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Posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
After 5 years, the receptionist in my pdoc's office told me today that my pdoc would be discontinuing his services to me. In a word, I was shocked, and after I hung up the telephone I began to cry, probably from the fear of abandonment more than anything else. Actually, I should have fired him years ago, but I didn't because of our long association. It's strange, but I never felt like he really understood me nor cared ... obviously, I know now that he didn't. I've heard of people firing their pdocs, but I've never heard of a pdoc firing a patient. I know this too shall pass and he probably was doing me a favor, but I'm feeling extremely vulnerable right now. Was the fact that I research the internet really so imtimidating? He was so nasty toward the end, and every question of mine was followed by some sarcastic "ask your internet friends" type response. Paul, I certainly understand what you went through now. I guess surviving and doing well is the best revenge, but first I have to find a replacement. It's also a little awkward since my sister still uses him, and I don't want to jeopardize her relationship with him. At the same time, I don't want him to know anything further about me, and I don't want to know anything further about him. Anybody experience anything like this before?
Snowie
Posted by Cindy W on June 5, 2000, at 21:48:17
In reply to Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
> After 5 years, the receptionist in my pdoc's office told me today that my pdoc would be discontinuing his services to me. In a word, I was shocked, and after I hung up the telephone I began to cry, probably from the fear of abandonment more than anything else. Actually, I should have fired him years ago, but I didn't because of our long association. It's strange, but I never felt like he really understood me nor cared ... obviously, I know now that he didn't. I've heard of people firing their pdocs, but I've never heard of a pdoc firing a patient. I know this too shall pass and he probably was doing me a favor, but I'm feeling extremely vulnerable right now. Was the fact that I research the internet really so imtimidating? He was so nasty toward the end, and every question of mine was followed by some sarcastic "ask your internet friends" type response. Paul, I certainly understand what you went through now. I guess surviving and doing well is the best revenge, but first I have to find a replacement. It's also a little awkward since my sister still uses him, and I don't want to jeopardize her relationship with him. At the same time, I don't want him to know anything further about me, and I don't want to know anything further about him. Anybody experience anything like this before?
>
> SnowieSnowie, I'm sorry to hear about your experience. It was pretty chickensh*t of the therapist to not tell you in person why he was acting that way, and he should have referred you to another therapist, I think. Being "fired" by my pdoc is one of my fears (since I also am always taking in information from my "internet friends"). You are likely right that you will probably be better off with a new therapist, since your therapist obviously was threatened by your information seeking (which to me seems important when you're trying to work together to get better), and if he was also uncaring, you don't need that! Hang in there. I hope you find a much better therapist soon. In the meantime, please realize that you are cared about by people here.--Cindy W
Posted by Janice on June 5, 2000, at 22:31:50
In reply to Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
Yes me Snowie. It was a mutual fire…I'm sure he thinks he fired me, and I like to think I fired him. I thought he was one twisted cookie. He would say to me, 'Well, you're the analytical one' and 'well, you're the one who knows so much about your disorders' and 'why are you always so dramatic'. He didn't like the fact I knew so much about my disorders.
I was a generic patient to him (he wanted me to be like a blank white sheet) and everyone does cognitive therapy.
Snowie, just because they are your psychiatrist doesn't mean much. I've always made a personal observation that many twisted individuals seem to get attracted to the helping professions (especially priests). Of course, most are decent, sincere people.
I've hoped I've helped or at least made sense.He was very unprofessional--this is the part that would have especially upset me. Take care, Janice
ps. I now have a psychiatrist I like alot.
