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Posted by claire7 on May 15, 2000, at 22:00:43
Though I've only been eavesdropping on this site for a couple weeks, my impression may be of interest to the general babble. I offer it only as a perception from afar--(I am myself always interested in new perceptions of my familiar world, a world I have too often become too lazy to perceive afresh.)
I was chilled to the bone by the eviction of "fred"--so sudden, so lightening-bolt-like. Where was this witnessing, evicting god when fred was feeling "discounted", "invisible"? (these are his own words, back when he was being nice, and friendly, and offering an honest, heartfelt expression of his pain).
Why didn't this god step in and mediate, calm down the
discourse, HELP somebody? Instead, he waits, judges, casts out the unruly offender.I began,after this episode, to wonder who is this dr.bob? What exactly are his motives, his interests?
It is unspeakably sad to me that a troubled person whose style is uncomfortable for others can be summarily kicked out of discourse with the people he/she might reasonably expect to be most understanding. Where then does he/she go? Haven't we learned anything from history, recent or otherwise?
I am probably overreacting (I have a penchant for that),but this has been haunting me ever since I read "dr bob"'s terse intervention, and I didn't think I could quit this site until I had at least expressed my deep misgivings about what I've experienced here. Now I think I can leave, and won't be back.
Posted by Mark H. on May 15, 2000, at 23:16:36
In reply to Dr. God, posted by claire7 on May 15, 2000, at 22:00:43
> I was chilled to the bone by the eviction of "fred"--so sudden, so lightening-bolt-like.
What part of "please be civil" was unclear to you, Claire? Those who are not capable of civility are not allowed to post. It's simple, it's direct, and it works for 99% of the people who enjoy the privilege of using this site as a forum for learning and sharing, for getting and giving support.
You are clearly civil, and you are welcome to participate. Projecting your fears on Dr. Bob was a bit silly, in my opinion, given the short time you've been lurking and the finality of your decision, but I'm still sorry to lose your input. I think I could have learned a thing or two from you.
If you find a better, more active, more informed, and better moderated mental health forum on the internet, please be sure to come back and let us all know. This is the best I know of.
Hope you change your mind and stay.
Best wishes,
Mark H.
Posted by Cam W. on May 15, 2000, at 23:28:28
In reply to Dr. God, posted by claire7 on May 15, 2000, at 22:00:43
Claire - I hope you aren't truly gone. Lurkers are cool when they finally post.This is Dr.Bob's (and, I believe, the U of Chicago) website, not a public domain. Recently we have had a few disturbed persons (other than ourselves) post some rather derogatory statements. Many of us e-mailed Dr.Bob to distraction trying to get rid of these persons. I just think that he does not want a repeat performance (Fred did say some very nasty things, for which he did not apologize). Dr.Bob usually gives a warning shot over the bow before blocking, but I guess he thought Fred stepped over that invisible line.
I too, have been slapped on the wrist by Dr.Bob. I guess that means I am on probation right now. (How many demerit points is it for sarcasm?). Anyway, I do not feel that Dr.Bob was wrong in chastizing me, but I did not go as far as Fred and attack a person, just her sources of information (or so I thought).
We have a little community here and we all try to be supportive. It is just lately that the atmosphere has changed a bit (at least for me). I think that there are more direct challenges, rather than thoughtful debate, than there has in the past. This could have been what Dr.Bob reacted to, as well.
I am relatively new here myself and maybe my feelings are tainted with a bit of paranoia, but I do like and appreciate the supportive people who frequent this site. I hope you do stay. (God, - no pun intended - I am starting to sound like a cultist).
Sincerely - Cam
Posted by bob on May 15, 2000, at 23:57:28
In reply to Re: Claire, Get a Grip, posted by Mark H. on May 15, 2000, at 23:16:36
Now Mark, when you go pointing fingers, there's always three pointing back at you.
Give Claire a break for being someone who's probably new to this. As she said herself, she's mostly been lurking. There are a lot of folks out there who never do more than that. Even as "anonymous" as this may seem, and as gregarious as some of us may act, you've got to take a step back and ask yourself about how those who *do* lurk or who *are* new to this form of communication see things -- especially frequent (and long-winded) posters like you and me, Mark.
