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Posted by Greg on October 15, 2000, at 12:06:28
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
Steven Spielberg - Writer/Director/Producer/Genius - Bipolar II, Manic
Posted by stjames on October 15, 2000, at 12:58:50
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
> Erik Satie, French composer and all around psycho. Very interesting life, not to mention his writings and compositions
> Mozart, german French composer and all around psycho.Great list. Satie was probably OCD. Obsessed with 3. 3 can be found througout his music in theme, form and analysis.
His living quarters, which nobody saw when he was living, were OCD spotless. He had multiple sets of the same clothes.
Always appeared neat as a pin.Ah, Mozart ! Prodigy with stage father who really pushed him. It is common with a prodigy that was pushed from an early age
to develop odd behaviors. Van Cliburn, for instance. Tom Hulches manaical laff in "Amadeus" has a factual basis.
Throughout Mozarts letters one finds the phrase "And I laff'ed and laff'ed and laff'ed". Mozart never saw much sucess, no patron and only
a minor court appointment. Very poor, there are very sad letters to Mozarts father begging for money.> Van Gogh, possibly Bi-polar, Committed suicide)
The body mulitation is sugesstive of schizoid disorgers. Thank god for his brother !
He was an art dealer who supported Van Gogh all of his life (Van Gogh sold no paintings, people hated his work,
burned a lot. His brother saw the greatness a head of its time and supported his brother and picked up the peices after
many breakdowns) Clearly Van Goug had mental illness but painting at that time
was very toxic as paints were lead based. Painters lick their brushes to get a good point. Lead and
other metals are neurotoxic. The solvants painters use are toxic, too. There are letters from Van Gogh to his brother
saying he was eating paint and drinking solvants. Nice ! Crazy to start with and the metals and other
things really did him in.> Salvador Dali. spanish painter. Psychotic.
White hot brilliant. Chaos theorist.
> Kurt Cobain. Musician.Bi-polar. Heroine addict. suicide.As if being married to Courtany was not enough !
> Joan of arc. easily schiozophrenic.possibly trans-gendered.Well said !
> Edgar allen poe. depressive.
Very addicted to laudinum (opium) or mophine. Self medication, perhaps ?
The drugs he was on contributed to the distinict tone to this writing.
> Francis farmer. us actress. bi-polar.Poor Francis ! What treatment she got was pre-med.
Insulin Coma therapy, a high dose of insulin is ingected. produces
a seizure, shock. Barbaric. Also high dose and frequancy ECT.I'll add my list later, thanks pullmarine, this is an intresting thread !
james
Posted by pullmarine on October 15, 2000, at 13:36:30
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by stjames on October 15, 2000, at 12:58:50
> > Erik Satie, French composer and all around psycho. Very interesting life, not to mention his writings and compositions
> > Mozart, german French composer and all around psycho.
>
> Great list. Satie was probably OCD. Obsessed with 3. 3 can be found througout his music in theme, form and analysis.
> His living quarters, which nobody saw when he was living, were OCD spotless (ACTUALLY< THEY WERE QUITE MASSY > INCLUDING AN OLD EMPTY PIANO FULL OF TRASH). He had multiple sets of the same clothes.
> Always appeared neat as a pin.
>
> Ah, Mozart ! Prodigy with stage father who really pushed him. It is common with a prodigy that was pushed from an early age
> to develop odd behaviors. Van Cliburn, for instance. Tom Hulches manaical laff in "Amadeus" has a factual basis.
> Throughout Mozarts letters one finds the phrase "And I laff'ed and laff'ed and laff'ed". Mozart never saw much sucess, no patron and only
> a minor court appointment. Very poor, there are very sad letters to Mozarts father begging for money.
>
> > Van Gogh, possibly Bi-polar, Committed suicide)
>
> The body mulitation is sugesstive of schizoid disorgers. (Not Necessarily)Thank god for his brother !
> He was an art dealer who supported Van Gogh all of his life (Van Gogh sold ONE paintings, people hated his work,artists loved it)
> burned a lot. His brother saw the greatness a head of its time and supported his brother and picked up the peices after
> many breakdowns) Clearly Van Gogh had mental illness but painting at that time
> was very toxic as paints were lead based. Painters lick their brushes to get a good point. Lead and
> other metals are neurotoxic. The solvants painters use are toxic, too. There are letters from Van Gogh to his brother
> saying he was eating paint and drinking solvants, as well as absinth and smking opium. Nice ! Crazy to start with and the metals and other
> things really did him in.