Posted by paul on June 6, 2000, at 0:54:33
In reply to Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
i know this isnt worth much but at least you got told. mine just inserted tab "a" into slot "b" and imploded. i was glad to see the worthless little runt go. one minute he's telling me how far i've come, then i get his houdini routine. i hope you find another doc who gives a damn. you might want to spend a little time laying down "snowie's ground rules for doctor-patient relationships". the two retards i had for pdocs sure helped me with this and they very much ARE set in stone. VERRRRRRRY OOOOOOLDE stone, too.
if you feel you are due an explanation, i'd write this guy a letter. these types seem to respond better to paper than to faces. paper has no feelings and what's more it can't punch thier lights out or cry. chances are you'll get a very terse, clinical reply and that will be that. i DON'T recommend trying to talk to him. just like w/leetle dr. runtenstein, he's proven to you that he can't be bothered. why give him the chance to hurt you again by being uncaring to you in person?
much to my own amazement, it was my friends, not me, who wanted to find out what dr. runtenstein's problem was. i was just happy to move on and my new guy seems alright. as more than one person-including my therapist-has told me: I am the only expert on how i respond to drugs. and with drugs of this genre, all anyone can do is try them and see what happens, which is what i do while informing the doc of course. if you have a talk therapist get a few rec's from him/her. thats how i found my new guy. good luck and keep both dem eyes open!!
pcl
Posted by Kim on June 6, 2000, at 1:19:07
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by paul on June 6, 2000, at 0:54:33
Snowie, that guy is a jerk! I don't understand why anyone wants to be a Pdoc when they don't really care about people--but I think that's the case about 50% of the time.
I "fired" a Pdoc in March. Just last week I got a very impersonal letter from him informing me that his office was no longer treating me. He made it sound like it was his decision rather than mine. The letter also said his office would help me find a new doctor. (Geez, like I'd trust his recommendation.) Anyway, I showed it to my therapist.
He said that it was a liability issue (CYA) because there can be major problems for the Pdoc if he just leaves you hanging out to dry and then you go off the deep end or something.
Also, when I called my insurance company to request their permission to get a new doctor, they asked if I wanted to file a complaint about the old one. If this jerk was on your insurance plan, you might want to consider complaining to them. (Your insurance company doesn't want to get sued either, and if he's a bad doc they'll be leary of recommending him to someone else.)
Posted by kazoo on June 6, 2000, at 1:27:03
In reply to Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
> Anybody experience anything like this before?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Greetz to Snowie.Consider yourself *lucky* you escaped from this loser, good grief!
If he shares information about you with your sister, bring him up on charges
with the APA, AMA and your state's medical board (he sounds stupid and
vindictive enough to do this).What I believe happened in your case is that he felt *intimidated* by you,
evidenced by the fact that he kept referring to your internet knowledge.
Obviously, he's not into this medium (a shame in itself), and resents the
fact that you are; however, using this as cause to discontinue his services
is shabby, at best, and says little about his character and professionalism.You are well rid of him, my dear.
As far as being shit-canned by a doctor, I join the ranks as well. This used
to bother me, but now I just slough it off as a rotten experience.
kazoo
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 1:42:48
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Janice on June 5, 2000, at 22:31:50
> Yes me Snowie. It was a mutual fire…I'm sure he thinks he fired me, and I like to think I fired him. I thought he was one twisted cookie. He would say to me, 'Well, you're the analytical one' and 'well, you're the one who knows so much about your disorders' and 'why are you always so dramatic'. He didn't like the fact I knew so much about my disorders.
Sounds like my ex pdoc. What's wrong with being informed? I was never rude, nor did I rub his nose in it. However, I was looking for a new pdoc when this happened, but I wanted to take my time.
> I was a generic patient to him (he wanted me to be like a blank white sheet) and everyone does cognitive therapy.Mine wanted me to be a "yes" woman, but that's not me. It's my body ... I should have some say as to what goes into it. However, I was always willing to listen to him, but he didn't give much advice except to criticize and make fun of me.
> Snowie, just because they are your psychiatrist doesn't mean much. I've always made a personal observation that many twisted individuals seem to get attracted to the helping professions (especially priests). Of course, most are decent, sincere people.This guy seemed sincere when he was hugging me or asking sexual questions. He made me feel a little uncomfortable at times. I don't think it's appropriate for a pdoc to hug his or her patient. If that makes me a prude, so be it.
> I've hoped I've helped or at least made sense.Yes, you have.
