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Posted by iris2 on October 20, 2004, at 12:37:48
In reply to Re: I can't hold on....yes u can!!, posted by jerrympls on October 17, 2004, at 19:42:12
Jerry,
I have been as you feel now many times. I have been rushed to hospitals several times. Last time they had to put me on a respirator.
You are not alone.
One very important way I now get through some of my worst times is to take (as someone else her suggested) a small amount of an anti-psychotic or major tranquilizer. I take Perphenazine about 2-4mg. It works best for me. Some people are using Zyprexia. What ever works best for you. I cannot tell you how much this can help you through these impossible times. These meds numb you a little. Those terrible negative feelings and the hurt deep inside can be lessened dramatically by these medicines. I STRONGLY suggest getting your doctor to write a script for one of these and to take it. See if you do not feel better. It will not change your life but the intensity of what you are going through will be lessened.
I would not take a large amount of one of these meds. You will probably have side effects on larger amounts like akethesia that you do not want. If you have this on a small amount it is easily resolved by an Antidyskinetic like Cogentin which I took for several years or various other medications one being a beta- blocker like propanolol. At small doses of major tranquilizers most do not have this problem anyway but I wanted to put your mind at rest if you do it is easily resolved.
My parents used to not get involved much unless I was hospitalized. So subconsciously I think I got worse and suicidal in order to get the attention and help I needed. Only when in crisis did they respond to my needs. One cannot keep looking for needed help from people, family or not, that are not able to provide for your needs. Please realize that they most likely do care but do not know and/or are not able to meet your needs. Do not keep banging your head trying to get needs met where they will not be. It only makes you feel more helpless. It sounds like your therapist is helpful. We on this board are willing and able to try and meet some of your needs. Do you have any friends right now that could be helpful? Other family members? This is not a time to feel self conscious about your needs!YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND IT DOES GET BETTER.
We have so little time on this earth one has to think when you are able that one might as well stay around and see if you can eek out some good from it. You will. For me it is like game of strategy. To try and make more of my life worth living as opposed to the rest I would prefer not to live. I understand the suffering seems endless and intolerable but it is not. Believe all of us.
The small amount of joy or happiness far out ways the lengthy time in pain and despair.
I cannot tell you how much taking this major tranquilizer has gotten me through some of the worst times. It can just numb you a little so you do not have such intensity of feeling.Hope this helps. Keep us posted.
irene
Posted by Sebastian on October 21, 2004, at 16:14:01
In reply to I can't hold on...., posted by jerrympls on October 17, 2004, at 1:52:10
I'm 28, been sick since 20 also. I wish I were dead too, but that would give people too much pleasure. What is the point of dieing? More meds every time I go to the doctor. I want to be getting better, not just with meds, more and more meds. I don't know if its war, or just life? More medicine will make you feel better, true too. You may not make a difference but atleast people will know. If not, make them know. It will have some form of impact. Drugs are all I know anymore, was illegal, now prescription, funny how they are similar. Guess its happyness in a pill.
Posted by corafree on October 21, 2004, at 22:48:47
In reply to Re: Almost there...., posted by Sebastian on October 21, 2004, at 16:14:01
Been there! Feel like saying, _ _ _ _ it all, and, yeah, I think sometimes we do need to SAY that!
Maybe you should stay away from any psych meds, you, and the closest person to you in the world (one that loves you as you love them), agree you can live w/o.
I'm thinking about you and saying 'it wouldn't give me pleasure, it would make me very sad; and I'm already very sad'!!!
Wish I could go back to your age; would have listended to others (not just know-it-all me and know-it-all docs) more. cf
> I'm 28, been sick since 20 also. I wish I were dead too, but that would give people too much pleasure. What is the point of dieing? More meds every time I go to the doctor. I want to be getting better, not just with meds, more and more meds. I don't know if its war, or just life? More medicine will make you feel better, true too. You may not make a difference but atleast people will know. If not, make them know. It will have some form of impact. Drugs are all I know anymore, was illegal, now prescription, funny how they are similar. Guess its happyness in a pill.
Posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 11:08:54
In reply to Re: Almost there...., posted by Sebastian on October 21, 2004, at 16:14:01
I've been there myself. Been ill (almost died at 15). I have had this depression for 30 years. I wished I were dead for most of my life. Sometimes I tried. As I get older I do not think about it much anymore, I am finding it much easier to live in the present
What meds are you on and what meds have you tried? Are you seeing a pdoc now?There are several very learned people on this site who can help you tease out what medications you should or could be on or at least try. It is not yet such an exact science that anyone can tell you from your symptoms exactly which medication will be the right one for you. But we are getting ever closer:):):):)
In ways I am jealous of you. You are still so young. You have not been ill long, although no doubt it feels like an eternity. So much of life yet to live and so much has been done with medications and is still being done that you have a great chance to find a medication for yourself that works and will lead a happy and productive life.
I am not able to take most medications that have the potential to alleviate my depression because I have this stupid terrible unconscionable bladder disease that causes me great pain and frequency/urgency with almost every med I take. So even if I might find a medication that works for me I probably will not be able to take it. You in my mind are lucky. You can try any medication that might work. And you have a whole life ahead of you. You will find medication(s) that make your life well worth living I have no doubt. Let us help you on this sight. As I said there a several people here who know a lot about medications (I do not know much) and are kind enough to share and advise. Take advantage of it if you already have not.
PLEASE do not be impatient. Finding the right medication(s) can take some time. I know it su***. We have no other choice. One day perhaps you will be able to look back on this time and realize how short it really was. I hope so. In the mean time let us know your dx and what meds you have taken and currently are so that we can help you.
For goodness sake don't let those jerks on the outside world win.
"I wish I were dead too, but that would give people too much pleasure."I am not too sure what you meant here but I have my own reasons for not letting "them" win.
There will be a day that you will make a difference! You already have just by writing this post.
Medicines will never be the entire answer. You need not worry about that. For me it is like food. The food provides the energy to your body but it is you and your decisions that shape what you do with the energy. It is no different with medications. They might provide the ability to think more positive, have motivation or be less anxious. You decide what you want to be motivated to do or how to use your creative being to change your surroundings or who and how you want to interact with and influence now that you are not so anxious. It is truly you who is in the drivers seat not the medications. Life is about living, which provides many choices as to how you want to live that life, as apposed to "surviving" or as you call it war which has no choices but to get through it.
I have great hopes for you. I can tell from what you wrote that you have a good head on your shoulders. Let us help you through this and get to the other side.
Good luck,
Irene
Posted by Sebastian on October 23, 2004, at 9:52:21
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » Sebastian, posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 11:08:54
I feel that my life has been threatened. I am convinced that at atleast one point in my life, people wanted me dead, for some thing that they 'think' I had done. I was attacked twice. One time they got me prety good, kicked me unconcous and broke my nose in front of a whole crowd of people in public. I left that place because I was outcasted. that was 9 years ago, since then I have taken so many meds, that I can't posibly remember all of them. Curently I take 10 mg zyprexa, 60 mg celexa, 400 mg bupropion, 50 mg lamictal(on my way up). I've learned my lesson, I don't trust people.
Posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 10:34:14
In reply to Re: Almost there...., posted by Sebastian on October 23, 2004, at 9:52:21
S -
You haven't said much about your dx or 'label'?!, if you care to share) or why people are out to get you (if you care to share.)
You can trust this site, as far as privacy.
What is the bupropion for?
If ask too much, sorry.
I'm sorry that you are feeling so bad.
Hey all you pioneers to PB, anyone else watching this particular psycho-babble site????
I think some more insightful wisdom may be needed here, as I am a bit of a newcomer.
I can assure you I've been helped here S, trust me. Try have a laid-back Sat. cf
Posted by flipsactown on October 23, 2004, at 12:36:52
In reply to Re: I can't hold on...., posted by jerrympls on October 19, 2004, at 8:15:30
Hello Jerry,
I hope you went ahead with the Cymbalta, as you need to try every ADs or meds and leave no stone unturned. I have not been around for awhile and thought I should check on you, since you have not emailed me or IMed me. You have my email address, so don't hesitate to email me or IM me when you need to talk, anytime. Hope you get better soon.
