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Posted by Jake on July 27, 1999, at 11:48:20
I've been using MA for the past 10 years in its street forms. It's hard not to get carried away with using it in this form so I end up having to quit from time to time to keep from getting too far out of control.
I want to try doing Desoxyn as prescribed for ADD to see if I can achieve the balance that I truely need.
Posted by saintjames on July 28, 1999, at 22:49:52
In reply to Desoxyn for the methamphetamine 'addict', posted by Jake on July 27, 1999, at 11:48:20
> I've been using MA for the past 10 years in its street forms. It's hard not to get carried away with using it in this form so I end up having to quit from time to time to keep from getting too far out of control.
> I want to try doing Desoxyn as prescribed for ADD to see if I can achieve the balance that I truely need.
James here.....It is not uncommon that ADD'ers self medicate. I have a client who has narcolepsy (documented w/ sleep studies) who did meth for years b4 he realized he could go to doc's to get his meds instead of the street. Some doc's will use stims
in people who have abused them or used street drugs. If you are just looking for a legal high....forget it. A doc is going to test you like crazy to prove you have ADD and you will not be able to fake having ADD. You will probably have to go thru detox and drug treatment program
and prove thru drug tests that you are off meth.
Ritalin, Dexadrine, and ADdderal are the meds used for ADD, Desoxyn is not generally perscribed, esp for recovering meth addicts. Most doc's give very limited supplys of stims to someone with a history of abuse. ( like a few days, and from time to time you might be asked to come in in the middle of a script and account for unused pills) If you really do have ADD you will do much better on legal meds than street drugs. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from time to time on ADD lists we get addicts who pose as people w./ ADD trying to bone up on how to act ADD to fool doc's. Giving stims to ADD;ers is still a hot topic and the last thing we need (I have ADD and need stims to function) is the press to get hold of an addict who fooled someone.james
Posted by Drexxie on July 27, 2001, at 18:38:15
In reply to Desoxyn for the methamphetamine 'addict', posted by Jake on July 27, 1999, at 11:48:20
Regarding Desoxyn:
After having taken the following prescription medications for severe ADHD: Adderall, Dexedrine, Cylert, Wellbutrin, Ritilan, and numerous combination therein, I am having drug "lapses" on my current daily doses of 30mg. Dexedrine Spansules, 450mgs Wellbutrin and 60mg. Adderall.
These lapses last from 2-14 days and began approximately 9 months ago. I've been on the Dex, Well, and Add., combo for almost 3 years now without any problems. During these episodes, I'm much as I was prior to receiving treatment for my ADHD. These lapses are truly interferring with my life, missing appointments, disappointing friends, no longer reliable, et al.
A friend of mine who is an MD, recommended that I discuss switching to Desoxyn in regards to ADHD treatment. I do see psychiatrist in regards to treatment, but would like more information prior to mentioning any such "switch" to my doctor.
I realize that the meds I'm currently taking have some serious side effects, and am worried that switching to desoxyn would only entail my having to encounter even more serious of side effects.
Any, any, advice would be most appreciated.
Posted by jojo on July 27, 2001, at 19:35:20
In reply to 30Dexedrine/60Adderall/450Wellbutrin to Desoxyn???, posted by Drexxie on July 27, 2001, at 18:53:32
> Regarding Desoxyn:
>
> After having taken the following prescription medications for severe ADHD: Adderall, Dexedrine, Cylert, Wellbutrin, Ritilan, and numerous combination therein, I am having drug "lapses" on my current daily doses of 30mg. Dexedrine Spansules, 450mgs Wellbutrin and 60mg. Adderall.
>
> These lapses last from 2-14 days and began approximately 9 months ago. I've been on the Dex, Well, and Add., combo for almost 3 years now without any problems. During these episodes, I'm much as I was prior to receiving treatment for my ADHD. These lapses are truly interferring with my life, missing appointments, disappointing friends, no longer reliable, et al.
>
> A friend of mine who is an MD, recommended that I discuss switching to Desoxyn in regards to ADHD treatment. I do see psychiatrist in regards to treatment, but would like more information prior to mentioning any such "switch" to my doctor.
>
> I realize that the meds I'm currently taking have some serious side effects, and am worried that switching to desoxyn would only entail my having to encounter even more serious of side effects.
