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Posted by Pacha on June 7, 2001, at 7:08:42
In reply to Re: HAS ANYONE TRIED TIANEPTINE??, posted by mocdoc on June 6, 2001, at 16:40:19
Hi,
I've been taking Tianeptine for 8 months. At first it works really well, but kinda poops out/ stops working. The only reason i've been taking it for so long was because i ordered far far too amny after reading extremely promising reports.
It doesn't take away my anixety. But let me tell you this ! Its a wonder drug when it comes to asthma. I havent used my inhalers once in 8 months, which would have been impossible otherwise (needed to take a least every day).
I ordered from www.india-chemist.com, has very few side effects, except a head ake if you take too much. I'm not sure if i'd reccommmend it though.
Posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 16:20:40
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc?, posted by mocdoc on June 6, 2001, at 21:10:33
Hi Mocdoc,
Just thought I'd put in my two-cents worth. I am on a very high dose of Neurontin (4000 mg. per day achieved slowly over a period of ten days). It worked miracles for me and took away the insomnia I battled for 15 years (and which was exacerbated by all SSRI's). I only had a few minor side effects during the first two weeks and they went away. I have been on that dosage for more than two years. It is a very safe medication, but has to be taken three to four times per day because it is quickly excreted by the body. Also, my pdoc told me if I take Neurontin, it is *very* important to *not* take any supplements containing Magnesium. Magnesium blocks the receptors in the brain for Neurontin .
My medical doctor just put me on Actos as part of a protocol to lower my high cholesterol and it took away my anxiety -- an amazing, unexpected result! I did not even know I had anxiety (part of "faking it") until it went away! Has anyone else had experience with Actos? (I am not overweight, nor am I diabetic, the usual reasons for prescribing it.)
> Dear Jodi,
> I have rapidly cycling Bipolar II as well as OCD. The old tricyclics and the newer SSRIs particularly (and paradoxically) make my OCD worse,as well as causing anxiety.None have helped my depression which often clears when not on antidepressants.I also have light and colour sensitivity, and smell and occasionally taste hallucinations, i.e. I smell and taste things that just aren't there. These latter symptoms may represent some temporal lobe brain dysfunction. My doctor is now trying gradually increasing doses of the antiepileptic Neurontin added to a low dose of clonezepam which I have been taking for two years. Its too early to know for sure but it seems to have helped the light sensitivity. High doses of Neurontin occasionally help OCD so I'm hopeful. Other antiepileptics like Lamictal, Depacote and Tegretol have been of no help. Nor has lithium. I have had no experience with tianeptine but perhaps I'll try it if the present plan fails.
> Don't give up-there's lots of drugs out there to try as well as cognitive therapy, prayer, Yoga, meditation, etc., etc.
> Be well. And If you can't -fake it- and soon the fakery will become your new reality! That's what my cognitive therapist taught me.
> mocdoc
Posted by mocdoc on June 7, 2001, at 17:14:18
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc? » mocdoc, posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 16:20:40
Dear Miragee,
Thanks for the tip about Magnesium a no-no with Neurontin. By the way, what is the condition you're taking it for-surely not simple insomnia!
Be well,
mocdoc
Posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 17:46:59
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc? » Miragee, posted by mocdoc on June 7, 2001, at 17:14:18
Well - - - Do you want the long story or the short story?
The semi-short answer is that I was diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivty in 1990. In 1998, I finally found a PDoc who understood this malady. In research with many MCS patients at a clinic in Dallas, Texas, he had discovered that Neurontin, in high dosages (from 3200 mg. per day up to 6000 mg.) gave relief. I was one of the lucky ones who responded well and my chemical sensitivity abated almost immediately. I started taking Nerontin in November 1998.
However . . . I was still very sick and dependent on penicillin to control excruiciating mental symptoms. (This effect of the penicillin was discovered "by accident" when I had to take it for a dental problem).
For more than two years, I tried to get someone to diagnose why I needed the penicillin. (And I tried to get someone to prescribe it -- you would have thought I was asking for powdered Oxycontin -- no one would prescribe that common antibiotic!)
I finally found a "Lyme Literate" doctor who diagnosed me with Lyme Disease. I have the type that affects the Central Nervous System. In other words, it is in my brain.
Now that I am on the antibiotics that work for me to treat chronic Lyme Disease (Penicillin and Flagyl and Bactrim), I have my life back.
