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Posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 10:54:38
The last three times I ate turkey, I had the feeling I was coming down with the flu. Could it be an interation with the Celexa? Doesn't turkey contain tryptophan?
This is too weird.
Posted by linkadge on October 20, 2002, at 14:43:51
In reply to Celexa and Turkey: Interaction?, posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 10:54:38
Generally food sources do not contain enough
tryptophan to induce any type of seritonin
syndrome, but it is possible I suppose.
Flu like symptoms do not coincide with
seritonin syndrome, did you have any change
in mental status ?Linkadge
Posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 17:22:52
In reply to Re: Celexa and Turkey: Interaction?, posted by linkadge on October 20, 2002, at 14:43:51
No change in mental status.
Did have: headache, dizziness, nausea additional fatigue (beyond usual Celexa tiredness).
Posted by linkadge on October 20, 2002, at 19:10:26
In reply to Re: Celexa and Turkey: Interaction? » linkadge, posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 17:22:52
It may have been the beginnings of it.
I used 5-HTP (tryptophan precursor) with
Celexa a few times, and felt a little
strange, but was nowhere near the reaction
I had with St. John's Wort and Celexa.
It it wasn't that bad, don't wory about it,
and eat turkey with it in mind. If it occurs
often, then you might want to be cautious.Linkadge
Posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 21:33:53
In reply to Re: Celexa and Turkey: Interaction?, posted by linkadge on October 20, 2002, at 19:10:26
Posted by linkadge on October 21, 2002, at 12:50:00
In reply to What happened to you while taking STW and Celexa? (nm) » linkadge, posted by Roman on October 20, 2002, at 21:33:53
I was doing very well of Celexa alone,
and am not quite sure why I decided to
tyr SJW. About 7 pm I started to get
irritable. At about 9 I just slowly started
to freak out (I am not the freak out type)
I got so hot, I ran outside to cool down,
(Live in Canada), then I came in and was
freezing and cranked the temperature up.
This hot cold cycled about every 20 minautes,
Then what I thought was an axiety attack started
my heart beating at about 150 consistantly for
around 3 hours, (I actually sat there and measured). I was paranoid, and psychotic, I was screaming out to god for help. This continued in cycles. I'd feel better then lie down, then it would start again. It continued untill 4 oclock
in the morning. I thought It was a panic attack, so I popped another 2 SJW pills - I had no reason to suspect them as I had no reaction for about a week and a half. THen things just got freaking and I was considering going to the ER. Colors were intensily vivid and almost attacking me. They seemed to jump out and say I am blue or I am green. I had a persistant erection with absolulty no desire to have sex.You must understand, I had no signs of psychosis, at all. I have never used an illegal drug,
smoked, drank or anthing. I went on the internet immediatly and found similar reactions had existed. I discontinued immediatly and felt better within 3 days. I only later realized I could have died.Linkadge
I do not recomend combining it with anything.
I you are taking the combo be very careful.
Posted by wcfrench on October 22, 2002, at 5:11:21
In reply to Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 21, 2002, at 12:50:00
Hey Linkadge,
Don't know if you want to hear this, but that story was hilarious! Sounds like you took a trip to the other side. And who said illegal drugs are the only way to have fun.
Has anyone used SJW with an antidepressant and had an improved response? Is it dangerous with all antidepressants?
I recently took fish oil and vitamin B and felt worse, but I still seek anything that could help.
Take care,
Charlie
Posted by Phil on October 22, 2002, at 6:42:17
In reply to Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 21, 2002, at 12:50:00
I don't find your situation funny. I had tachycardia when starting Luvox a few years ago and had to call 911 and go to ER. There's nothing like a weak heartbeat racing along. I thought a heart attack was close. I could barely walk downstairs to unlock the door for what turned out to be 3 paramedics and two firemen. It was a zoo. Can't believe you didn't go to ER but I'm glad you made it.
Phil
Posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 11:09:24
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction » linkadge, posted by Phil on October 22, 2002, at 6:42:17
It was the scarriet thing I have ever
experienced, and I forgot to mention that
I was going to the bathroom with diarria
every 20 minautes for the whole night.
It was worse than the darkest hour of my
depression. Infact I was so releived after
I discontinued the SJW that I thought I
was permanatily cured of all mental illness.I take Folic acid + b12 with my
Celxa and this does give an improved
responce. Don't take a b complex as
certain b vitamins may easperate the situationLinkadge
Posted by Roman on October 22, 2002, at 11:17:46
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 11:09:24
>
> I take Folic acid + b12 with my
> Celxa and this does give an improved
> responce. Don't take a b complex as
> certain b vitamins may easperate the situation
>I was taking a B complex. Which Bs are problematic and why? I was under the impresssion they all were helpful.
Your SJW story is scary--I'll surely stay away from it. I was toying with the idea of taking a small amount of SAM-e with the Celexa, but I think I'll pass in light of your experience with SJW.