Your friend,
FST> I'm supposed to start Cymbalta today. Do I? or Don't I? I've read a lot of posts about Cymbalta causing excessive drowsiness & irritability AND loss of all sexual desire.
>
> I've also read one post where someone has had no side effects at all.
>
> I'm torn.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Jerry
Posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 13:26:41
In reply to Re: I can't hold on.... » jerrympls, posted by flipsactown on October 23, 2004, at 12:36:52
Jerry - Go the home page and scroll down until you see a lot of posts on Cymbalta vs Eff-XR, and respond to some of them. This will get you in those loops, that is until someone changes the topic name; sometimes you'll have to go back to home, scroll down, and jump back in again. I'm also interested in seeing how all are doing on Cymbalta. My main prob' is anxiety and panic attacks, and have a 'label' of PTSD, BPersonD. I am on Eff-XR 225 divided in two doses a day, trazodone for sleep, and Klonopin. I pray could find something for this fear, panic, and anxiety attacks, 'cuz Klonopin is not working. Anyone had success w/ anything, but Xanax, to relieve panic attacks? Seems panic attacks make me feel more suicidal than anything! cf
> Hello Jerry,
>
> I hope you went ahead with the Cymbalta, as you need to try every ADs or meds and leave no stone unturned. I have not been around for awhile and thought I should check on you, since you have not emailed me or IMed me. You have my email address, so don't hesitate to email me or IM me when you need to talk, anytime. Hope you get better soon.
>
> Your friend,
> FST
>
> > I'm supposed to start Cymbalta today. Do I? or Don't I? I've read a lot of posts about Cymbalta causing excessive drowsiness & irritability AND loss of all sexual desire.
> >
> > I've also read one post where someone has had no side effects at all.
> >
> > I'm torn.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Jerry
>
>> Hello Jerry,
>
> I hope you went ahead with the Cymbalta, as you need to try every ADs or meds and leave no stone unturned. I have not been around for awhile and thought I should check on you, since you have not emailed me or IMed me. You have my email address, so don't hesitate to email me or IM me when you need to talk, anytime. Hope you get better soon.
>
> Your friend,
> FST
>
> > I'm supposed to start Cymbalta today. Do I? or Don't I? I've read a lot of posts about Cymbalta causing excessive drowsiness & irritability AND loss of all sexual desire.
> >
> > I've also read one post where someone has had no side effects at all.
> >
> > I'm torn.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Jerry
>
>
Posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:44:26
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » Sebastian, posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 11:08:54
>
WHO ARE THESE POSTS FOR??????!!
>
> I've been there myself. Been ill (almost died at 15). I have had this depression for 30 years. I wished I were dead for most of my life. Sometimes I tried. As I get older I do not think about it much anymore, I am finding it much easier to live in the present
>
>
> What meds are you on and what meds have you tried? Are you seeing a pdoc now?
>
> There are several very learned people on this site who can help you tease out what medications you should or could be on or at least try. It is not yet such an exact science that anyone can tell you from your symptoms exactly which medication will be the right one for you. But we are getting ever closer:):):):)
>
> In ways I am jealous of you. You are still so young. You have not been ill long, although no doubt it feels like an eternity. So much of life yet to live and so much has been done with medications and is still being done that you have a great chance to find a medication for yourself that works and will lead a happy and productive life.
>
> I am not able to take most medications that have the potential to alleviate my depression because I have this stupid terrible unconscionable bladder disease that causes me great pain and frequency/urgency with almost every med I take. So even if I might find a medication that works for me I probably will not be able to take it. You in my mind are lucky. You can try any medication that might work. And you have a whole life ahead of you. You will find medication(s) that make your life well worth living I have no doubt. Let us help you on this sight. As I said there a several people here who know a lot about medications (I do not know much) and are kind enough to share and advise. Take advantage of it if you already have not.
