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Posted by troutslayer on January 20, 2005, at 9:29:35
My wife is a chronic pain sufferer who no longer gets relief from Lortab, oxycotin etc...
I want to let her get 4-6 of oblivion during a severe outbreak of Ramsy Hunt Syndrome.
I tried 4 mg of Ativan, but it just made her sleepy and she remained cognisant.
I've heard Rohypnol would knock her out, but I don't want to mix it with alcohol.
What are the effect of Ativan vs Rohypnol, and will Rohypnol knock her out without alcohol ?
Posted by tensor on January 20, 2005, at 15:10:08
In reply to Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 19, 2005, at 13:48:59
Are you a doctor? Not that you sound professional, but you are saying 'I want to let her..', 'i tried 4mg..' and 'i don't want to mix it...'
Are you self-medicating her?
/Mattias
Posted by reefer on January 20, 2005, at 17:52:27
In reply to Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 19, 2005, at 13:48:59
Neither of those will knock her out. Maybe she wont remember it after a few hours but the pain will still be there. You say she no longer gets effect from opiods? Has she tried the really strong ones like fentanyl patches, hydromorphone or diamorphine(this is also called heroin on the streets not available as medicine in all countries). Note that i am NOT suggesting what she needs. What i am suggesting is a doctor maybe should try the stronger opiods on her maybe in combination with non opiod painkillers. But this sounds like a question you should ask a doctor. I dont think knocking someone out really solves any problems.
Posted by Impermanence on January 20, 2005, at 20:24:37
In reply to Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 19, 2005, at 13:48:59
2mgs of Rohypnol with the opioids would give her a great nights sleep if she has a low benzo tolerance, she might feel groggy the next morning. The only problem with Rohypnol like all benzos is she will build up a tolerance and find it hard as I am to live without it. For sleeping I think it's the best hypnotic benzodiazepine you will come across but I don't recommend long term use. There should be no need to mix with alcohol, just up the dose as required.
As for the chronic pain, has she tried Tramadol Hydrochloride, it's an opioid like Lortab and Oxycotin. I take 800mg occasinally for recreational reasons and find it very pleasurable, I find it easer to get than Vicodin (due to the hype). It's just another avenue she may want to explore. I suffer from lower back pain and have done all my life and find a mix of cannabis, diazepam and tramadol to be super effective.
Good luck troutslayer, my thoughts are with your wife.
Posted by troutslayer on January 21, 2005, at 11:19:01
In reply to Re: Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by tensor on January 20, 2005, at 15:10:08
No I'm obviously not a Doctor, but when the only offered solution is higher doses of the previously prescribed addicting drugs, I'd like an alternative. I'm also looking into accupuncture, chinese medicine, and chiropractic treatment. For the occasional SEVERE flare ups, I'd like to just put her out.
Posted by medhed on January 22, 2005, at 2:51:09
In reply to Re: Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 21, 2005, at 11:19:01
Try Dolophine (dose depends on tolerance, this is methadone in pill form) mixed with Elavil (old AD trycyclic, also not sure of what dose, everybody's different) be very careful- risk of OD is great! This mix will knock someone on there butt at the right dosage. Absolutely no alcohol with this mix!! Please be careful, i have experimented on myself in the past and have had some close shaves- I was not being careful. Expect full effects to last at least 14hrs., at least 24hr. 70%-50% strength. I hope you will use this knowledge wisely and do some research on this mix.
Posted by Impermanence on January 22, 2005, at 16:14:59
In reply to Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 19, 2005, at 13:48:59
Midazolam (Dormicum), this is rarely if ever given out on prescription and if Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is banned in America because of the hype then this is certainly only used in hospital if at all over there.
"It's used to produce sleepiness or drowsiness and to relieve anxiety before surgery or certain procedures. It is also used to produce loss of consciousness before and during surgery. Midazolam is used sometimes in patients in intensive care units in hospitals to cause unconsciousness. This may allow the patients to withstand the stress of being in the intensive care unit and help the patients cooperate when a machine must be used to assist them with breathing."
From what I've worked out 7.5mgs of Midazolam is equal to 3mgs of Flunitrazepam but has far more powerful hypnotic qualities and will induce amnesia. After reading web blogs from a fellow benzo abuser this really is the king hypno benzo and thankfully has not cought on on the streets with the skumbags or the girls would really be in trouble!!
This is a dangerous benzodiazepine and has been has been associated with respiratory depression and respiratory arrest, use with caution.
You can buy it online here without prescription in 7.5mg and 15mg blister packs:
http://www.euro-drugs.com/drugs/midazolam.shtml
Posted by medhed on January 22, 2005, at 22:13:39
In reply to I've found you the king hypno benzo, posted by Impermanence on January 22, 2005, at 16:14:59
rohypnol is much stronger than dormicum(midazolam) , i know because i've tested on myself. rohypnol is available in most mexican pharm without a script.
Posted by tensor on January 23, 2005, at 16:22:51
In reply to Re: Ativan vs Rohypnol, posted by troutslayer on January 21, 2005, at 11:19:01
Aha, ok. Sorry, i didn't understand your and your wife's situation.
/Mattias
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