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Posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
Hi,
Currently on 40mg of Prozac, i was fine and now I have crashed, can't stop crying, want to run away from myself. What do I do, only raised dose a couple of months ago. Can't bear the thought of waiting in doctors waiting room. I feel like I'm slipping away again and I'm scared that this iis it for me. What do i do ? Can this crash be caused by circumstances or is it just the medication not working. Please help me, I'm really afraid.
Thanks Jane
Posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 17:14:17
In reply to Crashed and frightened, posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
Is it because I changed to generic. I know they are the same, but my anxiety is sky high.
Jane
Posted by jay on May 4, 2002, at 17:28:39
In reply to Crashed and frightened, posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
> Hi,
>
> Currently on 40mg of Prozac, i was fine and now I have crashed, can't stop crying, want to run away from myself. What do I do, only raised dose a couple of months ago. Can't bear the thought of waiting in doctors waiting room. I feel like I'm slipping away again and I'm scared that this iis it for me. What do i do ? Can this crash be caused by circumstances or is it just the medication not working. Please help me, I'm really afraid.
>
> Thanks JaneJane, I am sooo sorry. I empathize with your deeply embeded pain, and I don't understand why doctors don't treat this like they do say a car accident wound or any other horrid pain.
Did your doctor give you any benzos? A good dose of those would likely *really* help right now. Atleast, until you can see your doctor again. Don't be afraid to go the ER either, as I have esp when I have a bad panic attack, and they give me a few days supply of a benzo until I see my doc.
If your treatment hasn't been working, and you may want to sit down and write out the good vs. the bad, then maybe it's time to insist to your doc that you need a *massive* change in your treatment. You don't deserve to just feel 'sorta' good, and I think many of us accept that as a reality too often. It's like say treating somebody for cancer, and only half-treating it, and telling them too bad, that's all that will be done.
If you can get yourself somewhere safe and comfortable , and possible to an ER, I think those are two vital goals right now.
Please keep posting...
Best wishes
Jay
Posted by Kagami on May 4, 2002, at 18:05:13
In reply to Crashed and frightened, posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
I want to let you know that I was taken off of Prozac months ago, as I had been experiencing a serious side effect. Instead of helping, the drug had seemingly done the opposite. I had started crying constantly for no reason and became suicidal. I spoke to my mother about it and found out that she had become the same way after treatment with Prozac. :\
I informed my psych and he took me off of it pretty fast. I became much, much better after that. I'm not saying that Prozac will do this to everyone (I don't even know the percentage of people who get morbidly depressed while taking it instead of the opposite), just something to think about.
And I agree. If you think you're in danger, please seek help in any positive form possible, and make sure to post again so we know you're okay. :)
Posted by Kat26 on May 4, 2002, at 23:01:35
In reply to Re: Crashed and frightened, posted by Kagami on May 4, 2002, at 18:05:13
I have read of other people, even though it seems to be a small minority, who have had a recurrence of symptoms afer switching to generic Prozac from brand-name. Could be coincidence, but maybe you could try getting your doc to help you get back on brand-name?
Kat26
Posted by pedr on May 5, 2002, at 3:22:47
In reply to Re: Crashed and frightened, posted by Kat26 on May 4, 2002, at 23:01:35
Yep, I've heard the same. The manufacturers claim they work within strict tolerances and so this shouldn't happen but it does. Insist you are put back on the old pills and see if this crash in mood levels out. If it does level out then all's good.
HTH & best wishes,
pete.
Posted by IsoM on May 5, 2002, at 12:06:10
In reply to Crashed and frightened, posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
Jane, we've talked in the past on these boards & when I saw your post, I felt very bad for you. All the other suggestions sound good & I'd definitely ask for some BZD to tide you through. Whenever my depression rears its ugly head, I've learned to fall back on a BZD. My doctor knows that I don't overdo it (I don't think they're that liable to abuse but he's nervous about them) & is willing to give them to me for such times.
Generic & brand name are *supposed* to be chemically the same but enough people have experienced differences that there must be something to it. And yes, a raised dose could be the reason for how you feel. It can act strangely on some people.
And lastly, our bodies can be very puzzling at times. Some of us seem much more sensitive to external & internal changes & our mind & body reacts to them. Some of the causes are obvious (e.g.- lost a job, bad flu & being run down) but some are subtle & not so easily traced. Try the other suggestions given first but it may be possible that something subtle is affecting you. Even so, the other suggestions probably will help too.
Let us know how things go with you, please - I feel involved with those here who go down.
Posted by Zo on May 5, 2002, at 16:39:10
In reply to Crashed and frightened, posted by janejj on May 4, 2002, at 16:41:50
Hi Jane!
Hope it's gotten a bit easier by now. Yes, you should have some benzos to short-circuit crashes .. .
Two thoughts: You know that Prozac actually stimulates suicidal thoughts in a small but definite number of people?