I have met others who have Lyme Disease, who also suffer from the chemical sensitivity. There might be some relationship between the two conditions. The Lyme "bugs" mess with your immune system something terrible if the disease is not discovered *immediately*. I do not know when I got Lyme Disease. I could have gotten it when I was a child or . . .
So, I take my thirty plus pills six times a day and feel better than I have in twenty years!
> Dear Miragee,
> Thanks for the tip about Magnesium a no-no with Neurontin. By the way, what is the condition you're taking it for-surely not simple insomnia!
> Be well,
> mocdoc
Posted by mocdoc on June 7, 2001, at 17:53:18
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc? » mocdoc, posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 17:46:59
Dear Miragee-Wow-you've had a tough time, glad to hear that things are better.
Stay well,
mocdoc
Posted by jodsteroo on June 7, 2001, at 20:00:15
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc?, posted by mocdoc on June 6, 2001, at 21:10:33
mocdoc- thanks for the encouragement...sounds like you have something similar to what i have...i too have rapid cycling and some soft bipolar symptomes...along with bouts of ocd/anxiety...when im really freaked out...oddly enough, neurontin has been the only med i can tolerate that gives me some relief...i dont really know what its doing exactly but it takes the edge off somewhat...anyway...if you come across anything that helps you...let me know!!!thanks...jodi!
Posted by jodsteroo on June 7, 2001, at 20:03:33
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc? » mocdoc, posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 16:20:40
have you had any weight gain or bloating/water retention with the neurontin??? every time i get past 400 mg i feel like a blimp and am extreemly tired also...glad to hear your doing better too! thanks...jodi!
Posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 20:47:13
In reply to Re: question for Miragee?, posted by jodsteroo on June 7, 2001, at 20:03:33
Hi Jodi,
No. This drug has been a miracle for me. But, I know some people cannot tolerate it. The amazing thing for me is that I cannot tolerate even simple vitamin supplements (especially B vitamins and also Vitamin E), and yet I can successfully take all these prescription drugs.
No one is more surprised about this than I am. For eight years, I was told there was nothing I could do for the Multiple Chemical Sensitivity except for avoiding chemicals (I moved to the country) and avoiding the foods that caused my symptoms. (Back in the late '80's, when I did not completely understand what was going on, I found out that if I stopped eating wheat products, my depression lifted. That is NOT an easy thing to do! However, it worked!)
What condition is your doctor prescribing the Neurontin for? Did he tell you to avoid magnesium supplements while taking Neurontin? Apparently magnesium blocks the receptors in the brain for Neurontin.
This is a URL to an article about my doctor. It mentions bloating and states that it can be treated "appropriately." I don't know what that entails. Diuretics? Laxatives? You would have to ask your doctor.
http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/neurontin98.htm
For the first two weeks, as I very gradually increased my dose up to the therapeutic level for M.C.S. of 4800 mg. per day (taken four times a day because Neurontin leaves the body very quickly), I had some side effects. I think I know the "tired" you are talking about. For me, the mild side effects went away and by the third week, I felt more "normal" than I had in years.
> have you had any weight gain or bloating/water retention with the neurontin??? every time i get past 400 mg i feel like a blimp and am extreemly tired also...glad to hear your doing better too! thanks...jodi!
Posted by AMenz on June 8, 2001, at 0:01:40
In reply to Re: question for mocdoc? » mocdoc, posted by Miragee on June 7, 2001, at 17:46:59
What are the symptoms of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and what specialty of doctor diagnoses this.
> Well - - - Do you want the long story or the short story?
>
> The semi-short answer is that I was diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivty in 1990. In 1998, I finally found a PDoc who understood this malady. In research with many MCS patients at a clinic in Dallas, Texas, he had discovered that Neurontin, in high dosages (from 3200 mg. per day up to 6000 mg.) gave relief. I was one of the lucky ones who responded well and my chemical sensitivity abated almost immediately. I started taking Nerontin in November 1998.
>
> However . . . I was still very sick and dependent on penicillin to control excruiciating mental symptoms. (This effect of the penicillin was discovered "by accident" when I had to take it for a dental problem).
>
> For more than two years, I tried to get someone to diagnose why I needed the penicillin. (And I tried to get someone to prescribe it -- you would have thought I was asking for powdered Oxycontin -- no one would prescribe that common antibiotic!)