>
> Any, any, advice would be most appreciated.I have taken 400 mg. of Wellbutrin with 35 mg. of Ritalin, OR 30 mg. of Adderall, OR 30
mg. of Desoxyn, OR 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets. Both the Adderall and the Dex.
spansules are slow release. You could try about 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets, which
are "immediate release", prn. Or you might find a therapeutic effect of 5.4 mg.
yohimbine, tid, in place of the other stimulants, but along with the Wellbutrin, or
possibly decreasing the Wellbutrin. It may take you several days to build up to the
5.4 mg. of yohimbine tid (due to shakeyness or insomnia). You might want to do 2.7
mg tid. That might be a good time to decrease the Wellbutrin, as you build up to the
full yohimbine dose. Watch your blood pressure.
jojo
Posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 22:26:36
In reply to 60Adderall 450Wellbutrin 30Dexedrine to Desoxyn?? , posted by Drexxie on July 27, 2001, at 18:41:35
I'm wondering, as a long-time stimulant responder, what the "serious side effects" are that you mentioned. I'm not aware of any, subjectively or in the literature.
As for Desoxyn, my pdoc (I'm in Calif.) declined to prescribing it, saying that would be tantamount to inviting the FDA to go through his files.
Zo
Posted by kazoo on July 28, 2001, at 0:55:00
In reply to Re: 60Adderall 450Wellbutrin 30Dexedrine to Desoxy » Drexxie, posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 22:26:36
Zo: do you know if BIPHETAMINE is still prescribed?
Desoxyn, by the way, goes for 10 bucks a pop (15mg "Gradumet") on the streets of Manhattan.
It's easier to get heroin than this drug (third party information/observation, not my own ... I know absolutely nothing about anything and, quite possibly, everything).
(a gleeful) kazoo (applying standard disclaimer)
Posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 1:38:19
In reply to Re: 60Adderall 450Wellbutrin 30Dexedrine to Desoxy » Drexxie, posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 22:26:36
Thanks Zo, for the response.
In reply, some serious side effects of stimulants, of which I've been made aware are:
heart palpitations, tachycardia, elevation of blood pressure, rapid heart beat (problems associated with the
valves of the heart), psychotic episodes, overstimulation, dizziness, insomnia, dyskinesia, dysphoria, tremor, headache,
uncontrollable twitching and jerking, exacerbation of motor and phonic tics and Tourette's syndrome, diarrhea, constipation, gastrointestinal disturbances, Anorexia or weight loss may occur as undesirable effects when
amphetamines are used for other than the anorectic effect, irritability, personability changes, schizophrenia-like thoughts and behavior, severe insomnia, severe skin disease, in children may stunt growth, may cause premature births or babies
with low birth weight, rapid breathing, Urticaria- allergies, impotence, changes in libido, drug addiction/dependence/addiction, severe skin disease, tolerance, extreme psychological dependence, and severe social disability have occurred.
abnormally fast heartbeat, joint pain, reddish or purplish skin spots, skin reddening, skin inglammation with peeling, skin rash, sever weight lossWhen trying to withdraw from many psychiatric drugs, patients can develop serious and even life-threatening emotional
and physical reactions. In short, it is dangerous not only to start taking psychiatric drugs but also can be hazardous to
stop taking them. Therefore, withdrawal from psychiatric drugs should be done under clinical supervision. Principles of
drug withdrawal are discussed in Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric
Medications, by Peter R. Breggin, M.D. and David Cohen, Ph.D.Supposedly the drugs affects on the heart contribute to the reason(s) why stimulants are not recommended for those with a history of cardiovascular disease,
hardening of the arteries, high blood pressure, et. al.Please note, the above information is credited to the following sources:
The "PHYSICIAN'S DESK REFERENCE®" (Medical Economics), "The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs" (St. Martin's Press), "What you need to know about psychiatric drugs" (Stuart Yudofsky, M.D.),
Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology 4628 Chestnut Street, Bethesda, Maryland 20814,
Breggin, P. and Cohen, D. (1999). Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Perseus Books.
Cherland, E. and Fitzpatrick, R. (1999, October). Psychotic side effects of
Psychostimulants: A 5-year review. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 44, 811-813.
