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Posted by JohnX2 on January 9, 2003, at 0:01:26
Anyone ever experience something called "thought insertions" ?Basically this is not hearing voices in your head, but rather feeling like thoughts are being injected involuntarily. It may feel (in a very spooky way) like you are speaking "telepathically" to some outside entity.
Posted by cygnusx1 on January 9, 2003, at 0:03:20
In reply to psychotic thought insertions, posted by JohnX2 on January 9, 2003, at 0:01:26
Yes I do. They are usually disturbing images of a sexual nature of me doing things I would never do. Kind of like being shown something I would never do.
Posted by HankW on January 9, 2003, at 3:54:24
In reply to psychotic thought insertions, posted by JohnX2 on January 9, 2003, at 0:01:26
> Anyone ever experience something called "thought insertions" ?This has been one of my primary symptoms during my psychotic breaks. There was some confusion in the first doctors who examined me who thought my "mental conversations" were auditory hallucinations consistent with other schizophrenic psychotic breaks, but I was always very clear that it was not something I heard but something that felt like telepathy.
While it is happening it seems quite plausible and explains many things. Since the symptom is not outwardly visible several times I went for a few days before my behavior was affected. It is only later looking back that I can examine my memories to find the time of onset.
During my last psychotic break I was able to "contain" the distorted thoughts; I still had them but I merely treated them as a subject of observation and not action.
Hank
Posted by justyourlaugh on January 9, 2003, at 8:23:02
In reply to thought insertions, posted by HankW on January 9, 2003, at 3:54:24
yes,
horrible flashes of me doing horrible things.
it makes me sick inside and terribly guilty.
jyl
Posted by HankW on January 9, 2003, at 11:30:39
In reply to Re: thought insertions, posted by justyourlaugh on January 9, 2003, at 8:23:02
Regarding the two other responses so far, my experience of thought insertions is generally not sexual or disturbing; while it is happening it often seems insightful. Nor is it image-based. It is simply a mental conversation, although sometimes the suggestions made seem quite forceful, which leads to arguments and resistance.
Hank
Posted by vagen on January 9, 2003, at 13:39:54
In reply to Re: thought insertions, posted by HankW on January 9, 2003, at 11:30:39
I have them too, in fact, thought I was a bit 'psychic' made me feel better than thinking I was psychotic!
:)
I have horrid, violent thoughts that just float in from nowhere and then at times, i do get those nasty sexual ones--I promptly start a mantra or think of something like butterflies. Whatever.I hate to even tell my pdoc about them. In fact, I finally spoke with my mother about them (I'm 32) and she burst into tears.
I meditate.
I pray.
I smoke.
Then they pass. Or, when I am having an ok day, I just observe them like I think Hank said.
Posted by JohnX2 on January 9, 2003, at 22:06:28
In reply to Re: thought insertions, posted by vagen on January 9, 2003, at 13:39:54
Thanks for the replies.My episodes indeed concur with a feeling of having a "mental conversation." It seems weird that I can think of questions in my head and then answers (replys) appear as though from an outside party! I too thought I may be psychic at 1st or something, I didn't think I was psychotic as I did not hear explicit voices, etc.
Anyone experience a somewhat involuntary suggestive movement of your body?
Thanks,
J> I have them too, in fact, thought I was a bit 'psychic' made me feel better than thinking I was psychotic!
> :)
> I have horrid, violent thoughts that just float in from nowhere and then at times, i do get those nasty sexual ones--I promptly start a mantra or think of something like butterflies. Whatever.
>
> I hate to even tell my pdoc about them. In fact, I finally spoke with my mother about them (I'm 32) and she burst into tears.
>
> I meditate.
> I pray.
> I smoke.
> Then they pass. Or, when I am having an ok day, I just observe them like I think Hank said.
>
Posted by bpdzone2000 on January 11, 2003, at 11:30:34
In reply to Re: thought insertions, posted by JohnX2 on January 9, 2003, at 22:06:28
I can relate to those thoughts and images. They consume me at times and it is very hard to break out of the thought.
I often have disturbing thoughts of being sexually abused or beat up or something of that nature and I fantasize about my therapist being there for me. It is kinda like something terrible happens to me and then I see myself going to the therapist and her being so worried about me. It frieghtens me to think that either I hold so much on my therapist or I'm just real crazy. It's very hard to talk to anyone about this because it is so shaming.
I hate to think of transference. To me it is a reliance/co dependence feeling.
I feel so hopless at times because I can't share this with anyone.
When I am struggling the most emotionally is when those thoughts enter and it is very hard to disengage... Those thoughts are soothing at times becasue the fantasy is what I really want to happen. The image of something terrible happening to me and me and my therapist getting closer and her helping me.
Some people I have read have fallin in love with there therapist. I do not have those feelings, but I do know the rescue feelings I do have. This really bothers me. I feel so alone with this. It is very disturbing and I do not know what to do with them.
I did mention something to my therapist in a round about way and it was embarrasing. I kind of shrugged it off, unfortunately they are still there and I'm afraid to talk more about it with her.
Anyone experience anything like this?
Posted by Kari on January 12, 2003, at 13:04:51
In reply to Re: thought insertions/transference?, posted by bpdzone2000 on January 11, 2003, at 11:30:34
Hi,
Can you please write to this address and leave an e-mail address I can reach you at? I would like to reply to your question off the board, if it's ok with you.
Thanks,
Kari.
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