>
> I finally found a "Lyme Literate" doctor who diagnosed me with Lyme Disease. I have the type that affects the Central Nervous System. In other words, it is in my brain.
>
> Now that I am on the antibiotics that work for me to treat chronic Lyme Disease (Penicillin and Flagyl and Bactrim), I have my life back.
>
> I have met others who have Lyme Disease, who also suffer from the chemical sensitivity. There might be some relationship between the two conditions. The Lyme "bugs" mess with your immune system something terrible if the disease is not discovered *immediately*. I do not know when I got Lyme Disease. I could have gotten it when I was a child or . . .
>
> So, I take my thirty plus pills six times a day and feel better than I have in twenty years!
>
>
> > Dear Miragee,
> > Thanks for the tip about Magnesium a no-no with Neurontin. By the way, what is the condition you're taking it for-surely not simple insomnia!
> > Be well,
> > mocdoc
Posted by AMenz on June 8, 2001, at 0:06:04
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by Anna P. on June 6, 2001, at 16:37:04
Anna,
Does tianeptine induce cycling in some bipolars like SSRI's do. Do you need a prescription. The IAS cite seems to be in the UK. Will they ship to US without prescription?
Are you happy with the drug? Is the anxiety ongoing or is it a transitory side effect.
> > Dear Anna-where did you buy tianeptine? And what dose do you use-I gather it might be 12.5 mg thrice daily. Any side effects? How long have you been taking it? And what's your diagnosis-mine's Bipolar II with accompanying OCD.
> > Glad for you,
> > mocdoc
>
> Hi Mocdoc,
>
> Tianeptine may be purchased at antiaging systems.
> There is no side effects exept the transient anxiety that can be resolved by taking
> Lorazepam. I'm treatment resistant BipolarII, so later on I had to augment Tianeptine either with Lithium or Topamax.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Anna P.
Posted by Miragee on June 8, 2001, at 12:54:48
In reply to Re: question for Miragee?, posted by AMenz on June 8, 2001, at 0:01:40
Hi,
The main symptoms are reactions, such as headache, backache, wheezing, depression (or inumerable other possibilities), *in* the presence of a chemical, any chemical (perfume, new paint, epoxy, automobile exhaust, newly dry-cleaned clothing, fabric softeners, pesticides, etc.). How do you feel when you walk down the detergent isle of a grocery store? Do you feel like you just have to get out of there? How do you feel when a co-worker who wears a great deal of perfume comes nearby? Do you feel fine at home but start getting a headache when you get to work in your brand new office? If your illness varies from your location, you probably have Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. (It has also been called Environmental Illness.)
Some people are victims of "Sick Building Syndrome" and are only sick when they are at work, usually a brand-new building full of formaldehyde-laden contruction materials. Older buildings can also be culprits if they are moldy.
If you feel better out in truly fresh air, a day at the beach or up in the mountains, but find the familiar lousy symptoms returning as soon as you get back home, that can be a clue. I became ill because my house had a low level gas leak.
Many people who have M.C.S. are also sensitive to particular foods. In my case, I discovered that if I stopped eating wheat products, my depression lifted! It isn't easy to avoid eating wheat, but the results were worth it.
In answer to your question about doctors who diagnosis this illness -- there are not many. This illness is "controversial" (it isn't controversial to those hundreds of thousands of us who are affected). I had to travel 350 miles to see the doctor who diagnosed me in 1990.
An excellent newsletter that addresses this illness in a practical and scientific, as well as encouraging, way is:
Our Toxic Times
Chemical Injury Information Network
P.O. Box 301
White Sulphur Springs, MT 59645What part of the country are you in? Maybe I can look in my latest issue and see if there are any physician references for your area.
> What are the symptoms of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and what specialty of doctor diagnoses this.
>
> > Well - - - Do you want the long story or the short story?
> >
> > The semi-short answer is that I was diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivty in 1990. In 1998, I finally found a PDoc who understood this malady. In research with many MCS patients at a clinic in Dallas, Texas, he had discovered that Neurontin, in high dosages (from 3200 mg. per day up to 6000 mg.) gave relief. I was one of the lucky ones who responded well and my chemical sensitivity abated almost immediately. I started taking Nerontin in November 1998.
> >
> > However . . . I was still very sick and dependent on penicillin to control excruiciating mental symptoms. (This effect of the penicillin was discovered "by accident" when I had to take it for a dental problem).