> He was very unprofessional--this is the part that would have especially upset me. Take care, JaniceI know, but it's still a little scary.
ps. I now have a psychiatrist I like alot.
I know, and I'll find one too. That will be my best revenge.
Snowie
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 1:53:59
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by paul on June 6, 2000, at 0:54:33
Paul,
My ex-pdoc told me he would call in a scrip for 2 weeks of Xanax (sounds like he gave me a 2-week notice), but that he was discharging me as his patient. I guess he was a little more thoughtful than your guy.
No ... I don't want to do anything about this, because 1) I don't want him to be forced to treat me, and 2) I don't want to ever see or hear from him again. I have no interest in talking or writing to him, nor do I need his wimpy explanation. My silence will speak very loudly. I'm done with him.
I sure hope I find someone good also, but I'm a little numb right now. I really don't know what to feel. I'm sad and relieved all at the same time. Very scared too.
Snowie
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 2:07:43
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Kim on June 6, 2000, at 1:19:07
> Snowie, that guy is a jerk! I don't understand why anyone wants to be a Pdoc when they don't really care about people--but I think that's the case about 50% of the time.
No doubt he's a jerk. It's about money, I think. Maybe I'm getting jaded these days, but I feel that's true for most pdocs. Of course, Dr. Bob is excluded.
> I "fired" a Pdoc in March. Just last week I got a very impersonal letter from him informing me that his office was no longer treating me. He made it sound like it was his decision rather than mine. The letter also said his office would help me find a new doctor. (Geez, like I'd trust his recommendation.) Anyway, I showed it to my therapist.haha ... that's what his receptionist said to me on the phone ... he would no longer be treating me. I was looking for someone else anyway, but I had an appointment with my ex-pdoc on 6/23. I guess that's cancelled now, right? He didn't or hasn't offered to find me a new pdoc, but he knows I'm seeing a psychologist who could make a recommendation. I wouldn't see anybody my ex-pdoc recommended anyway.
> He said that it was a liability issue (CYA) because there can be major problems for the Pdoc if he just leaves you hanging out to dry and then you go off the deep end or something.Well, I don't intend to go off the deep end, but I've had several crying jags since. It's probably a liability for him, but I don't intend to pursue it. Sometimes it's best to move on as quickly as possible to start erasing the bad memories.
> Also, when I called my insurance company to request their permission to get a new doctor, they asked if I wanted to file a complaint about the old one. If this jerk was on your insurance plan, you might want to consider complaining to them. (Your insurance company doesn't want to get sued either, and if he's a bad doc they'll be leary of recommending him to someone else.)He was on my old insurance, but not the one I have now. I might have reported him had that been the case, but in spite of the fact that I work for attorneys, I'm not a litigious person. I'd rather forget it and move on to someone I respect and who respects me.
Snowie
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 2:14:24
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Cindy W on June 5, 2000, at 21:48:17
Thanks for your support, Cindy. I hate to bad-mouth anybody, but what he did IMHO was very low and unprofessional. My eyes are red from crying about it, even though he's not worth it. I'll live and be much wiser in the future.
Snowie
> Snowie, I'm sorry to hear about your experience. It was pretty chickensh*t of the therapist to not tell you in person why he was acting that way, and he should have referred you to another therapist, I think. Being "fired" by my pdoc is one of my fears (since I also am always taking in information from my "internet friends"). You are likely right that you will probably be better off with a new therapist, since your therapist obviously was threatened by your information seeking (which to me seems important when you're trying to work together to get better), and if he was also uncaring, you don't need that! Hang in there. I hope you find a much better therapist soon. In the meantime, please realize that you are cared about by people here.--Cindy W
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 2:37:24
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by kazoo on June 6, 2000, at 1:27:03
Kazoo,
My mother is livid. Neither she nor I intend to tell my sister (who is bipolar and sometimes suicidal), since we're afraid she might go off the deep end. After all, he did this to me ... he could easily do it to her. However, if he has any sense he won't mention my name again.