I personally hated to see Fred blocked as well. Although his statements did get malicious, I think he was too focused on his own pain and experiences to recognize what was going on. And, quite frankly, none of us who knew better did anything to stop it (Janice, as a participant, doesn't count as part of the "none of us"). Sure, maybe stepping in to try and referee things may have made no difference in what was said. All the same, it wasn't done.
I do think it sends a chilling message to those who have been waiting to test the waters. From my perspective, it was easy enough to understand WHY it HAD to happen, but I've been active on this board for a year now. I've also participated in similar sorts of boards going back to discussion groups on mainframes for the last 15 years. I've seen a lot of ugliness perpetuated because no one stepped in to take action.
Perhaps one of us should have jumped in to stop the escalation. Last time I did that, I was appointed the board's "self-appointed referee" ... so maybe I hesitated in a situation that I thought could have been stopped. I'm not saying I feel all that guilty about the end result. But I *am* saying that maybe part of being compassionate here is for us to step in before Dr. Bob *has* to take action.
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To Claire, and others who may feel as she does:
You can visit other web boards that are supposed to be "support groups." In many, if not most, you'll find character assassination and indiscriminant flaming to be common. We had an episode just a short time ago when someone known from other boards tried to spread some of his own brand of nasty here. That was the event, from my point of view, that initiated the registration system and the blocking policy.
People who have been around to other boards on the web have called this a haven BECAUSE people are civil here. Sure, things *do* get heated at times, but by far the majority of those times end in people apologizing, citing crankiness from meds to just plain stupidity.
And, for those who haven't been here long, you can either take my word for it or go back in the archives and read for yourself: Dr. Bob is extremely hands-off when it comes to moderating this board. For him to take such an action, the cause HAD to be extreme. (I imagine that's why Mark thought certain statements made recently were "silly".) Plus, if you've been around long enough to get to know him from his own posts, you'd know that this sort of extreme measure is the last thing in the world that he would want to do.
I'm sure he's "lost more sleep" over it than any of us have.
All the same, go to the top of the main Babble page and read the ground rules. We're all guests here -- this is not Herald's Square or something of the sort. Our host works his tail off to maintain this board -- if you can't imagine how hard, try it yourself sometime ... learn HTML, learn JavaScript, learn Perl, then run this show, and don't forget that this is in addition to your regular job -- so I think the least we can do is to honor his wishes when it comes to civility.
... and maybe some cooler heads should step in when the next heated situation arises -- BEFORE Dr. Bob has to take action.
my two cents,
bob
Posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 0:30:07
In reply to Re: Claire, Get a Grip, posted by Mark H. on May 15, 2000, at 23:16:36
The part where people with incomes in excess of $100,000 are allowed to define civility was unclear to me Mark.
Please explain to all us us out here on the street why Robert Hsiung, MD, DRUG PUSHER, is allowed to deal drugs and why his legal medical industry is allowed to force people who only need a safe, affordable home, why is his industry allowed to force those people to take his pathetic heckle/jyde formulas while people who live in South Central LA whose great grandparents were forcibly brought to provide labor are then forcibly locked away for life in a California penal institution for selling virtually identical aminergic agents with no more reason that the GOOD DOCTOR had, the GOOD DOCTOR's advice based on TEACHER's statements that JOHNNY WON'T SIT STILL IN CLASS.
How about we apply some of the civic lessons in nuclear science first studied in the metallurgy lab of the university of chicago. Would that be a definition of civility with which we can all agree?
And while you are at it, explain to us why the University of Chicago, founded by John D. Rockeffeler who made his fortune monopolizing the oil industry then endowed this university which in turn advocates the GOOD DOCTORS monopoly to DEAL DRUGS explain to us why they have a moral right to discriminate when it comes to free speech....
Posted by JohnB on May 16, 2000, at 2:17:40
In reply to Dr. God, posted by claire7 on May 15, 2000, at 22:00:43
>I am myself always interested in new perceptions
>Now I think I can leave, and won't be back.
Hey Claire, how do can you make those two statements in the same post? Either you're interested in new perceptions or not. Or are you only interested in preconceived perceptions, ones that match your idea of how a board should work.
>I've only been eavesdropping on this site for a couple weeks
Hey Claire! There's people that have been here for years! Do you think they much care whether or not YOU approve of the board. If you were here two years your opinion would carry some weight, but two WEEKS?