> >
> > For more than two years, I tried to get someone to diagnose why I needed the penicillin. (And I tried to get someone to prescribe it -- you would have thought I was asking for powdered Oxycontin -- no one would prescribe that common antibiotic!)
> >
> > I finally found a "Lyme Literate" doctor who diagnosed me with Lyme Disease. I have the type that affects the Central Nervous System. In other words, it is in my brain.
> >
> > Now that I am on the antibiotics that work for me to treat chronic Lyme Disease (Penicillin and Flagyl and Bactrim), I have my life back.
> >
> > I have met others who have Lyme Disease, who also suffer from the chemical sensitivity. There might be some relationship between the two conditions. The Lyme "bugs" mess with your immune system something terrible if the disease is not discovered *immediately*. I do not know when I got Lyme Disease. I could have gotten it when I was a child or . . .
> >
> > So, I take my thirty plus pills six times a day and feel better than I have in twenty years!
> >
> >
> > > Dear Miragee,
> > > Thanks for the tip about Magnesium a no-no with Neurontin. By the way, what is the condition you're taking it for-surely not simple insomnia!
> > > Be well,
> > > mocdoc
Posted by AMenz on June 9, 2001, at 12:04:51
In reply to Re: question for Miragee? Symptoms of M.C.S. » AMenz, posted by Miragee on June 8, 2001, at 12:54:48
Thanks, I don't have it. It sounds to me that it is a developped sensitivity to a bunch of chemicals, and quite real. In the nature of an allergy or multiple allergy. (Had a friend almost die of allergy to virtually every food. Allergy was developed by a combination of eating exotic shellfish during a trip and the stress of a nasty divorce. So I really think these breakdowns in tolerance to environmental issues is possible specially brought on by stress).
Good luck
> Hi,
>
> The main symptoms are reactions, such as headache, backache, wheezing, depression (or inumerable other possibilities), *in* the presence of a chemical, any chemical (perfume, new paint, epoxy, automobile exhaust, newly dry-cleaned clothing, fabric softeners, pesticides, etc.). How do you feel when you walk down the detergent isle of a grocery store? Do you feel like you just have to get out of there? How do you feel when a co-worker who wears a great deal of perfume comes nearby? Do you feel fine at home but start getting a headache when you get to work in your brand new office? If your illness varies from your location, you probably have Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. (It has also been called Environmental Illness.)
>
> Some people are victims of "Sick Building Syndrome" and are only sick when they are at work, usually a brand-new building full of formaldehyde-laden contruction materials. Older buildings can also be culprits if they are moldy.
>
> If you feel better out in truly fresh air, a day at the beach or up in the mountains, but find the familiar lousy symptoms returning as soon as you get back home, that can be a clue. I became ill because my house had a low level gas leak.
>
> Many people who have M.C.S. are also sensitive to particular foods. In my case, I discovered that if I stopped eating wheat products, my depression lifted! It isn't easy to avoid eating wheat, but the results were worth it.
>
> In answer to your question about doctors who diagnosis this illness -- there are not many. This illness is "controversial" (it isn't controversial to those hundreds of thousands of us who are affected). I had to travel 350 miles to see the doctor who diagnosed me in 1990.
>
> An excellent newsletter that addresses this illness in a practical and scientific, as well as encouraging, way is:
>
> Our Toxic Times
> Chemical Injury Information Network
> P.O. Box 301
> White Sulphur Springs, MT 59645
>
> What part of the country are you in? Maybe I can look in my latest issue and see if there are any physician references for your area.
>
> > What are the symptoms of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and what specialty of doctor diagnoses this.
> >
> > > Well - - - Do you want the long story or the short story?
> > >
> > > The semi-short answer is that I was diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivty in 1990. In 1998, I finally found a PDoc who understood this malady. In research with many MCS patients at a clinic in Dallas, Texas, he had discovered that Neurontin, in high dosages (from 3200 mg. per day up to 6000 mg.) gave relief. I was one of the lucky ones who responded well and my chemical sensitivity abated almost immediately. I started taking Nerontin in November 1998.
> > >
> > > However . . . I was still very sick and dependent on penicillin to control excruiciating mental symptoms. (This effect of the penicillin was discovered "by accident" when I had to take it for a dental problem).
> > >
> > > For more than two years, I tried to get someone to diagnose why I needed the penicillin. (And I tried to get someone to prescribe it -- you would have thought I was asking for powdered Oxycontin -- no one would prescribe that common antibiotic!)