Vol. 2, Issue 3, Ethical Human Sciences and Services
Confirming the Hazards of Stimulant Drug Treatment
By Peter R. Breggin, M.D. Director International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology, Bethesda,
Maryland et al
**Dr. Bob has additional information on stimulants (specific), AD(H)D meds., side effects on his page:
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pt/search.pl
I realize that this is a ton of information. Nevertheless, as one who has been on stimulants for the better part of my life, I
find it worthy of a read. Doctors and pharmacists have frightened me beyond tears when it comes to the "side efforts" of the stimulants which I take, therefore
I've found it liberating to research some info myself. In doing so, I've been able to decide if the side effects of these drugs I'm on are to me, "worth it." I've found it to be an on going process.
Note: Please don't take any nor all of the above listed information as fact or even partially true fo that matter. I've done my best to represent the truth as I have found it to this email.... Nevertheless,
in regards to mental health, I'm a patient, not provider/professional.
Posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 2:06:48
In reply to About the big D » Zo, posted by kazoo on July 28, 2001, at 0:55:00
> Zo: do you know if BIPHETAMINE is still prescribed?
>
> Desoxyn, by the way, goes for 10 bucks a pop (15mg "Gradumet") on the streets of Manhattan.
>
> It's easier to get heroin than this drug (third party information/observation, not my own ... I know absolutely nothing about anything and, quite possibly, everything).
>
> (a gleeful) kazoo (applying standard disclaimer)
Thanks Kazoo for the info. I know what you mean about the prices of Rx's and their street values.
Approximately 3-5 weeks ago, the Houston Chronicle ran an article pertaining solely to such a topic.
It listed the average street value and listed the most sought after drugs (per the 'street').
It was an interesting, albeit 'an eye opening/spooky' kind of 'read'I found the following info on the 'big D' (no longer Dallas, eh? [grin])
Methamphetamine for ADHD
Please apply any and all applicable disclaimers,
Drexxie
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:44:07 -0500
From: talmadge@onramp.net (John M. Talmadge, M.D.)
Subject: Methamphetamine for ADHDAttention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in Adults (Wender):
The amphetamines and methyphenidate appear to be equally effective... The most useful
amphetamines are d-amphetamine and methamphetamine... Known as "meth crystals,"
methamphetamine achieved notoriety during the 1960s in the Haight-Ashbury district of
San Francisco as the preferred amphetamine for "highs."Dr. Kuttner was correct in saying that Wender offers only these general comments (pp 166-168) in a
300 page text.Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder: A Handbook for Diagnosis and Treatment (Barkley):
Much discussion of medication, but no mention of methamphetamine in this 750 page magnum opus
by one of the leaders in the field, a Ph.D. professor of psychiatry and neurology.Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:33:39 -0700
From: "C. Donald Williams" < cdonald@WOLFE.net >
Subject: Methamphetamine for ADHDPaul Wender authored an editorial in the Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychopharmacology (I believe
spring, 1994), "Methamphetamine and Child Psychiatry". My recollection is that he traced the development
of prejudice against methamphetamine (and for methylphenidate) and then offered the opinion that there
was little rational basis for such a preference.He incorrectly stated that Desoxyn has a price advantage; in fact, it is approximately 3 times as expensive
as Dexedrine. One advantage of the Desoxyn formulation ("Gradumets") is that the medication is apparently
embedded in a resin vehicle out of which it is leached gradually.Following very extensive prepartory consultation with the Board of Pharmacy in my state, I began (as a child
psychiatrist) to use Desoxyn in ADHD patients, both adult and child. Out of an N of 20, 14 who did less well
on other agents did quite well on Desoxyn. They have all commented about the lack of rebound phenomena
and longer duration of action. For whatever reason, another common observation is that they experience
less irritability and dysphoria with Desoxyn. Effective dosages, in mg, appear to be about 10-20% >
Dexedrine. In other words, if a Dexedrine 20 mg Spansule is effective, a Desoxyn 25 mg Gradumet will be
required. I have also had to supplement the am dosage with a Dexedrine 5 mg Tablet in some extreme
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Posted by Zo on July 28, 2001, at 2:26:49
In reply to The Psycho Babbling Drexxie (giggle) » Zo, posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 1:38:19
Peter Breggin's work is a worthless pile of horse puckey.