>
> PLEASE do not be impatient. Finding the right medication(s) can take some time. I know it su***. We have no other choice. One day perhaps you will be able to look back on this time and realize how short it really was. I hope so. In the mean time let us know your dx and what meds you have taken and currently are so that we can help you.
>
> For goodness sake don't let those jerks on the outside world win.
> "I wish I were dead too, but that would give people too much pleasure."
>
> I am not too sure what you meant here but I have my own reasons for not letting "them" win.
>
> There will be a day that you will make a difference! You already have just by writing this post.
>
> Medicines will never be the entire answer. You need not worry about that. For me it is like food. The food provides the energy to your body but it is you and your decisions that shape what you do with the energy. It is no different with medications. They might provide the ability to think more positive, have motivation or be less anxious. You decide what you want to be motivated to do or how to use your creative being to change your surroundings or who and how you want to interact with and influence now that you are not so anxious. It is truly you who is in the drivers seat not the medications. Life is about living, which provides many choices as to how you want to live that life, as apposed to "surviving" or as you call it war which has no choices but to get through it.
>
> I have great hopes for you. I can tell from what you wrote that you have a good head on your shoulders. Let us help you through this and get to the other side.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Irene
>
Posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:46:19
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » iris2, posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:44:26
HELP ME PLEASE. I'm on Cymbala now and can't stop sleeping. I just want to die. PLEASE SOMEONE
jerry
Posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:48:14
In reply to Re: I can't hold on.... » jerrympls, posted by flipsactown on October 23, 2004, at 12:36:52
> Hello Jerry,
>
> I hope you went ahead with the Cymbalta, as you need to try every ADs or meds and leave no stone unturned. I have not been around for awhile and thought I should check on you, since you have not emailed me or IMed me. You have my email address, so don't hesitate to email me or IM me when you need to talk, anytime. Hope you get better soon.
>
> Your friend,
> FST
>
> > I'm supposed to start Cymbalta today. Do I? or Don't I? I've read a lot of posts about Cymbalta causing excessive drowsiness & irritability AND loss of all sexual desire.
> >
> > I've also read one post where someone has had no side effects at all.
> >
> > I'm torn.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Jerry
>
>
I'm on the cymbalta.....I can't stop sleeping..I'm so alone...I feel like dying. help
jerry
Posted by flipsactown on October 23, 2004, at 21:34:54
In reply to Re: I CANT HOLD ON, posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:46:19
Jerry,
I am here. How can I help you?
FST
> HELP ME PLEASE. I'm on Cymbala now and can't stop sleeping. I just want to die. PLEASE SOMEONE
>
> jerry
Posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 22:31:39
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » iris2, posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:44:26
I believe posts are for jerrympls. Someone let me know if I'm right on or incorrect. cf
Posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 22:39:31
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » jerrympls, posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 22:31:39
Following up self again. Hey, call 9-1-1, or call anyone you know to take you to ER. You need emergency med attn. Don't leave us here. We/I have felt just like you. No one is going to come. You have to reach out. I don't know how else to help you. I've been you're age and tried suicide. Wonderful things happened in my life after that attempt. Things can turn around. Please contact somebody .... please. cf
Posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 22:48:02
In reply to Re: sent your posts to social babble, posted by Dr. Bob on October 20, 2004, at 0:35:17
When you get suicidal ideation and suicidal posts, why are you sending them to social babble? Why do they not go to psychosocial babble? Maybe you should add a board called suicide. Can you pls explain. cf
Posted by jerrympls on October 24, 2004, at 0:40:29
In reply to Re: sent your posts to social babble » Dr. Bob, posted by corafree on October 23, 2004, at 22:48:02
> When you get suicidal ideation and suicidal posts, why are you sending them to social babble? Why do they not go to psychosocial babble? Maybe you should add a board called suicide. Can you pls explain. cf
I'd like to know too Dr. Bob. My suicidal ideation could be because of the withdrawl of Effexor and the start of Cymblata. I feel like you're hiding my posts for some unspecified reason.Thanks
Jerry
Posted by hope4best on October 24, 2004, at 13:41:33
In reply to Re: sent your posts to social babble, posted by jerrympls on October 24, 2004, at 0:40:29
Jerry can you get in touch with an Alcoholics Anonymous group and attend a meeting? Someone will pick you up if you call the drug and alcohol hotline in the front of the yellow pages. Your withdrawal from a drug is similar to what people experience when going off alcohol and other narcotics. People will welcome you with open arms. You can find a meeting in your town. Have you ever been to a meeting? The love and support will lift you. I wish I could be there and hold your hand and give you a hug. Where are you? I am in NJ. I will help you find a group if you tell me where you are located. Remember, you have felt this way before, and that feeling has passed before. Read your previous threads and remind yourself of when you felt more hope for the future. FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT!! Even if you don't believe it right now, FAKE IT and tell yourself: This too shall pass, this too shall pass, this too shall pass...