Yeah, he was very intimidated by me, but without good reason. He made it very clear that he does not like the internet, nor any other type of research. He told me not too long ago that he belives everything I need to know should come from him and him alone. He actually said that if he were to pull a button from his shirt, hand it to me and say, "This button will make you better," I should believe it just because he says it is so. Looking back, that's spooky. I think that poor guy needs therapy worse than I do.
Thanks for responding and making me feel better. I'm starting to remember more of the weird things he has said and done over the years. It's really amazing that I stuck with him for 5 years.
Snowie
> > Anybody experience anything like this before?
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Greetz to Snowie.
>
> Consider yourself *lucky* you escaped from this loser, good grief!
> If he shares information about you with your sister, bring him up on charges
> with the APA, AMA and your state's medical board (he sounds stupid and
> vindictive enough to do this).
>
> What I believe happened in your case is that he felt *intimidated* by you,
> evidenced by the fact that he kept referring to your internet knowledge.
> Obviously, he's not into this medium (a shame in itself), and resents the
> fact that you are; however, using this as cause to discontinue his services
> is shabby, at best, and says little about his character and professionalism.
>
> You are well rid of him, my dear.
>
> As far as being shit-canned by a doctor, I join the ranks as well. This used
> to bother me, but now I just slough it off as a rotten experience.
>
>
> kazoo
Posted by Cindy W on June 6, 2000, at 9:25:05
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 2:14:24
> Thanks for your support, Cindy. I hate to bad-mouth anybody, but what he did IMHO was very low and unprofessional. My eyes are red from crying about it, even though he's not worth it. I'll live and be much wiser in the future.
>
> Snowie
>
>
> > Snowie, I'm sorry to hear about your experience. It was pretty chickensh*t of the therapist to not tell you in person why he was acting that way, and he should have referred you to another therapist, I think. Being "fired" by my pdoc is one of my fears (since I also am always taking in information from my "internet friends"). You are likely right that you will probably be better off with a new therapist, since your therapist obviously was threatened by your information seeking (which to me seems important when you're trying to work together to get better), and if he was also uncaring, you don't need that! Hang in there. I hope you find a much better therapist soon. In the meantime, please realize that you are cared about by people here.--Cindy WSnowie, unfortunately there are bad apples as well as good apples, in any profession, and it sounds like you got one of the bad ones! I'm so sorry that happened to you.--Cindy W
Posted by Rockets on June 6, 2000, at 9:54:20
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Cindy W on June 6, 2000, at 9:25:05
I think we should set our expectations a little more realistically. pdocs are trained medication dispensers who make quite a bit of money to do that. Sometimes you get lucky and find one that is more than that. They usually charge more too. I personally use a really good pre-qualified psychologist/counselor for emotional support and therapy. I only expect my pdoc to dispense the right medications properly. Most pdocs are not psychologists. Their training is different.
Posted by kazoo on June 6, 2000, at 10:50:50
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 2:37:24
> Kazoo,
>
> My mother is livid. Neither she nor I intend to tell my sister (who is bipolar and sometimes suicidal), since we're afraid she might go off the deep end. After all, he did this to me ... he could easily do it to her. However, if he has any sense he won't mention my name again.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How are you sure that he's not doing this to your sister, but she's too distressed to recognize, much less understand, the import of his actions?
How effective a physician can this person be if he willy-nilly discharges you simply because he cannot "control" you?
Remember: he can do more damage than good. I'd get her away from this guy ASAP.
Also, I thought it wasn't an accepted practice for psychiatrists to treat members of the same family? I don't know of any who do this.kazoo
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 11:59:17
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2), posted by kazoo on June 6, 2000, at 10:50:50
> How are you sure that he's not doing this to your sister, but she's too distressed to recognize, much less understand, the import of his actions?
Kazoo, I don't know that since he has never discussed her with me, except to say that her problems are worse than mine.
> How effective a physician can this person be if he willy-nilly discharges you simply because he cannot "control" you?
He's a "mature" man, probably in his early 60s. (According to his internet bio, he graduated in 1958.) He couldn't "control" me like he has my sister (who is afraid of him), but I always listened when he gave me good advice, which unfortunately wasn't that often.
