos had a synegestic effect on each other, the Amphetamine improved mood and alertness, while the Barb, counteracted any anxiety or jitters it created, creating a smooth ride.
Elvis loved Desbutal.
Posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 17:08:59
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 0:19:24
Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
especially-lots of Amphetamines
-lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
-and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
Posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 17:08:59
> Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> especially
>
> -lots of Amphetamines
> -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P ElvisIf you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
Posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 21:06:47
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
> > Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> > especially
> >
> > -lots of Amphetamines
> > -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> > -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
>
> If you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
> Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
>
>
I have been taking Ritalin a little over 1 year, and as long as it helps your condition an MD should keep you on Meds which help.Does Dex help your condition? you seem to be a little undecided on this?
Posted by vivi on April 24, 2005, at 0:44:03
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 21:06:47
> > > Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> > > especially
> > >
> > > -lots of Amphetamines
> > > -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> > > -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
> >
> > If you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
> > Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
> >
> >
> I have been taking Ritalin a little over 1 year, and as long as it helps your condition an MD should keep you on Meds which help.
>
> Does Dex help your condition? you seem to be a little undecided on this?
>
Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.
Viv
Posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 1:18:46
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 24, 2005, at 0:44:03
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.> Viv
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Vivi, I was interested to read what you wrote about your experience with Dexedrine and the effect it has on your weight. I didn't lose weight when I was on Dexedrine. I may have even gained a small amount. I had a good appetite on Dex, especially after I exercised. What I was surprised to discover was that when I got off of Dexedrine, I actually lost weight. I think that happened because I got depressed, and when I'm depressed, everything sort of shuts down, including my entire alimentary canal, which means no hunger and no peristalsis either (ugh!).
Posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 1:46:05
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 1:18:46
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.> Viv
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>
> Hi Vivi, I was interested to read what you wrote about your experience with Dexedrine and the effect it has on your weight. I didn't lose weight when I was on Dexedrine. I may have even gained a small amount. I had a good appetite on Dex, especially after I exercised. What I was surprised to discover was that when I got off of Dexedrine, I actually lost weight. I think that happened because I got depressed, and when I'm depressed, everything sort of shuts down, including my entire alimentary canal, which means no hunger and no peristalsis either (ugh!).
Ritalin makes me hungry, partly due to improved mood and improved brain activity, to study, read, and feed my Brain.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
Scott
Posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 2:27:01
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
>
>
> I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
>
> ScottIncrease the dose, or take Sodium bicarb with it, before it.
Posted by not_so_pro_social on April 24, 2005, at 2:39:09
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 2:27:01
> >
> >
> > I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
> >
> > Scott
>
> Increase the dose, or take Sodium bicarb with it, before it.
And DXM (dextrometorphan) or Memantine or Vinpocetine.
Posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
Hi, Mr. Scott. Prior to taking Adderall, had you ever taken that class of drug before? Had you ever been on Dexedrine? Were you on a high dose of Adderall? Dexedrine was very helpful to me for a long time, but I developed a tolerance, even at a relatively low dose. What a disappointment!
Thanks.
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2005, at 17:20:21
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
Hi Mr. Scott, Did you have anxiety before you started the med which then improved? If so maybe this is the type of drug I need to help me to concentrate, but my anxiety is always so high. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Paulbwell on April 25, 2005, at 16:45:20
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
>
>
> I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
>
> ScottHi
Adderall often causes increased anxiety, cos of the L-Amphetamine, Dex might be smoother.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 20:51:59
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Paulbwell on April 25, 2005, at 16:45:20
Hi all,I have used stimulants here and there over the years. Pretty much all of them, and in varying dosages I would choose Dex alone over all of them, but my doc prefers adderall. Initially they do not increase anxiety because of the profound antidepressant effect they give me. Now after a few months...I find that they probably do increase anxiety as the antidepressive effect seems to have dissipated and all thats left is the stimulation. And when your thoughts are worms to begin with, worms on speed aren't so good. It is difficult for to say with certainty whether I'm better off on or off of them, but my guess is that it will soon be clear I am better off, off of them.
We'll see.
Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:01:58
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2005, at 17:20:21
It's hard to say...At first without question it destroyed my anxiety and I felt great. My functioning and outlook were really good. That however was temporary for me. What I can say is that too much benzo actually makes my anxiety worse. Go figure...Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:03:38
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
I know... I thought I was cured..
Sadly... I too developed much tolerance. I tried to go up to 50mg of adderall, but right now I'm just staying at 30mg until a doctor gives me a better alternative.
Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:07:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by not_so_pro_social on April 24, 2005, at 2:39:09
Can you elaborate on your recommendations?
Thanks,
Scott
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by vivi on April 21, 2005, at 21:36:40
Dexamyl no longer exists because it actually elevated mood. Virtually no currently marketed antidepressants actually work--they simply make one number to their own emotions. And if you're numbed up, you can't be depressed, can you? It's sick stuff.
The MAOIs, are IMO (I am not at all humble on this topic) are the only drugs on the market--marketed as such--worthy of the title "antidepressant". That is, they actually ELEVATE mood. Furthermore, there will be no more effective monoaminergic antidepressants coming--EVER--because in order to be truly effective, you've got to affect DA, which makes an "abusable" drug. Even the benign, virtually abuse-proof buprenorphine is now a CIII controlled substance. It's pathetic.
Any new antidepresssant that actually is effective will use neurotransmitter systems heretofore untouched by psych drugs, such as neuropeptide Y and CCK (for depression and anxiety). New effective anxiolytics will probably be neurosteroids, such as allopregnanolone derivatives (see ganaxolone). Selective opioidergic mechanisms will also be on the menu someday, I hope.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
IMO...
Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.Scott
Posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
> IMO...
>
>
> Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
>
> ScottWhat were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
Viv
Posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
> > IMO...
> >
> >
> > Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
> >
> > Scott
>
> What were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
> Viv
>
>DEXAMYL had no generics,it simply became obsolete-(along with most Goofballs, Amps+Barbs)around 1970
Cheers
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 27, 2005, at 2:07:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
Yes I mean that once amphetamines and barbs went generic and they fell out of favor these combos just sort of fell by the wayside. Although I believe they were actually available until the 80's.
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