>
> > Salvador Dali. spanish painter. Psychotic.
>
> White hot brilliant. Chaos theorist.
>
>
> > Kurt Cobain. Musician.Bi-polar. Heroine addict. suicide.
>
> As if being married to Courtany was not enough !
>
>
> > Joan of arc. easily schiozophrenic.possibly trans-gendered.
>
> Well said !
>
> > Edgar allen poe. depressive.
>
> Very addicted to laudinum (opium) or mophine. Self medication, perhaps ?
> The drugs he was on contributed to the distinict tone to this writing.
>
>
> > Francis farmer. us actress. bi-polar.
>
> Poor Francis ! What treatment she got was pre-med.
> Insulin Coma therapy, a high dose of insulin is ingected (ingested insulin is broken down in the stomach and has no effect!). produces
> a seizure, shock. Barbaric. Also high dose and frequancy ECT.
>
> I'll add my list later, thanks pullmarine, this is an intresting thread !
>
> james
Posted by Racer on October 15, 2000, at 14:56:21
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by stjames on October 15, 2000, at 12:58:50
That poor woman received one of the ice pick lobotomies which were so popular at the time! Poor thing, brain mutilation!
Posted by Lexie on October 15, 2000, at 18:55:59
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by Racer on October 15, 2000, at 14:56:21
Did anyone mention Patty Duke, Actress and Author of the books, Call Me Anna and A Brillant Madness (Living with Manic-Depressive Illness). The list goes on and on. Sounds like we are not alone. Lexie
Posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:21:13
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
Most recently, Sporty Spice (Melanie something) - admitted to suffering from depression and currently on meds. Go figure. It helps to know that even the most successful people out there are affected by these disorders; makes me feel less of an idiot for having this.
Posted by Cindy W on October 15, 2000, at 19:57:26
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love » pullmarine, posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:21:13
> Most recently, Sporty Spice (Melanie something) - admitted to suffering from depression and currently on meds. Go figure. It helps to know that even the most successful people out there are affected by these disorders; makes me feel less of an idiot for having this.
Don't forget Howard Hughes, who was a wealthy pilot (of sorts) who probably had OCD (saved his own fingernail clippings and urine, and had his staff of servants follow intricate instructions, e.g., to wash a can before opening it, only give him the middle of three magazines, etc.).
Posted by alicefranklin on October 15, 2000, at 21:02:34
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by Cindy W on October 15, 2000, at 19:57:26
Lou Reed - artist - ECTd against his will in an attempt to alter his sexual preference
Posted by shar on October 15, 2000, at 22:08:43
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by alicefranklin on October 15, 2000, at 21:02:34
Alfred Hitchcock: Don't know if OCD, but many odd behaviors.
Posted by stjames on October 16, 2000, at 0:08:10
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by Racer on October 15, 2000, at 14:56:21
> That poor woman received one of the ice pick lobotomies which were so popular at the time! Poor thing, brain mutilation!
James here....
The so called "button hook" operation.
Lincoln was a depressive or bi-polor. His law partner reported
him dissapearing into his office and taking no visitors for weeks.
Lincoln also wrote about his black moods.Schumann went coo coo, not able to compose unless
is feet were in water, ect. It did not help that he
ruined one hand using some gaget to improve reach.
Clara Schumann was also fooling around with Brahms.Tchaikovsky was very unhappy and depressed. Never delt with being gay well.
Ravel is often noted as going crazy, actually he had a neurological
disorder that left him at times unable to speak or coordanate movements.
His last compositions were written with great difficulty. Had a brain opperation in the 1920's. That is scary ! The Ravel family
will not release his medical records so the specific disorder is not known.Haendel, some suggest bi polar. Huge output of work.
james
Posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by stjames on October 16, 2000, at 0:08:10
Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
CybilDisobedience
Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by pullmarine on October 16, 2000, at 23:05:34
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
Without deviance from norms.....progress is not possible.
also txhaikovsy committed suicide.
other psychos
Paul Verlaine. BPD, tried to shoot his ex lover Arthur Rimbaud in brussels.