>I began,after this episode, to wonder who is this dr.bob? What exactly are his motives, his interests?
Hey Claire! Listen up! A quick look around Dr. Bob's site would give ya that info in a jiffy. Or were we supposed to conjure up an image of Dr.Bob as a some sort of weirdo at the sound of that insinuating jive.
>Now I think I can leave, and won't be back.
Claire. Gee, sorry you won't be back. Don't let door bang yer backside on the way out.
Posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 2:46:07
In reply to Re: Won't Be Back? Aw shucks!, posted by JohnB on May 16, 2000, at 2:17:40
Hey, Robert Hsiung, are you gonna censor JohnB for his rude insensitive statements to Claire7?
I lied when I said I was off your site. I recently sat through a murder trial and the judge said, from the bench, "Cops can lie."
Well, guess what? I lied. I'm back and I will continue to dog this site until I get the sense that open free speech is tolerated here.
Maybe you can set up some new blocking methods, but guess what? I can get free ISP numbers that will require you to block all of AOL, all of MSN, and all of several other nationwide free internet providers.
Then guess what? I can travel the country, living from my backpack, going from library to library using public systems, infiltrating University computer labs, whatever it takes.
BTW, if I was not simply struggling for free speech - If I really intended to vandalize your drug dealing corner here, there are several other tecnhniques, ranging from responding to every post on every thread, to hacking into your server. I am simply using the resources you offer in a legal struggle for free open dialogue. Kill me if you can.
Its a new generation - the PEPSI (aminergic agent) generation, and I am here to teach civic lessons!
Posted by JohnB on May 16, 2000, at 4:33:35
In reply to Re: Won't Be Back? Aw shucks!, posted by JohnB on May 16, 2000, at 2:17:40
To all;
Sorry if I got overexcited. Don't like to see this board and Dr.Bob demeaned. Hope I didn't upset ya'all. One person I know I didn't offend was the "Now I think I can leave, and won't be back" lady. Sorry, -I know, shutup already. Well - gotta go - appointment over at the mosh-pit.
Posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 7:03:37
In reply to I'm BA~A~CK!!!!! Cops can lie!!!!, posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 2:46:07
> Maybe you can set up some new blocking methods, but guess what? I can get free ISP numbers that will require you to block all of AOL, all of MSN, and all of several other nationwide free internet providers.
>
> Then guess what? I can travel the country, living from my backpack, going from library to library using public systems, infiltrating University computer labs, whatever it takes.
I am simply using the resources you offer in a legal struggle for free open dialogue. Kill me if you can.
I am here to teach civic lessons!boBB - Do you really want to destroy a site that helps so many people, just because you have a cause (agenda?) you want heard?
(sigh!) - Cam
Posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 9:51:59
In reply to Re: I'm BA~A~CK!!!!! Cops can lie!!!!, posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 7:03:37
yes
Posted by harry b. on May 16, 2000, at 10:19:37
In reply to I'm BA~A~CK!!!!! Cops can lie!!!!, posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 2:46:07
> Well, guess what? I lied. I'm back and I will continue to dog this site until I get the sense that open free speech is tolerated here.
>boBB- I'm glad to see that you are still here. Your
'agenda' is a noble crusade that you feel strongly
about. I applaud your commitment.Your posts in the past have been erudite, sometimes
funny, but always thought provoking. You were respected
and even admired here. I would like to read more
posts from you in that vein.I must disagree with your current attacks and stated
methods to further your cause. Cyber-terrorism is
the realm of miscreants. If you want to get your
message out, if you want to rant and rave, if you
want to educate and send out a wake-up call, then
please use the venue you've used in the past. There
IS a lot of latitude here for differing opinions.Personal attacks and vendettas will accomplish little.
Regards,
harry
Posted by Mark H. on May 16, 2000, at 10:27:52
In reply to Grip this..., posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 0:30:07
...and I consider him my conscience as well. I don't always agree with boBB, but I'm ALWAYS interested in what he has to say, and I ALWAYS think about it -- even when I'd rather not.
boBB barks pretty hard at me and others, but he's very civil in his intent even as he pushes the boundaries of language, and he both speaks from pain and understands other people's pain, and he knows he's a gadfly, and he's willing to tempt expulsion, but the truth is, I believe, that even when he is pissed to the gills, he's still writing from compassion, not only for the person he's defending, but also for the person he's seemingly flaming. At least that has been my experience with him, especially when I've been a jerk.