Posted by wcfrench on October 22, 2002, at 13:51:41
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 11:09:24
Linkadge,
Didn't mean to play down the seriousness of your situation. I am glad everything turned out OK and that you didn't have any more serious reactions. Have you ever tried fish oil or L-Thyrosine, or otherwise? If so, how did you respond? Thanks.
Take care,
Charlie
Posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 15:25:46
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction » linkadge, posted by wcfrench on October 22, 2002, at 13:51:41
No, I am doing very good right now,
and I will not change unless something
goes wrong.I take the following:
Celxa 10mg
Fish Oil - 4mg/day
Folic Acid + Vit B12
A few of the B vitamins like Choline Bitrate,
may not help depression. There have been studies
that show poor antidepressant responce is
directly linked to low folate leves. Those
who had the highest folate leves had the best
responce. I will try and find the link. I am not sure how they work but they really do. I was on 20 mg for the longest time, and could not lower it at all. After two weeks of the Folic Acid, I was able to easily lower it to 10 mg with only about a day of symptoms. It is cheap as anything
and it really does work. There usually is not enough in a multivitamin, and it's absorbtion is decreassed by other vitamins.I honestly recomend it. 2 weeks and you will tell
the difference.Linkadge
let me know if how it works out - if you do.
Posted by McPac on October 22, 2002, at 18:13:27
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 15:25:46
How much Folic Acid do you take a day?
How much B-12?
Also, re: folic acid, you said, "There usually is not enough in a multivitamin, and it's absorbtion is decreassed by other vitamins"I wonder if it is okay to take the other B-vitamins as long as you take the folic acid at a different time of day...so that the vitamins and folic acid aren't competing with each other???
Posted by linkadge on October 23, 2002, at 19:03:44
In reply to Linkadge Re: Folic Acid, posted by McPac on October 22, 2002, at 18:13:27
The study recomended 1 mg of Folic acid and
about 100 mcg of B12. Yes I do believe you
could take the vitamins separately to avoid
conflict.<-- all one line
This study concludes that folic acid greatly increased the effectivness of Prozac,
I have also experienced a great improvement since
adding the suplement - and in fact I started
it to lower homosysteien and never knew that
it had an effect on AD responce, so go figure:Linkadge
Let me know if it helps
Posted by McPac on October 23, 2002, at 23:26:44
In reply to Re: Linkadge Re: Folic Acid - Heres the Link, posted by linkadge on October 23, 2002, at 19:03:44
Link, thanks, but where did you get this from,"The study recomended 1 mg of Folic acid and
about 100 mcg of B12."???
Posted by wcfrench on October 23, 2002, at 23:48:37
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 22, 2002, at 15:25:46
You mean 4g of fish oil a day, not 4mg. Correct?
Also, have you ever tried or heard of L-Thyrosine?
Thanks,
Charlie
Posted by linkadge on October 24, 2002, at 11:11:39
In reply to Re: Linkadge Re: Folic Acid - Heres the Link, posted by McPac on October 23, 2002, at 23:26:44
This is just one of the studies
that are out there. This one
used 500 mcg of folic acid, but
I have seen others that used 1 mg.
Since folic acid is very safe, 1 mg
would do no harm, but feel free
to use this study's 500 mcg.Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on October 24, 2002, at 11:13:36
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction » linkadge, posted by wcfrench on October 23, 2002, at 23:48:37
Yes that's right 4 g of fish oil,
I have heard of L-tyrosine if that's
what you mean. It is a amino acid
precursor do dopamine and norepeniephrine.
Some people say it's effective and other
say it does not increase brain neurotransmiiters
much. I am not sure what to think.Linkadge
Posted by Roman on October 25, 2002, at 22:32:10
In reply to Re: Very Strange Reaction, posted by linkadge on October 24, 2002, at 11:13:36
I don't know if this is true, but it's something I read somewhere.
I'll try the folic acid supplimentation--I have 400 mg tablets. Also have some 1000 mcg sublingual methylcoblamin.
The study you mentioned seemed to support a significant improvement in the female participants, but made no mention of the males--I assume they didn't respond as well. Did I miss something when reading it?
Posted by linkadge on October 26, 2002, at 15:52:56
In reply to Too much folate masks B12 anemia?, posted by Roman on October 25, 2002, at 22:32:10
Yes it's possible that the males did not
respond as well, If I understand correctly
the study mentioned that a higher dose
may be required by males as they tend to
metabolize homosysteine differently
(not exaclty sure of the mechanizms)
It is possible for folate to mask the
symptoms of B12 deficiancy but thats another
reason that I have seen recomendations for
adding B12 just to be sure. I noticed
a difference after two weeks of 1mg folate,
I am a male.Be honest and objective, If it doesn't seem
to help after a little while, no harm done.Linkadge
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