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Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 18:06:37
Since I'm not experiencing any of the relaxing effects that I used to on the real Valium, I wondered if anyone had ever used Myland Diazepam. My insurance won't allow anything other than generic. I wondered, in your experience, if this was a good drug company. Thanks, Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by awatts on February 19, 2005, at 19:33:49
In reply to Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 18:06:37
I know nothing about Myland, but I'd be very suprised if there was a significant difference between generic and brand name. That stuff has been around for a long time. I'd think that any potential manufacturing problems would have been worked out long ago.
If you want to test this, your doctor can specifically request on the Rx that only brand name Valium is provided. With my insurance, generic diazepam is a $5 co-pay. Brand name Valium is $25. I'd never pay extra for brand name.
Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 19:41:38
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by awatts on February 19, 2005, at 19:33:49
Unfortunately; my insurance co. does not allow for Brand name even if the pdoc specifies. I've tried it before when I was on Xanax. I found out that Greenstone was the best as it was manufactured by the company that manufactures the Brand name Xanax. This was told to me by a pharmacist who told me I was "stupid" to pay for the Brand. He claimed there was no difference. I took his advice, and found it to be true. Other generic labels did not work for me. Unfortunately now all xanax does is make me tired. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by lunesta on February 19, 2005, at 19:48:21
In reply to Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 18:06:37
mylan & purepac are the best generic benzo brands..
Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 20:26:05
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by lunesta on February 19, 2005, at 19:48:21
Oh, you make me feel soooo much better! My pharmacist tells me he carries only the best, but you never know. Thanks! Phillipa
Posted by lunesta on February 19, 2005, at 20:35:58
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good? » lunesta, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 20:26:05
Just a note if its not working for you.. Valium is the weakest benzo out of all of them basically. Many people think its rather strong, but it isnt, it just has a long half life. Xanax, Klonopin are the strongest that are available typically (there are stronger ones, but they arent prescribed any much, especially in the US)
So if your going from Xanax to Valium, you are significally downgrading the benzo power. Xanax .5 is probably equivalent to like 20-30mg Valium, and even then, Xanax is a trialobenzodizepine(SP) which only few benzos have this property, none of which are prescribed very much except Xanax.
And if Xanax stopped working for you - you were probably becomign tolerant to its effects. This will happen with all benzos over time usually.
I have to take 10mg of klonopin to even feel the least bit of anxiety relief, for example. That is a major dose usually for seizures.. so i stopped taking benzos altogether.. That is equivalent to 100's of MGs of Valium for example..
lunesta
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 15:20:15
In reply to Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 18:06:37
> Since I'm not experiencing any of the relaxing effects that I used to on the real Valium, I wondered if anyone had ever used Myland Diazepam. My insurance won't allow anything other than generic. I wondered, in your experience, if this was a good drug company. Thanks, Fondly, Phillipa
I found that Mylan's lorazepam, the generic for Wyeth's Ativan, was so inferior that it didn't even seem to be the same drug. (It acted like a sleeping pill.)
I gladly pay the 6x higher copay to get the name brand. (Which acts like an anxiolytic.)
If your insurance company has "tiers" you may have the option to simply ask for name brand, and pay a higher copay.
Posted by missamor on February 20, 2005, at 17:04:16
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good? » Phillipa, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 15:20:15
the generic form of k i take is purepac. is it worse or better than other generic brands and is it comparable to brand name klonopin? when i first started using the medication i asked for the brand name the second month i was taking it, but i dont remember the difference. that was a co years ago. anyway is it the same? also when ppl talk about placebo what is that??
thanks
miss a
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 18:06:59
In reply to what about klonopin??, posted by missamor on February 20, 2005, at 17:04:16
> the generic form of k i take is purepac. is it worse or better than other generic brands and is it comparable to brand name klonopin? when i first started using the medication i asked for the brand name the second month i was taking it, but i dont remember the difference. that was a co years ago. anyway is it the same? also when ppl talk about placebo what is that??
A placebo is a pill that does nothing, used in tests against the actual drug.
The generic vs. brand name issue has been hashed out here many times. People have ranked the various generics for Klonopin. (Also see http://www.crazymeds.org/BvsG.html.)
In my case, it was a qualitative issue, not quantitative, in that no amount of the generic Ativan would behave as the real thing.
In one detailed analysis of Klonopin (if I remember correctly) the poster stated how much more of the generic he needed to equal the brand name (or maybe a better quality generic.)
Posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 19:25:13
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good? » Phillipa, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 15:20:15
So, according to the crazymeds link you Posted, benzos are the same as far as generic vs brand name. So why would you pay more for the brand name ativan? I want to know how mylan compares to the name brand of valium if they're all the same. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 19:51:39
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good? » Fred23, posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 19:25:13
> So, according to the crazymeds link you Posted, benzos are the same as far as generic vs brand name. So why would you pay more for the brand name ativan? I want to know how mylan compares to the name brand of valium if they're all the same.