:) Zo
Posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 2:34:01
In reply to Re: 30Dexedrine/60Adderall/450Wellbutrin to Desoxyn???, posted by jojo on July 27, 2001, at 19:35:20
> > Regarding Desoxyn:
> >
> > After having taken the following prescription medications for severe ADHD: Adderall, Dexedrine, Cylert, Wellbutrin, Ritilan, and numerous combination therein, I am having drug "lapses" on my current daily doses of 30mg. Dexedrine Spansules, 450mgs Wellbutrin and 60mg. Adderall.
> >
> > These lapses last from 2-14 days and began approximately 9 months ago. I've been on the Dex, Well, and Add., combo for almost 3 years now without any problems. During these episodes, I'm much as I was prior to receiving treatment for my ADHD. These lapses are truly interferring with my life, missing appointments, disappointing friends, no longer reliable, et al.
> >
> > A friend of mine who is an MD, recommended that I discuss switching to Desoxyn in regards to ADHD treatment. I do see psychiatrist in regards to treatment, but would like more information prior to mentioning any such "switch" to my doctor.
> >
> > I realize that the meds I'm currently taking have some serious side effects, and am worried that switching to desoxyn would only entail my having to encounter even more serious of side effects.
> >
> > Any, any, advice would be most appreciated.
>
> I have taken 400 mg. of Wellbutrin with 35 mg. of Ritalin, OR 30 mg. of Adderall, OR 30
> mg. of Desoxyn, OR 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets. Both the Adderall and the Dex.
> spansules are slow release. You could try about 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets, which
> are "immediate release", prn. Or you might find a therapeutic effect of 5.4 mg.
> yohimbine, tid, in place of the other stimulants, but along with the Wellbutrin, or
> possibly decreasing the Wellbutrin. It may take you several days to build up to the
> 5.4 mg. of yohimbine tid (due to shakeyness or insomnia). You might want to do 2.7
> mg tid. That might be a good time to decrease the Wellbutrin, as you build up to the
> full yohimbine dose. Watch your blood pressure.
> jojo
Thanks JoJo! (smile)I plan on mentioning the yohimbine and your advice to my psychiatrist next week.
It just seems that my current stimulants aren't preforming up to standard... I suspect tolerance. Ugh!Regarding Desoxyn, how did it work for you? Were there a variety of new side effects with it as opposed to other stimulants (ie Dexedrine, Addreall?)
I know that my current meds. are needing some serious help, but am very nervous over thoughts of having to switch to another drug, especially if it's one with
even more side effects.My doctor has added and added and added to my meds.
Dexedrine at 30, Addreall at 60, Celexa at 60, Wellbutrin at 450, Levoxly at .6 (keeping me hyperthyroid for the stimulate effect)
and now it seems to be falling short.
If desoxyl would provide the ADHD relief, I'd be able to ditch some of the other stimulates, hopefully.
If it's just like dexedrine/addreall/ritilan/cylert.... then....
jeez... no telling what I'll be having to take next (sigh)
Posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 2:54:59
In reply to Re: The Psycho Babbling Drexxie (giggle) » drexxie, posted by Zo on July 28, 2001, at 2:26:49
> Peter Breggin's work is a worthless pile of horse puckey.
>
> :) Zo
Ahh... Zo! (lol)Your Breggin comment is a classic! (still laughing)
I couldn't help but to notice that the ole chap did, at times, come across as a bit of an "far sider."
Nevertheless, I kept thinking it was just my mind skewing perspective, as it tends to do when
not liking to confront that which might be not-so-pleasant to hear/read.Although, the other sources might prove more 'reliable,' (at this hour I'll be the last to vouch
for anything veracity! [hee hee])I say Kudos to you Zo,
for calling Horse Pooh what it is!