> > >
> > > I finally found a "Lyme Literate" doctor who diagnosed me with Lyme Disease. I have the type that affects the Central Nervous System. In other words, it is in my brain.
> > >
> > > Now that I am on the antibiotics that work for me to treat chronic Lyme Disease (Penicillin and Flagyl and Bactrim), I have my life back.
> > >
> > > I have met others who have Lyme Disease, who also suffer from the chemical sensitivity. There might be some relationship between the two conditions. The Lyme "bugs" mess with your immune system something terrible if the disease is not discovered *immediately*. I do not know when I got Lyme Disease. I could have gotten it when I was a child or . . .
> > >
> > > So, I take my thirty plus pills six times a day and feel better than I have in twenty years!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Miragee,
> > > > Thanks for the tip about Magnesium a no-no with Neurontin. By the way, what is the condition you're taking it for-surely not simple insomnia!
> > > > Be well,
> > > > mocdoc
Posted by AMenz on June 9, 2001, at 12:06:37
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by Anna P. on June 6, 2001, at 16:37:04
Anna,
Does tianeptine induce cycling in some bipolars like SSRI's do. Do you need a prescription. The IAS cite seems to be in the UK. Will they ship to US without prescription?Are you happy with the drug? Is the anxiety ongoing or is it a transitory side effect.
> > Dear Anna-where did you buy tianeptine? And what dose do you use-I gather it might be 12.5 mg thrice daily. Any side effects? How long have you been taking it? And what's your diagnosis-mine's Bipolar II with accompanying OCD.
> > Glad for you,
> > mocdoc
>
> Hi Mocdoc,
>
> Tianeptine may be purchased at antiaging systems.
> There is no side effects exept the transient anxiety that can be resolved by taking
> Lorazepam. I'm treatment resistant BipolarII, so later on I had to augment Tianeptine either with Lithium or Topamax.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Anna P.
Posted by Cecilia on June 11, 2001, at 3:19:07
In reply to amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by ian on September 12, 1998, at 11:59:46
Does anyone know about drug interactions with Tianeptine? I`ve considered giving it a try (ordering from Anti-aging systems). I already take Trazodone, Celexa, Clonazepam and Atenolol. (Plus Temazepam or Ambien prn). Nothing I have ever tried has ever really done anything for my depression, but these maybe keep some of the worst anxiety at bay, so I hate to go through a lengthy weaning process for something that probably won`t work either. The only thing the manufacturer lists about interactions is not to take with MAOI`s.
Posted by J Chemist on July 18, 2001, at 9:13:49
In reply to amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by ian on September 12, 1998, at 11:59:46
> Has anyone had experience with either of these European antidepressants
> Amineptine (Survector)
AMINEPTINE SURVECTOR SERDIA TAB 100 MG 10 tab. $13,20
> Tianeptine (Stablon)
TIANEPTINE STABLON SERDIA TAB 12.5 MG 10 tab $7,3send a email to chemist_j@hotmail.com
Posted by chrisman51 on August 11, 2001, at 18:04:01
In reply to amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by ian on September 12, 1998, at 11:59:46
Hello,
Im Italian, 50 years, and since 1 year and half in Italy the Amineptine is retired from commerce.
I took it during more than 10 years for my depression and it was WHAT IT SAVED ME.
Now since when amineptine was retired from commerce, I am soooo BAD.
Is there a way to buy Survector or similar ?
chrisman51@excite.it
Posted by garylee on February 23, 2003, at 18:38:27
In reply to Re: amineptine no longer available I have known a, posted by Justin on January 7, 2000, at 13:47:03
Do you still post on the board Justin? If you do I'd like to pick your brains re amineptine.
Cheers
Gary
Posted by lostforwards on October 20, 2004, at 21:14:01
In reply to amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by ian on September 12, 1998, at 11:59:46
off hand do you know the names of any drugs like amineptine that are around?
Posted by darkhorse on October 21, 2004, at 5:05:44
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression, posted by lostforwards on October 20, 2004, at 21:14:01
I think that Amineptine (Survector ) was banned from the world around 2000,and the french company that made it introduced Tianeptine instead....I think you won't find Amineptine legally...the reason they banned it was because of liver side effects + some cases of addiction/dependence
I took both : Amineptine is a pure dopamine reuptake inhibitor and in high dose it releases dopamine like a mild amphetamine...when I took it in the correct doses 200mg it made me very depressed but when I took it in high doese 600-800mg it gave me a stimulation similar to psedoephedrine or ritalin.