I believe that boBB deserves a special pass here, rather like the "court jester" who speaks the truth in Shakespeare, or the shamanistic wounded healer, whose dance and outrageousness is tolerated because it alone speaks for the other side in each of us. I don't know of any other person on this board who fulfills that role.
boBB's presence here is unique because he is not mentally ill, yet he suffers much of what those of us who are suffer. He consistently, persistently asks the same questions, over and over, not because he likes to hear himself talk, but because he wants everyone to consider the possibility that they are not ill either, or that if they are, it is not an aberration.
I'm so average I can hardly stand it -- I'm the perfect member of a focus group. Because I'm a boomer, raised in the San Fernando Valley during the 50s and 60s, my unchallenged concepts and opinions -- like it or not -- represent those of tens of millions of people across the country. I'm a democrat who re-registered republican in order to claim to be a "republican for" women's rights, civil rights, environmental rights. I've had it with most of my fellow democrats. I don't care who's having sex with Clinton -- I only care that he didn't produce the nationwide depression-style work for everyone who wants it corps he promised, that he let paramilitary units attack an occupied church and burn it to the ground with women and children inside when any other denomination would have been handled lawyer-to-lawyer with no physical confrontation at all, and that he doesn't get the difference between "process" and "content," allowing civil rights to be steadily eroded while increasing the absurd repressiveness of political correctness, to the great detriment especially of the generation behind us. Gore is a bore and none too bright, but he's going to be our next president, thanks to the Republicans' choice of candidate.
Whoops! Perhaps I've lost the distinction of process and content in this post! I mean to say, there always needs to be someone who says,
"Get a Grip!" and there always needs to be someone who says, "Grip This!" boBB's a nice balance to my arrogance and presumption.Much love,
Mark
Posted by Chris A. on May 16, 2000, at 10:49:15
In reply to Re: boBB is my friend..., posted by Mark H. on May 16, 2000, at 10:27:52
I came here for support and to be of what little support I can be to others. When one is suicidally depressed, political issues and flaming aren't of much help. I believe in free speech, but also have a great appreciation for gentlemen, respect for others, kindness, yes, and civility. There is a time and place to fight for your beliefs, but perhaps this is not the appropriate forum. Maybe I ought to throw my computer in the trash. The net is obviously no place for people in pain.
Have mercy, please.
Chris A.
Posted by Noa on May 16, 2000, at 11:13:05
In reply to Re: boBB is my friend..., posted by Mark H. on May 16, 2000, at 10:27:52
Mark, when I read your post, what I felt was that you were expressing something that you are probably not alone in-----the masochist's position. There are probably a number of us here who have such tendencies and who get something out of having someone like boBB rant and rave his outrageous conspiratorial theories and make us "THINK", ie, allow us to doubt our own desire for civility and reason.
I'm sorry, but this is not a radical philosophy discussion board, and I do not agree that boBB has been civil. To me, many of his posts feel like harassment.
I have stayed out of most of the discussion about Fred's ouster, because of the acrid tone that has pervaded much of it. Here is my opinion: I found Fred's plight to be painful, but he did get out of hand in how he expressed his frustration at not being understood. What he said was clearly beyond the acceptable boundaries of this board. However, I did feel he was ousted very quickly, whereas others in the past have had more warning. Perhaps another official warning would have been in order.
What puzzles me though, is how this issue of Fred's ouster has been commandeered by one angry poster armed with paranoid ideas and an axe to grind that is clearly beyond the scope of this bulletin board. I don't know if Fred is boBB is Fred Stone is whoever, but it seems the whole thing has just gotten out of control, especially since boBB has now gone beyond the threads that are ABOUT this subject and started harassing people like Abby who have disclosed highly sensitive personal accounts of their suffering. That kind of invasion into other threads to harass people is over the top. That is why I have broken my silence and spoken out now. I just won't stand for people feeling they can wield their obnoxious manners willy nilly to hurt people on this board.
As you can tell I am angry. I am enraged. I wish everyone would stop being so lightfooted with boBB and stop playing the masochist to his sadist.