> Remember: he can do more damage than good. I'd get her away from this guy ASAP.
It's not my decision. If my mother can find another pdoc for my sis, I expect she will. I'll respect whatever decision they make; however, if they decide to keep him, I won't want to hear anything more about him.
> Also, I thought it wasn't an accepted practice for psychiatrists to treat members of the same family? I don't know of any who do this.
You're probably right, but my sister lives in a different city with my mother. I live alone in Tampa (we're both single). Also, our problems are totally different, hers being much more severe than mine. Doesn't mean my problems aren't important to me, but then again, I've never been Baker Acted nor tried to kill myself. And I certainly wouldn't go over the edge because of this ... I wouldn't give my ex-pdoc the satisfaction.
Snowie
Posted by Greg on June 6, 2000, at 12:16:49
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2), posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 11:59:17
Snowie,
Sorry to intrude here, but I was curious. What does Baker Acted mean? It's a term I've never heard before.
Greg
Posted by kazoo on June 6, 2000, at 16:13:00
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2), posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 11:59:17
> > How are you sure that he's not doing this to your sister, but she's too distressed to recognize, much less understand, the import of his actions?
>
> Kazoo, I don't know that since he has never discussed her with me, except to say that her problems are worse than mine.
>
> > How effective a physician can this person be if he willy-nilly discharges you simply because he cannot "control" you?
>
> He's a "mature" man, probably in his early 60s. (According to his internet bio, he graduated in 1958.) He couldn't "control" me like he has my sister (who is afraid of him), but I always listened when he gave me good advice, which unfortunately wasn't that often.
>
> > Remember: he can do more damage than good. I'd get her away from this guy ASAP.
>
> It's not my decision. If my mother can find another pdoc for my sis, I expect she will. I'll respect whatever decision they make; however, if they decide to keep him, I won't want to hear anything more about him.
>
> > Also, I thought it wasn't an accepted practice for psychiatrists to treat members of the same family? I don't know of any who do this.
>
> You're probably right, but my sister lives in a different city with my mother. I live alone in Tampa (we're both single). Also, our problems are totally different, hers being much more severe than mine. Doesn't mean my problems aren't important to me, but then again, I've never been Baker Acted nor tried to kill myself. And I certainly wouldn't go over the edge because of this ... I wouldn't give my ex-pdoc the satisfaction.
>
> Snowie
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Snowie, my dear,>>"He's a "mature" man, ..."
(For the lack of a better word, I suppose.)
A "mature" man doesn't intimidate people simply because they know more than he does.
A "mature" man make people fear him.
A "mature" man isn't a control freak.
A "mature" man doesn't dole out good advice selectively.And this guy is a "doctor"?
I'm sorry, Snowie, but I disagree with you whole-heartedly about having Sis still
see him.>>" ... if they decide to keep him, I won't want to hear anything more about him."
And, by all means, stay on top of the situation and monitor what's going on.
I wouldn't throw caution to the wind in this situation!kazoo
Posted by Archangel on June 6, 2000, at 16:33:10
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2) » Snowie, posted by Greg on June 6, 2000, at 12:16:49
> Snowie,
>
> Sorry to intrude here, but I was curious. What does Baker Acted mean? It's a term I've never heard before.
>
> Greg_________________________________________________
Greg,
I don't know all of the legalities but I do have a friend in Florida who was "Baker Acted" a few years ago. Apparently, someone can claim you are a threat to yourself and have you locked up for a few days of psychiatric observation.
Here's my buddy's story: His ex-girlfriend and a coconspirator "Baker Acted" him out of some very vicious spite. It happened on a Friday night and it took him all weekend to find a judge who would spring him :)
I think the Baker Act is a Florida phenomenon. Perhaps someone out there will fill us in on the specifics of who, what, where, when and how.