(can't stop laughing and now I'm imagining I've yet another
psychosis as listed in the DSM-IV (joking of course!)Thanks for the laughs, (did I need them!! [big smile])
-Drexxie
Posted by jojo on July 28, 2001, at 11:01:28
In reply to Is Desoxyl any better. or worse... in ur opinion? » jojo, posted by drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 2:34:01
> > > Regarding Desoxyn:
> > >
> > > After having taken the following prescription medications for severe ADHD: Adderall, Dexedrine, Cylert, Wellbutrin, Ritilan, and numerous combination therein, I am having drug "lapses" on my current daily doses of 30mg. Dexedrine Spansules, 450mgs Wellbutrin and 60mg. Adderall.
> > >
> > > These lapses last from 2-14 days and began approximately 9 months ago. I've been on the Dex, Well, and Add., combo for almost 3 years now without any problems. During these episodes, I'm much as I was prior to receiving treatment for my ADHD. These lapses are truly interferring with my life, missing appointments, disappointing friends, no longer reliable, et al.
> > >
> > > A friend of mine who is an MD, recommended that I discuss switching to Desoxyn in regards to ADHD treatment. I do see psychiatrist in regards to treatment, but would like more information prior to mentioning any such "switch" to my doctor.
> > >
> > > I realize that the meds I'm currently taking have some serious side effects, and am worried that switching to desoxyn would only entail my having to encounter even more serious of side effects.
> > >
> > > Any, any, advice would be most appreciated.
> >
> > I have taken 400 mg. of Wellbutrin with 35 mg. of Ritalin, OR 30 mg. of Adderall, OR 30
> > mg. of Desoxyn, OR 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets. Both the Adderall and the Dex.
> > spansules are slow release. You could try about 35 mg. of Dexedrine tablets, which
> > are "immediate release", prn. Or you might find a therapeutic effect of 5.4 mg.
> > yohimbine, tid, in place of the other stimulants, but along with the Wellbutrin, or
> > possibly decreasing the Wellbutrin. It may take you several days to build up to the
> > 5.4 mg. of yohimbine tid (due to shakeyness or insomnia). You might want to do 2.7
> > mg tid. That might be a good time to decrease the Wellbutrin, as you build up to the
> > full yohimbine dose. Watch your blood pressure.
> > jojo
>
>
> Thanks JoJo! (smile)
>
> I plan on mentioning the yohimbine and your advice to my psychiatrist next week.
> It just seems that my current stimulants aren't preforming up to standard... I suspect tolerance. Ugh!
>
> Regarding Desoxyn, how did it work for you? Were there a variety of new side effects with it as opposed to other stimulants (ie Dexedrine, Addreall?)
> I know that my current meds. are needing some serious help, but am very nervous over thoughts of having to switch to another drug, especially if it's one with
> even more side effects.
>
> My doctor has added and added and added to my meds.
> Dexedrine at 30, Addreall at 60, Celexa at 60, Wellbutrin at 450, Levoxly at .6 (keeping me hyperthyroid for the stimulate effect)
> and now it seems to be falling short.
> If desoxyl would provide the ADHD relief, I'd be able to ditch some of the other stimulates, hopefully.
> If it's just like dexedrine/addreall/ritilan/cylert.... then....
> jeez... no telling what I'll be having to take next (sigh)The Desoxyn did not seem much different than Adderall, from which I was switching,
except that it worked for a while, whereas Adderall had seemed to have lost its
effect. I was having trouble with insomnia, so switched to Dexedrine TABLETS, which
wear off faster than the Dex. spansules or the Desoxyn.
No additional side effects from Desoxyn, but Yohimbine did make me shaky for the
first few days, especially on an empty stomach. If I take Dexedrine and Yohimbine, it
sends my BP north about 20 mm, both systolic and diastolic.
Either with or without the Levoxly at .6, did you find that the combination of Celexa
and a stimulant limited your appetite? I have found this to be true for close to 10
years, with no loss of the anorectic effect.
I am now trying Buprenorphine in place of the Celexa.
jojo
Posted by Drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 17:22:14
In reply to Re: Is Desoxyl any better. or worse... in ur opinion?, posted by jojo on July 28, 2001, at 11:01:28
I truly appreciate that information JoJo! (thankful smile)
I'm going to chat with my doctor Tuesday; I've got to try something else because my stimulants are no longer functioning up to par.