Posted by iris2 on October 25, 2004, at 19:52:54
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » iris2, posted by jerrympls on October 23, 2004, at 20:44:26
Jerry,
I am sorry if I upset you by answering a post on this thread about someone else. At least I think taht is the implication? My feeling for this board is that threads many times get turned and twisted and people talk on them about topics besides the original one. In this case it was someone suffering akin to you and I answered them. I feel for you and I believe that I posted a rather long post in response to your thread originally.
Again I am sorry you felt the need to scream "WHO ARE THESE POSTS FOR??????!! " They are for all of us including me who does not need to feel a ton of guilt heaped on her for trying to be nice!
irene
Posted by jerrympls on October 25, 2004, at 22:12:16
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » jerrympls, posted by iris2 on October 25, 2004, at 19:52:54
> Jerry,
>
> I am sorry if I upset you by answering a post on this thread about someone else. At least I think taht is the implication? My feeling for this board is that threads many times get turned and twisted and people talk on them about topics besides the original one. In this case it was someone suffering akin to you and I answered them. I feel for you and I believe that I posted a rather long post in response to your thread originally.
>
> Again I am sorry you felt the need to scream "WHO ARE THESE POSTS FOR??????!! " They are for all of us including me who does not need to feel a ton of guilt heaped on her for trying to be nice!
>
> irene
>it was nothing personal. i was confused and upset. sorry you took it the wrong way.
jerry
Posted by iris2 on October 25, 2004, at 22:38:42
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » iris2, posted by jerrympls on October 25, 2004, at 22:12:16
Posted by Jasmineneroli on October 26, 2004, at 0:57:36
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » iris2, posted by jerrympls on October 25, 2004, at 22:12:16
Hey Jerry:
I've been away from the board for a while and I'm pretty fed-up to read that you're still at rock bottom. I was hoping that things would be improving once you were off Effexor withdrawal :(
How's therapy going? Is that at least still helping, a bit?
What's your next step with medications? Have you thought of going to the hospital for help? They might be more "creative" with meds, I dunno.
You're a toughie for hanging in so long :). Keep going. I'm still pulling for you.
Jas
Posted by jerrympls on October 26, 2004, at 1:46:13
In reply to Re: Almost there...., posted by Jasmineneroli on October 26, 2004, at 0:57:36
> Hey Jerry:
> I've been away from the board for a while and I'm pretty fed-up to read that you're still at rock bottom. I was hoping that things would be improving once you were off Effexor withdrawal :(
> How's therapy going? Is that at least still helping, a bit?
> What's your next step with medications? Have you thought of going to the hospital for help? They might be more "creative" with meds, I dunno.
> You're a toughie for hanging in so long :). Keep going. I'm still pulling for you.
> Jas
>
>
Therapy is going well. I'm through with effexor withdrawl. I'm now on 60mg Cymbalta. It was helping me sleep - but I'm having trouble sleeping tonight because I'm so depressed.