And, you would happen by any chance to be BPII, would you?
One whose lifetime *was* crashes,
Zo
Posted by janejj on May 6, 2002, at 15:49:16
In reply to Re: Crashed and frightened » janejj, posted by IsoM on May 5, 2002, at 12:06:10
Hi,
I just wanted to let you guys know that I feel OK now. I've just got a job and everything seems to have fallen into sync! My head feels a bit fuzzy, but I don't feel suicidal and depressed now. I guess I just had a major mood swing and it freaked me out.
Thanks for caring,
Janejj
Posted by IsoM on May 6, 2002, at 15:55:20
In reply to Update, posted by janejj on May 6, 2002, at 15:49:16
It does seem to come & go, doesn't it? Some called it a swing, I think of a yo-yo. Trouble is when one is feeling at the low end, it feels like it's going to be permanent & never improve, doesn't it? Even after years of this (& really knowing what to expect), I'm always convinced that I'll never feel better again. It's that powerful a feeling. I'm not sure I'd want to hang on if it never did get better.
Posted by Chloe on May 6, 2002, at 19:13:58
In reply to Re: Update » janejj, posted by IsoM on May 6, 2002, at 15:55:20
> It does seem to come & go, doesn't it? Some called it a swing, I think of a yo-yo. Trouble is when one is feeling at the low end, it feels like it's going to be permanent & never improve, doesn't it? Even after years of this (& really knowing what to expect), I'm always convinced that I'll never feel better again. It's that powerful a feeling. I'm not sure I'd want to hang on if it never did get better.
IsoM,
Your post really hit a chord with me. When I crash (or fly) I feel it's permanent. I start planning to never go to the supermaket again, or do any chores because I feel nothing matters. And I am sure my mood will never pop up again.
Well, in a day, a week or maybe longer, it ALWAYS does come back up. And I feel so angry for cutting myself off from life and support. Sometimes I even feel "stupid" or "retarded" that I just can't learn that my moods are not permanent. Maybe some day I will get it. But so far, I still am convinced that my current mood is the only mood, forever and ever...In a way, I wish! Then I could plan something. With an unstable mood, planning an event or vacation or an interview is a gamble.Anyway...Thanks IsoM. I really enjoy reading all your posts. You seem very knowledgeable about supplements, etc. An area I am exploring with enthusiasm.
I read on PSB that you like to garden...I wonder if things are starting to blossom up there. It's wonderful here. My perennials are back! And the weeds are coming fast too!
Chloe
Posted by janejj on May 6, 2002, at 21:54:13
In reply to Re: Update » janejj, posted by IsoM on May 6, 2002, at 15:55:20
Hello IsoM,
I can relate completely. When I feel down I feel like it'll never end, or even if I am happy for a day that the agony will always surface again and then I feel as though its really not worth living.
I look back on the diary that I have kept since I was 12 years old and realise that most the time I was depressed, except I didn't know what it was back then and I can see the pattern that you are describing. I generally thought I was incapable of having fun and I had this bad feeling in my stomach and fog in my head for days,I thought it would never end, I was convinced. Then a week later I'd feel happier and I'd wonder what all the fuss was about.
You'd think we'd learn that it can end, but when you're there in the depths of all that pain it just feels like a bottomless pit.
Hope that you are feeling in good spirits at the moment .
Do you live in Canada ?
Take care,
janejj
> It does seem to come & go, doesn't it? Some called it a swing, I think of a yo-yo. Trouble is when one is feeling at the low end, it feels like it's going to be permanent & never improve, doesn't it? Even after years of this (& really knowing what to expect), I'm always convinced that I'll never feel better again. It's that powerful a feeling. I'm not sure I'd want to hang on if it never did get better.
Posted by IsoM on May 6, 2002, at 22:59:03
In reply to Re: Update » IsoM, posted by janejj on May 6, 2002, at 21:54:13
The silly thing, Jane, is I'm equally convinced that it'll last forever when I'm up too. I'm so 'glad' that I've finally got all my problems solved - silly me. I mean, logically, I know better, but when your mood controls you, it does a really good job of it.
For years, I just thought I was a very unstable person as so many seemed very level, day to day, year to year. Now I know that this is part of my make-up & accept it. I prefer to think of it as the tide that goes in & out, dragging flotsam back & forth but the sea never goes away, & I won't either. I've gotten used to it now & deep down, know what to expect.
Posted by IsoM on May 7, 2002, at 23:26:26
In reply to Re: Moods » IsoM, posted by Chloe on May 6, 2002, at 19:13:58
Going to redirect your question & my answer about gardening & other things to PB Social so Dr. Bob doesn't have to...
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 8, 2002, at 0:26:53
In reply to Re: Moods » Chloe, posted by IsoM on May 7, 2002, at 23:26:26
> Going to redirect your question & my answer about gardening & other things to PB Social:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020430/msgs/23288.html
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