Sheesh! It's absolute Hell when my ADHD is free to run rampant throught my mind sans the chains of the proper medications. I hadn't previously realized it, but I'm afraid; afraid that there'll be nothing which can help me, now that the Adderall/Dexedrine/Wellbutrin trio is apparently no longer able to carry my psychiatric weight (frown).
Hmmm... It's interesting that I was unable to identify my feeling and recognize my fear in regards to this situation, until this moment (small smile). Ahh... Now I understand the reason my pdoc keeps reminding me to journal (hee hee).
Oh yeah... Before I do completely "brain dead," I'm sad to say that I've never experienced any anorexic side effects from any of the drugs which I've either taken, or now take (SIGH). I don't think medical technology has advance far enough to discover the compound of chemicals which could stop (or even dissuade) me from food! (hee hee)
Wow! I had no idea that such a combo could even have such an affect. Jeez... Thanks for the enlightment, seriously... I appreciate any and all info and insight that anyone is willing to share with me. As the maxim goes, "Knowledge is power" and as I'm dealing with my physical and mental well being, this is one area in which I'm always ready to learn! (smile)
Happy Saturday!
Drexxie
Posted by jojo on July 31, 2001, at 0:04:18
In reply to Muchas Gracias, JoJo! (huge smile).... » jojo, posted by Drexxie on July 28, 2001, at 17:22:14
> I truly appreciate that information JoJo! (thankful smile)
>
> I'm going to chat with my doctor Tuesday; I've got to try something else because my stimulants are no longer functioning up to par.
>
> Sheesh! It's absolute Hell when my ADHD is free to run rampant throught my mind sans the chains of the proper medications. I hadn't previously realized it, but I'm afraid; afraid that there'll be nothing which can help me, now that the Adderall/Dexedrine/Wellbutrin trio is apparently no longer able to carry my psychiatric weight (frown).
>
> Hmmm... It's interesting that I was unable to identify my feeling and recognize my fear in regards to this situation, until this moment (small smile). Ahh... Now I understand the reason my pdoc keeps reminding me to journal (hee hee).
>
> Oh yeah... Before I do completely "brain dead," I'm sad to say that I've never experienced any anorexic side effects from any of the drugs which I've either taken, or now take (SIGH). I don't think medical technology has advance far enough to discover the compound of chemicals which could stop (or even dissuade) me from food! (hee hee)
>
> Wow! I had no idea that such a combo could even have such an affect. Jeez... Thanks for the enlightment, seriously... I appreciate any and all info and insight that anyone is willing to share with me. As the maxim goes, "Knowledge is power" and as I'm dealing with my physical and mental well being, this is one area in which I'm always ready to learn! (smile)
>
> Happy Saturday!
> DrexxieHey, Drex.
First of all, I want the record to show that IMHO, you have recently passed that point
that either Elizabeth or Else referred to when they asked "How go is good enough?" (I
THINK that was the subject under discussion). Dr. Bob, This DOES have to do with
Medication Issues!I don't know if you can find the reference (actually, with the energy that your
projecting right now, you could probably find anything), but it was broadcast on All
Things Considered on NPR, possibly 2-4 years ago, maybe around 5:30 PM, EDT,
around Tuesday, December 29, 1999, but that's a guess. With my memory and your
energy, I'm sure it can be located, either through their (NPR) Archives, a Journal
search, or having the luck to talk to the right person-that's always the easiest. Or we
could ask my sister, to whom I was relating my experience, when we heard it on the
news. She might be able to narrow it down further! Of course this raises THE
CONSPIRACY THEORY, or why we haven't heard it spoken of since then. I want
nothing to do with conspiracy theories."Sheesh! It's absolute Hell when my ADHD is free to run rampant throught my
mind sans the chains of the proper medications. I hadn't previously realized
it, but I'm afraid; afraid that there'll be nothing which can help me, now that
the Adderall/Dexedrine/Wellbutrin trio is apparently no longer able to carry
my psychiatric weight (frown).Hmmm... It's interesting that I was unable to identify my feeling and
recognize my fear in regards to this situation, until this moment"..."I think most of us live in terror that our meds will stop having an acceptable effect.
I also may have reason to have a big grin on my face. It has something to do with
possibly getting over the negative sexual effects of Celexa. I may give a more
detailed report when I am more certain of the results ; >)jojo
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