Tianeptine is also a clean drug that accelerate serotonin (Opposite od SSRI)...when I took it in regular dose it gave a serenic effect something between SSRIs and benzos,but when I increased the dose it stimulated me but made me gain weight?..I believe Tianeptine in high doses has an effect on dopamine too....
Anyway I discontinued all my AD's a year ago after trying nearly all what is out there in the world and found out that either they do not work or work wonderfully (Prozac,Effexor,Tofranil,Amitriptyline,Ludiomil,Parnate) but they all made me gain weight on the long term which I could not tolerate anymore....
Now I'm back with my normal weight and the only medications I take are the benzos(mainly Ativan,Xanax and Lexotan) because they are safe,extremley effective,very clean and do not cause weight gain,and am a lot happier now
Posted by t-rotten on October 23, 2004, at 17:36:16
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression+Benzo/wei, posted by darkhorse on October 21, 2004, at 5:05:44
> I think that Amineptine (Survector ) was banned from the world around 2000,and the french company that made it introduced Tianeptine instead....I think you won't find Amineptine legally...the reason they banned it was because of liver side effects + some cases of addiction/dependence
>
> I took both : Amineptine is a pure dopamine reuptake inhibitor and in high dose it releases dopamine like a mild amphetamine...when I took it in the correct doses 200mg it made me very depressed but when I took it in high doese 600-800mg it gave me a stimulation similar to psedoephedrine or ritalin.
> Tianeptine is also a clean drug that accelerate serotonin (Opposite od SSRI)...when I took it in regular dose it gave a serenic effect something between SSRIs and benzos,but when I increased the dose it stimulated me but made me gain weight?..I believe Tianeptine in high doses has an effect on dopamine too....
> Anyway I discontinued all my AD's a year ago after trying nearly all what is out there in the world and found out that either they do not work or work wonderfully (Prozac,Effexor,Tofranil,Amitriptyline,Ludiomil,Parnate) but they all made me gain weight on the long term which I could not tolerate anymore....
> Now I'm back with my normal weight and the only medications I take are the benzos(mainly Ativan,Xanax and Lexotan) because they are safe,extremley effective,very clean and do not cause weight gain,and am a lot happier nowHi! You said that when amineptine in 600-800mg has an good effect, but how much time you kept taking? It pooped up or you stopped with the amineptine working?
PS.: I live in Brasil ans SURVECTOR is avaliable as tianeptine too, and I liked the idea of to use a larger dose cause 200mg is too weak.
TKS
Posted by darkhorse on October 25, 2004, at 6:08:09
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression+Benzo/wei, posted by t-rotten on October 23, 2004, at 17:36:16
> > I think that Amineptine (Survector ) was banned from the world around 2000,and the french company that made it introduced Tianeptine instead....I think you won't find Amineptine legally...the reason they banned it was because of liver side effects + some cases of addiction/dependence
> >
> > I took both : Amineptine is a pure dopamine reuptake inhibitor and in high dose it releases dopamine like a mild amphetamine...when I took it in the correct doses 200mg it made me very depressed but when I took it in high doese 600-800mg it gave me a stimulation similar to psedoephedrine or ritalin.
> > Tianeptine is also a clean drug that accelerate serotonin (Opposite od SSRI)...when I took it in regular dose it gave a serenic effect something between SSRIs and benzos,but when I increased the dose it stimulated me but made me gain weight?..I believe Tianeptine in high doses has an effect on dopamine too....
> > Anyway I discontinued all my AD's a year ago after trying nearly all what is out there in the world and found out that either they do not work or work wonderfully (Prozac,Effexor,Tofranil,Amitriptyline,Ludiomil,Parnate) but they all made me gain weight on the long term which I could not tolerate anymore....
> > Now I'm back with my normal weight and the only medications I take are the benzos(mainly Ativan,Xanax and Lexotan) because they are safe,extremley effective,very clean and do not cause weight gain,and am a lot happier now
>
> Hi! You said that when amineptine in 600-800mg has an good effect, but how much time you kept taking? It pooped up or you stopped with the amineptine working?
>
> PS.: I live in Brasil ans SURVECTOR is avaliable as tianeptine too, and I liked the idea of to use a larger dose cause 200mg is too weak.