Best regards,
Archangel (Michael)
Posted by Archangel on June 6, 2000, at 16:40:28
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2) » Snowie, posted by Greg on June 6, 2000, at 12:16:49
> Snowie,
>
> Sorry to intrude here, but I was curious. What does Baker Acted mean? It's a term I've never heard before.
>
> Greg_________________________________________________
Greg, regarding my previous post in this thread:
I should have said I don't know *ANY* of the legalities of the Baker Act. Saying that I don't know "all" of them implies that I know something, which clearly I do not :) All I have is hearsay information. ~ Archangel (Michael)
Posted by Greg on June 6, 2000, at 17:26:42
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2) » Greg, posted by Archangel on June 6, 2000, at 16:40:28
> > Snowie,
> >
> > Sorry to intrude here, but I was curious. What does Baker Acted mean? It's a term I've never heard before.
> >
> > Greg
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Greg, regarding my previous post in this thread:
> I should have said I don't know *ANY* of the legalities of the Baker Act. Saying that I don't know "all" of them implies that I know something, which clearly I do not :) All I have is hearsay information. ~ Archangel (Michael)Arch,
What I like most about Babble is that I learn something new everyday. Thanks for responding. I'm now a day older....and smarter.
Greg
Posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 19:10:10
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc? (2) » Snowie, posted by Greg on June 6, 2000, at 12:16:49
Greg,
Sorry ... I'm in Florida. I forgot the Baker Act is a Florida legislative creation, not Federal. My sister was Baker Acted by a law enforcement officer when she took a truckload of pain killers and sleeping pills last year. If you're interested, you can copy and paste the URL below which explains more about Florida's Baker Act.
Snowie
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/citizen/documents/statutes/1997/ch0394/E463__.HTM#0394.463
>Snowie,
>Sorry to intrude here, but I was curious. What does Baker Acted mean? It's a term I've never heard before.
>
> Greg
Posted by Dave A on June 6, 2000, at 20:23:44
In reply to Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 5, 2000, at 21:03:43
> After 5 years, the receptionist in my pdoc's office told me today that my pdoc would be discontinuing his services to me. In a word, I was shocked, and after I hung up the telephone I began to cry, probably from the fear of abandonment more than anything else. Actually, I should have fired him years ago, but I didn't because of our long association. It's strange, but I never felt like he really understood me nor cared ... obviously, I know now that he didn't. I've heard of people firing their pdocs, but I've never heard of a pdoc firing a patient. I know this too shall pass and he probably was doing me a favor, but I'm feeling extremely vulnerable right now. Was the fact that I research the internet really so imtimidating? He was so nasty toward the end, and every question of mine was followed by some sarcastic "ask your internet friends" type response. Paul, I certainly understand what you went through now. I guess surviving and doing well is the best revenge, but first I have to find a replacement. It's also a little awkward since my sister still uses him, and I don't want to jeopardize her relationship with him. At the same time, I don't want him to know anything further about me, and I don't want to know anything further about him. Anybody experience anything like this before?
>
> Snowie
Hi:I have had this dismissal experience several times in the past, although in a more subtle, nicer manner.
Mainly, the doctor is too dumb to understand how
to treat my situation which I believe is fairly
straight forward. One thing I've learned is that the two main things most important things to a doctor are getting paid and not getting sued.
They really don't care if you get better or not.There are exceptions, of course, and these are the
doctors you should try to find. Also, I think
psychiatrists are a better bet than psychologists.
It is much easier to become a psychologis,
and thus psychiatrists are more likely to be
intelligent, and understand how to treat your
problem. I mention this because, once I went to
a psychologist, and he greatly exacerbated my
problem because he didn't know what he was doing.Luck,
Dave
Posted by Janice on June 6, 2000, at 23:20:54
In reply to Re: Anybody been fired by their pdoc?, posted by Snowie on June 6, 2000, at 1:42:48
Hi Snowie,
Well I don't know you well, but you sound much better today. I can easily see how strong your personality is.
I was reading your postings to everyone, and this guy sounds so much like the psychiatrist I saw--even their ages are the same. Maybe at one time, the criticizing and making fun of patients, was some kind of official therapy. And these two never got over it.