That site did say: "The one exception to this is Klonopin" which is what what being asked here.
I pay more for name brand Ativan because it actually works, while the generic doesn't.
While there has been a lot of discussion here comparing the generic Klonopins and Xanaxes, I don't recall any about Valium, so myabe people can rport their experiences.
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 19:58:35
In reply to Re: what about klonopin??, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 18:06:59
> In one detailed analysis of Klonopin (if I remember correctly) the poster stated how much more of the generic he needed to equal the brand name (or maybe a better quality generic.)
That post is at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040510/msgs/345283.html.
Posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 20:21:45
In reply to Re: what about klonopin??, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 19:58:35
Fred23, That was very interesting. As a matter of fact, I have Purpac klonopin. Maybe that is why it didn't work for me! I can't remember if I said it on this Thread or not but Greenstone was the generic that I was told was the closest to the real xanax. I am REALLY curious to know about the valium now. As my insurance is about to expire [significant has maxed out Cobra], I may have to cough up the money to pay for the "real" valium. Any info I would really appreciate. Thanks, Phillipa
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 21:31:54
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Fred23, posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 20:21:45
> Fred23, That was very interesting. As a matter of fact, I have Purpac klonopin. Maybe that is why it didn't work for me! I can't remember if I said it on this Thread or not but Greenstone was the generic that I was told was the closest to the real xanax. I am REALLY curious to know about the valium now. As my insurance is about to expire [significant has maxed out Cobra], I may have to cough up the money to pay for the "real" valium. Any info I would really appreciate. Thanks, Phillipa
Here is another case of low quality from Purepac, but their generic Ativan:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20041029/msgs/409005.html.
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 21:38:07
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Fred23, posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 20:21:45
This post about the company Mylan is interesting:
Posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 22:22:14
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Phillipa, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 21:31:54
So, it's possible that is why this valium is not affecting me in the same positive way the brand name did years ago. I wonder if brand name is expensive since it is an old drug? Do you know who the manufacturer is currently? I know this sounds lazy of me, but these drug companies sell each other every other day it seems. Fondly Phillipa
Posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 22:54:26
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Fred23, posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2005, at 22:22:14
> So, it's possible that is why this valium is not affecting me in the same positive way the brand name did years ago. I wonder if brand name is expensive since it is an old drug? Do you know who the manufacturer is currently? I know this sounds lazy of me, but these drug companies sell each other every other day it seems. Fondly Phillipa
Did you notice that a few topics "above" this one is a parallel discussion about generic Remeron?
Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 0:07:03
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Phillipa, posted by Fred23 on February 20, 2005, at 22:54:26
I will read it again as I am also on remeron at bedtime. I've decided to call the pharmacy tomorrow and find out who manufactures valium and how much it costs. I will also do the same in re to remeron. Thanks, Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on February 21, 2005, at 11:44:43
In reply to Re: what about klonopin?? » Fred23, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 0:07:03
Hi Phillipa!
Valium is manufactured by Roche.
Ed xxx
Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 16:36:15
In reply to Re: Valium » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on February 21, 2005, at 11:44:43
That's the original manufacturer. I'm surprised it hasn't been sold. Do you have any comments about the generic versions and who makes the best. Thanks for the info. Fondly, Phillipa O
Posted by ed_uk on February 22, 2005, at 8:17:53
In reply to Re: Valium » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2005, at 16:36:15
Hi P!
>That's the original manufacturer. I'm surprised it hasn't been sold.
I don't think they'd ever sell it, it's one of the most successful products of all time!
>Do you have any comments about the generic versions and who makes the best.
I'm afraid not, we have different generics in the UK. We don't have Myland.
Ed xxx
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2005, at 16:30:40
In reply to Re: Valium » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on February 22, 2005, at 8:17:53
Hi Ed! I forgot to tell you in my E=mail that I have not had any amnesia again. I did up my bedtime valium to l0mg, as I had an old rx. I guess I will have to tell the pdoc when I see her. I stopped the xanax when I did this. I will also ask her about the Brand name vs generic, and will probably get the Brand name next time to see if there is a difference. I certainly know there will be in price! Fondly Phillipa O
Posted by zero on February 22, 2005, at 22:32:13
In reply to Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good?, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2005, at 18:06:37
I found that it took about 7.5mg. of Mylan diazepam to equal 5mg. of Roche Valium (diazepam is drug name, Valium is brand name).
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2005, at 23:31:09
In reply to Re: Anyone Know If Myland Valium Is Good? » Phillipa, posted by zero on February 22, 2005, at 22:32:13
Thank you, Thank you. As I expected. I added another generic 5mg valium I had from an old script. Since it was old it's potency is probably lower. That with the Myland 5mg and I'm sleeping better and longer. I guess I'll pay the extra and get the real thing and test the theory. Fondly, Phillipa
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