I'm worried about going back to work....I've been away for almost 2 months - by law they have to give me my position back - which they will, but there's so much dysfunction there I'm trying to work on how to "tolerate" it. I don't have the will or energy to get another job. My apartment's a wreck...trash...dishes...clothes...it's so overwhelming.This board is the only support I have. please don't leave me.
thanks
Jerry
Posted by corafree on October 26, 2004, at 2:19:22
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » Jasmineneroli, posted by jerrympls on October 26, 2004, at 1:46:13
I always put my follow-up posts on the top. Tell me, Dr. Bob, or someone experienced, if they should be at the bottom, pls.
This site is about all the support I've got also Jerry, and my apt sounds very similar to yours.
Just said a prayer re: your return to work.
Been thinkin' 'bout a post I read. Someone posted about an anti-depressant that's been around forever, good old Elavil.
If situations in my life would stop dragging me down, maybe I could tell if my AD is working.
Anyway, think if I make a switch in the future, I just might try good ole' Elavil.
I'm tired too, but don't sleep well, and the last few days have been awakened by panic attacks knocking on my heart! hang on cf
> > Hey Jerry:
> > I've been away from the board for a while and I'm pretty fed-up to read that you're still at rock bottom. I was hoping that things would be improving once you were off Effexor withdrawal :(
> > How's therapy going? Is that at least still helping, a bit?
> > What's your next step with medications? Have you thought of going to the hospital for help? They might be more "creative" with meds, I dunno.
> > You're a toughie for hanging in so long :). Keep going. I'm still pulling for you.
> > Jas
> >
> >
> Therapy is going well. I'm through with effexor withdrawl. I'm now on 60mg Cymbalta. It was helping me sleep - but I'm having trouble sleeping tonight because I'm so depressed.
> I'm worried about going back to work....I've been away for almost 2 months - by law they have to give me my position back - which they will, but there's so much dysfunction there I'm trying to work on how to "tolerate" it. I don't have the will or energy to get another job. My apartment's a wreck...trash...dishes...clothes...it's so overwhelming.
>
> This board is the only support I have. please don't leave me.
>
> thanks
> Jerry
Posted by iris2 on October 26, 2004, at 11:38:06
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » Jasmineneroli, posted by jerrympls on October 26, 2004, at 1:46:13
Jerry,
It really is amazing how strong you really are. My place is a reck too. Clothes dishes papers everywhere. But no one care about it but you. So don't sweat it. You can dress up and go out there and no one will ever know how you are at home or inside. Remember that. We all do it a little even when we are feeling good. You can fake it. If I remember correctly you have a supervisor which is a friend to you on the job? How much does he know about what is going on? On either account can he help you assiimilate back into the work environment again? It would not be easy for anyone going back so do not feel like you are alone or it is just your depression. Take it easy and slow. You will do fine. Your tough I can tell that.
Glad to heaar therapy is going well. Perhaps since it is iminant work is something you can talk with your therapist about and maybe work through a little of what might be worrying you about it?
Take care,
irene
Posted by jerrympls on October 26, 2004, at 12:38:46
In reply to Re: Almost there.... » jerrympls, posted by iris2 on October 26, 2004, at 11:38:06
> Jerry,
>
> It really is amazing how strong you really are. My place is a reck too. Clothes dishes papers everywhere. But no one care about it but you. So don't sweat it. You can dress up and go out there and no one will ever know how you are at home or inside. Remember that. We all do it a little even when we are feeling good. You can fake it. If I remember correctly you have a supervisor which is a friend to you on the job? How much does he know about what is going on? On either account can he help you assiimilate back into the work environment again? It would not be easy for anyone going back so do not feel like you are alone or it is just your depression. Take it easy and slow. You will do fine. Your tough I can tell that.
>
> Glad to heaar therapy is going well. Perhaps since it is iminant work is something you can talk with your therapist about and maybe work through a little of what might be worrying you about it?
>
> Take care,
>
> irene
>
>Thanks Irene-
Yes, I do feel that I'll need to be re-assimilated back into my workplace and I'm hoping my supervisor will help. Plus I have been talking to my therapist about it. I have a lot of anger towards our Chief of Staff because of things she's done and said behind my back - but obviously I can't seek revenge because I'm not that type of person. So somehow I have to learn to dissipate the anger...and tolerate her passive-aggressive ways.....
Jerry
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