Posted by dove on May 16, 2000, at 16:21:26
In reply to Re: boBB is my friend..., posted by Noa on May 16, 2000, at 11:13:05
I do not care whether boBB is two or five personalities on this board. However, I do care when someone is very rough, cruel, mean-spirited, and completely 100% out of line. boBB may have had a number of great thought-provoking points, but they are totally drowned by his brutish manner and crass voice.
Whether it's emailing a bunch of people with his agenda, flaunting his superiority and supposed knowledge against another HURTING board member, or swinging sucker-punches at the person who GAVE us this board; his attitude is reflected in his virtual actions and these constitute virtual and real *harassment*.
Harassment, by definition reflects an offensive or attack upon those who are oppressed, or vulnerable.
This is the behavior of a predator, not the prey. His threats are just that, threats, and should NOT be ignored. boBB is a hunter with an axe to grind, he is on the look-out for victims, otherwise, he would not respond with threats that identify him as such.
Where's those Cyber-Angels when you need one. Very sad indeed.
dove
Posted by Alan on May 16, 2000, at 17:34:55
In reply to boBB is a predator., posted by dove on May 16, 2000, at 16:21:26
> I do not care whether boBB is two or five personalities on this board. However, I do care when someone is very rough, cruel, mean-spirited, and completely 100% out of line. boBB may have had a number of great thought-provoking points, but they are totally drowned by his brutish manner and crass voice.
>
> Whether it's emailing a bunch of people with his agenda, flaunting his superiority and supposed knowledge against another HURTING board member, or swinging sucker-punches at the person who GAVE us this board; his attitude is reflected in his virtual actions and these constitute virtual and real *harassment*.
>
> Harassment, by definition reflects an offensive or attack upon those who are oppressed, or vulnerable.
>
> This is the behavior of a predator, not the prey. His threats are just that, threats, and should NOT be ignored. boBB is a hunter with an axe to grind, he is on the look-out for victims, otherwise, he would not respond with threats that identify him as such.
>
> Where's those Cyber-Angels when you need one. Very sad indeed.
>
> dove
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Here, here dove. Well said indeeed!!!Alan
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Posted by tina on May 16, 2000, at 18:28:49
In reply to Re: boBB is a predator., posted by Alan on May 16, 2000, at 17:34:55
"Let him, who is without sin, cast the first stone"
> I do not care whether boBB is two or five personalities on this board. However, I do care when someone is very rough, cruel, mean-spirited, and completely 100% out of line. boBB may have had a number of great thought-provoking points, but they are totally drowned by his brutish manner and crass voice.
> >
> > Whether it's emailing a bunch of people with his agenda, flaunting his superiority and supposed knowledge against another HURTING board member, or swinging sucker-punches at the person who GAVE us this board; his attitude is reflected in his virtual actions and these constitute virtual and real *harassment*.
> >
> > Harassment, by definition reflects an offensive or attack upon those who are oppressed, or vulnerable.
> >
> > This is the behavior of a predator, not the prey. His threats are just that, threats, and should NOT be ignored. boBB is a hunter with an axe to grind, he is on the look-out for victims, otherwise, he would not respond with threats that identify him as such.
> >
> > Where's those Cyber-Angels when you need one. Very sad indeed.
> >
> > dove
> ************************
> Here, here dove. Well said indeeed!!!
>
> Alan
> ****************************
Posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 18:51:36
In reply to Re: Cops can lie!!!!, posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 9:51:59
why?
Posted by Elizabeth on May 22, 2000, at 4:48:51
In reply to Grip this..., posted by boBB on May 16, 2000, at 0:30:07
> The part where people with incomes in excess of $100,000 are allowed to define civility was unclear to me Mark.
I don't get this thing you have about class warfare. None of the poor people I've ever known (including those who were homeless, mentally ill, and/or both) was a fraction badly behaved as this Fred fellow, and certainly I've known some rich folks who weren't the politest. I have no idea what Fred's income is, if he has an income. He is not "acting like a poor person;" he is acting like a jerk, and contrary to what you may believe, most poor people are not jerks.
Socioeconomic class is neither an excuse nor an explanation for bad behavior.
> Please explain to all us us out here on the street why Robert Hsiung, MD, DRUG PUSHER
That would be a cool door plate. (Although I still think "PORN KING" would be cooler.)