Camille Claudel.
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
>
> CybilDisobedience
> Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 17, 2000, at 0:20:57
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
The idea here is to provide support. Repeated posting for other purposes will also result in being blocked.
Bob
Posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
...so mentally un-healthy, where is my intelligence? I (not to blow my own horn) have always felt that I was very intelligent (even though I failed 7-10 grade in school). Is it just that I haven't found my nitche in life? I was just telling my husband the other day how bored I am and that I can't stick to one thing. I think I want to do something (like study anatomy or take up running or learn to cook better) but it bores me quickly and then I have nothing to show for any of it. I have switched my college major 3 times and still don't have a degree. I feel when I'm around others that I am stupid because they have degree's and a real job (i'm a stay at home mom now). I seem to know a little bit about everything, but not enough to do anything. All those people were masters at what they did, so I must just be too flighty to stick to something. If anyone has any thing to add to this or can relate, let me know. -Flutter
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:19:14
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
It is possible to be intelligent and still have school problems. Look at Einstein, for one.
Have you ever been tested for learning disabilities or evaluated for attention deficit disorder? The definition of LD involves not performing at expected levels for one's intelligence, meaning, the person is intelligent, but has some form of processing problem that interferes with learning in the typical way.
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:20:20
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
You might want to read one of Mel Levine's books--either Keeping a Head in School, or All Kinds of Minds.
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:21:23
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Another book to see is Succeeding Against the Odds by Sally L. Smith.
Posted by stjames on October 17, 2000, at 11:45:16
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
>Jmaes here....
Who cares.
Posted by alicefranklin on October 17, 2000, at 12:15:21
In reply to Re: Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by stjames on October 17, 2000, at 11:45:16
> > Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
> >
>
> Jmaes here....
>
> Who cares.. I do.
Posted by Cass on October 17, 2000, at 15:18:28
In reply to Re: others, posted by coral on October 15, 2000, at 11:16:02
Alice Walker who wrote The Color Purple said she heard voices that inspired her to write the novel.
Posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:22:06
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Jean Cocteau also got bored easily. i guess that's why he was a poet, playright, novelist, painter, critic and film maker
Posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:26:32
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
Erik Satie
Mozart
frances Farmer
wiould probably have been blocked>
> CybilDisobedience
> Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by shar on October 17, 2000, at 19:29:07
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Flutter,
Albert Einstein also did very poorly in school, especially math.You are not alone. I was a really bright kid, and would finish my work quickly and then visit with the other kids. That was first grade; the solution was to put me in the back corner of the room with my desk facing the wall, and my back to the class.
I know that they had to do something, but it seems like they missed the big picture (it was 1956-57).
I'm surprised something with infinite promise has not caught your attention. Like computers, or building, or something like that.
Shar
Posted by tdaneen on October 17, 2000, at 20:37:33
In reply to Re: If all these intelligent people were......, posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:22:06
Don Osmond... social anxiety disorder
Steve Page... depression, alcohol abuseBTW: Dr. Bob, stjames, and others who know the "odd" situation... could we please, please, please, just leave further arguments about THAT alone??!?!?!
PB is a much nicer place to be when we are not squabbling amongst our psyco-selves :^)
-tdaneen
Posted by stjames on October 18, 2000, at 0:02:22
In reply to Music makers..., posted by tdaneen on October 17, 2000, at 20:37:33
I guess the greater question would be, does creativity
and mental illness go hand in hand ? This really is not a fair
question because the sample group is off. My degree is in music,
and there are lots of very talented people that are not sucessful or known.
Sucess has its own pitfalls. We tend to only think of the well knon people and
not the whole group. Also it is hard to create if you feel ugly inside.I will make the observation that the really good musicians spend
8 hrs a day alone in the practice room. So they are little batty and lack
some social skills, they have been in that room since they were 15.
While not all were batty or whatever, some of the
pianists were the worst in school. They do play all the notes and there is a huge amount of rep for the piano.
8-10 hrs alone with only very difficult Mozart to keep company. I was lucky because singers cannot do more
than 2 hrs a day, perfict for someone with ADD.Tdaneen, could you exlaine what bothers you about this thread ?
If my posts offended it was not intentional. Sometimes I do not
get it, I'm ADD. I do respect your feelings.james
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