I agree it's not appropriate for a pdoc to hug their patients or to inappropriately talk about sex.
Now you sound good and you say you don't want to sue or report him. I got quite a bit of satisfaction screaming at him (he was so shook-up, it took him 3 tries to write my lithium prescription). I also got satisfaction from both my family doctor and new pdoc telling me that I was right, and what he did was wrong (he actually lied). I also got satisfaction from reporting him to the College of Surgeons and Physicians.
But if you are fine, you are fine. You will probably be very pleasantly surprised with your next pdoc. THe other pdoc I've had never had anything but my best interest at hand.
I hope you find someone like this Snowie.
Janice
Posted by Kim on June 7, 2000, at 0:40:40
In reply to It's all about the Benjamins, posted by Rockets on June 6, 2000, at 9:54:20
> I think we should set our expectations a little more realistically. pdocs are trained medication dispensers who make quite a bit of money to do that. Sometimes you get lucky and find one that is more than that. They usually charge more too. I personally use a really good pre-qualified psychologist/counselor for emotional support and therapy. I only expect my pdoc to dispense the right medications properly. Most pdocs are not psychologists. Their training is different.
Rockets--That's why I fired my Pdoc. I was only seeing him for "medication management," but he was still a jerk. He once told me I should work with my therapist on my "psychotic delusions"--which was his interpretation of my comment that I didn't feel like I should do something fun unless my house was clean. (Obsessive, maybe, but not psychotic or delusional.)
But the final straw was that he did NOT prescribe my medication correctly. He told me to take temazepam up to three times a day. He thought it was an anti-anxiety, and it's a sleeping pill. Fortunately my pharmacist caught the error.
I think you're right, it must be about money. The information sheet he gave me on my first visit said that his office "chooses not to handle emergencies," and was limited to patients who were not "seriously disturbed." In other words, the easy bucks.
Posted by Snowie on June 7, 2000, at 6:54:44
In reply to Re: It's all about the Benjamins, posted by Kim on June 7, 2000, at 0:40:40
Rockets and Kim,
What's wrong with wanting it all? I understand that most pdocs are nothing more than med dispensers because that's what the insurance companies require them to be. However, not all pdocs are willing or content to be puppets of the insurance industry. And pdocs ARE trained in therapy, but many forego that aspect of their training because they can make more money by dispensing meds for patients who constantly march in and out, much like an assembly line. My ex-pdoc saw me for 10 minutes every other month or so. How can any pdoc know what meds a patient needs in that amount of time? IMHO, he can't ... only a pdoc who has spent TIME listening and conversing with a patient can correctly identify the problems of the patient in order to prescribe the proper meds for that individual. For the rest of the pdocs, it's just a hit or miss proposition, which seems to be forcing many of us to research our own meds. Also, although it is about money in general, my pdoc's bills were always paid in full at every visit. He got his ... I'm still wondering what I got.
Snowie
> > I think we should set our expectations a little more realistically. pdocs are trained medication dispensers who make quite a bit of money to do that. Sometimes you get lucky and find one that is more than that. They usually charge more too. I personally use a really good pre-qualified psychologist/counselor for emotional support and therapy. I only expect my pdoc to dispense the right medications properly. Most pdocs are not psychologists. Their training is different.
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> Rockets--That's why I fired my Pdoc. I was only seeing him for "medication management," but he was still a jerk. He once told me I should work with my therapist on my "psychotic delusions"--which was his interpretation of my comment that I didn't feel like I should do something fun unless my house was clean. (Obsessive, maybe, but not psychotic or delusional.)
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> But the final straw was that he did NOT prescribe my medication correctly. He told me to take temazepam up to three times a day. He thought it was an anti-anxiety, and it's a sleeping pill. Fortunately my pharmacist caught the error.
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> I think you're right, it must be about money. The information sheet he gave me on my first visit said that his office "chooses not to handle emergencies," and was limited to patients who were not "seriously disturbed." In other words, the easy bucks.
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