Posted by grannybabble on May 22, 2000, at 13:49:58
In reply to Re: Grip this..., posted by Elizabeth on May 22, 2000, at 4:48:51
>
> > Please explain to all us us out here on the street why Robert Hsiung, MD, DRUG PUSHER
>
> That would be a cool door plate. (Although I still think "PORN KING" would be cooler.)((((((((((((((((((((((((((Elizabeth))))))))))))))))))
Honey, are you off your medication? Mentally ill people (if you consider yourself mentally ill) often lack the insight to realize their comments are inappropriate. Please see your Pdoc soon!
Love and hugs-granny
Posted by Adam on May 22, 2000, at 20:20:04
In reply to Re: DR HSUING PORNO KING, posted by grannybabble on May 22, 2000, at 13:49:58
Irony can be engaging and provocative. Sardonic goading is a bore.> >
> > > Please explain to all us us out here on the street why Robert Hsiung, MD, DRUG PUSHER
> >
> > That would be a cool door plate. (Although I still think "PORN KING" would be cooler.)
>
> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((Elizabeth))))))))))))))))))
>
> Honey, are you off your medication? Mentally ill people (if you consider yourself mentally ill) often lack the insight to realize their comments are inappropriate. Please see your Pdoc soon!
>
> Love and hugs-granny
Posted by boBB on May 22, 2000, at 21:21:33
In reply to Re: Grip this..., posted by Elizabeth on May 22, 2000, at 4:48:51
I see were not yet ready to let flowers grow on this little battlefield...
Perhaps some time reading Chomsky would help you better understand the conflicts that arise over definitions of appropriate behavior. If you have no time for that, maybe watching such behavior on television (Married with children? Homicide? Most HBO flicks?)would be less threatening to you than witnessing it in an interactive forum such as this. Whatever. I trust you are not a person who would long remain in one of the environents such as south central LA where that kind of behavior is pervasive. And I doubt if you could long stand, as I have, in the midst of an angry racist mob, attempting to understand, or at least derail, their rage. I wonder how we can ever submlimate these emotions if we do not first accept them as expressive of some legitimate need?
For my part, I will stand with the radicals. My insight sometimes helps them find their way back into the community of civilized actors, and my experience sometimes allows me to help them better articulate their concerns in language the masses better understand.
... cause I'm not the only one.
I hope someday you'll join us,
and the wo~o~rld will live as one.
Posted by Adam on May 23, 2000, at 0:26:01
In reply to Hold me tight, but don't break me..., posted by boBB on May 22, 2000, at 21:21:33
The Chomsky Reader sits next to Karnow's Vietnam, a History on my bookshelf.
I can't approach their intelligence (Chomsky's a hell of a linguist, to boot), but I think both men would agree with me if I said the battlefield is a stupid place.
So what's the attraction?
> I see were not yet ready to let flowers grow on this little battlefield...
>
> Perhaps some time reading Chomsky would help you better understand the conflicts that arise over definitions of appropriate behavior. If you have no time for that, maybe watching such behavior on television (Married with children? Homicide? Most HBO flicks?)would be less threatening to you than witnessing it in an interactive forum such as this. Whatever. I trust you are not a person who would long remain in one of the environents such as south central LA where that kind of behavior is pervasive. And I doubt if you could long stand, as I have, in the midst of an angry racist mob, attempting to understand, or at least derail, their rage. I wonder how we can ever submlimate these emotions if we do not first accept them as expressive of some legitimate need?
>
> For my part, I will stand with the radicals. My insight sometimes helps them find their way back into the community of civilized actors, and my experience sometimes allows me to help them better articulate their concerns in language the masses better understand.
>
> ... cause I'm not the only one.
> I hope someday you'll join us,
> and the wo~o~rld will live as one.
Posted by boBB on May 23, 2000, at 1:10:12
In reply to Re: Hold me tight, but don't break me..., posted by Adam on May 23, 2000, at 0:26:01
Cover me. I'm gonna try to help this guy. Just keep there heads down if you can, but do what you gotta do. I want to get back alive.
(conversation overheard between medic and rifleman)
Posted by dls on May 24, 2000, at 14:02:28
In reply to Re: DR HSUING PORNO KING, posted by Adam on May 22, 2000, at 20:20:04
>
> Irony can be engaging and provocative. Sardonic goading is a bore.And "egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity" :-)
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