> TKS
Hi,I stopped Amineptine because I felt that I'm going to be dependant on it,escalating the dose to get more stimulation,so I could not live with the idea + I felt,like all other stimulants I took, that what I'm experiencing is an "artifical" stimulation not an "antidepressant " effect,unlike imipramine(Tofranil)which really got me through my depression without making me artifically "high".
Posted by pablo1 on October 26, 2004, at 0:09:30
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression+Benzo/wei, posted by t-rotten on October 23, 2004, at 17:36:16
I've been taking amineptine at a very low dose of 25mg. Higher doses do get me sort of high and euphoric but this low dose seems quite safe and effective. I'm also taking amisulpride at a very low dose of 12.5mg and it is even more subtle but is nice because it reaches a steady state. The two are similar in dopamine effect. I'm tempted to take more and have tried more but its really not that great for getting high and not terribly different from the low doses except some minor impairment and minor euphoria. Egads 800mg I can't imagine. At those doses amisulpride reverses action and decreases dopamine action and is used as an antipsychotic. I find the mild lift to be very good for me. Many thing are harmful in excess and beneficial in moderation. I should mention that I was quite sensitive to ritalin & adderall and only needed about 5mg. Any more just got me high & gave me headaches & feeling wired. These pure dopamine meds are much less troublesome for anxiety because they lack the norepenephrine action of traditional stimulants which my anxiety already gives me too much of. But I think I was way low on dopamine and I am not such a prude that I would consider it cheating to get my pleasure/reward system chemistry back up to what is probably a normal level. It is better than having to resort to other means of finding satisfaction from life.
> > I think that Amineptine (Survector ) was banned from the world around 2000,and the french company that made it introduced Tianeptine instead....I think you won't find Amineptine legally...the reason they banned it was because of liver side effects + some cases of addiction/dependence
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> > I took both : Amineptine is a pure dopamine reuptake inhibitor and in high dose it releases dopamine like a mild amphetamine...when I took it in the correct doses 200mg it made me very depressed but when I took it in high doese 600-800mg it gave me a stimulation similar to psedoephedrine or ritalin.
> > Tianeptine is also a clean drug that accelerate serotonin (Opposite od SSRI)...when I took it in regular dose it gave a serenic effect something between SSRIs and benzos,but when I increased the dose it stimulated me but made me gain weight?..I believe Tianeptine in high doses has an effect on dopamine too....
> > Anyway I discontinued all my AD's a year ago after trying nearly all what is out there in the world and found out that either they do not work or work wonderfully (Prozac,Effexor,Tofranil,Amitriptyline,Ludiomil,Parnate) but they all made me gain weight on the long term which I could not tolerate anymore....
> > Now I'm back with my normal weight and the only medications I take are the benzos(mainly Ativan,Xanax and Lexotan) because they are safe,extremley effective,very clean and do not cause weight gain,and am a lot happier now
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> Hi! You said that when amineptine in 600-800mg has an good effect, but how much time you kept taking? It pooped up or you stopped with the amineptine working?
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> PS.: I live in Brasil ans SURVECTOR is avaliable as tianeptine too, and I liked the idea of to use a larger dose cause 200mg is too weak.
> TKS
Posted by sukarno on May 4, 2005, at 20:33:42
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression+Benzo/wei, posted by t-rotten on October 23, 2004, at 17:36:16
t-rotten said, "PS.: I live in Brasil ans SURVECTOR is avaliable as tianeptine too, and I liked the idea of to use a larger dose cause 200mg is too weak.
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Paul
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2005, at 23:24:37
In reply to Re: amineptine/tianeptine for depression+Benzo/wei, posted by sukarno on May 4, 2005, at 20:33:42
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Posted by geno on May 7, 2005, at 12:29:50
In reply to Re: mocdoc, posted by jodsteroo on June 7, 2001, at 20:00:15
IN reguards to Tianapine and Survector, Iv heard that Tianeptine works like a tiny dose of say extacy. (THIS is what 2 post were about year ago. Then Survector, A pro dopaminergic med, was like a light dose of amphetamine.
Why not just take a Adderall and something like L-tryptphan, and Lexapro. I dont think tianeptine is like a smalll dose of extacy but It has a different mechanism than SSRI. I dont see why survector , is not just scheduled if addictive but has benificial uses, why because of the reward pathway release just like amphetamines. Im sure amineptine (survector would be nice for taking amphetamine breaks. Welbutrin just wont do it
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