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Posted by CarolAnn on April 15, 2000, at 16:19:22
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 15:13:31
Dr. Bob, I see the need for having the ability to block out disturbing and negative posts. But, I can't help wondering, if you do that, won't it skew the results of the group dynamics studies you were considering?
It seems to me that the simplest way to discourage negative posters, is for no one(at all!) to respond to them in any way. Maybe there could even be a note, just above the "preview" of the post, that states (for newcomers) that negative, disrespectful, posts are not tolerated and will not be replied to.
Just an idea. CarolAnn
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 17:01:02
In reply to Re: blocking posts and group dynamics study?, posted by CarolAnn on April 15, 2000, at 16:19:22
> Dr. Bob, I see the need for having the ability to block out disturbing and negative posts. But, I can't help wondering, if you do that, won't it skew the results of the group dynamics studies you were considering?
I guess so. That would be a limitation of using this site. But it wouldn't mean studies couldn't be done. Depending on what exactly they were looking at. If someone wanted to study negative posting, maybe they would have to go somewhere else! :-)
Bob
Posted by AprilA. on April 15, 2000, at 17:13:38
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 15:13:31
> > there might be people who don't have credit cards or the financial means to pay for participating (perhaps my fellow public library internet users).
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> > world-wide the poor list access to information and ability to express their opinions to others on the internet right up there with clean water, food, shelter, medicine and education.
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> I agree. Maybe one way to address this would be to give everyone a certain number of "free" posts. Like a trial subscription. So they could express their opinions and ask some questions and get some support.
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> > several of the current posters are so knowledgeable that they could charge for their advice and information; they contribute it free out of a sincere desire to help others. It doesn't seem reasonable to expect people to pay to volunteer.
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> > Pay so I can give out free support and info ? Never !
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> I know, it sounds crazy. And this board wouldn't be what it is without a core of active, knowledgeable, and caring posters.
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> I was thinking that people could not be charged if they posted a certain amount. Or that they could even *receive* something. To compensate them for their contributions. Then I thought:
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> What if *everyone* received something? A share of what was generated overall, depending on how much they each chipped in? Minus a percentage or something for me? I kind of like that idea...
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> OK, let's see where this discussion goes. Thanks again for all your input,
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> Bob
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I thought the best part of being here was that everyone was equally valuable. How would you decide who to pay? (If your paying by the word I will send more detailed and much longer post [AAH])And if we were all equal, I would gently try to find out how much you've been sleeping and if you're off your lithium.
I love this place. I think someone should try to get you a MacArthur genuis grant and then you wouldn't have to change anything. A.
Posted by Cass on April 15, 2000, at 17:14:30
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 15:13:31
This board is so idyllic because one can easily access information and support from intelligent, compassionate people. I just want the board to stay the same. I think going to too much trouble because of an occasional disruptive poster is not necessary. The vast majority of the posts are still friendly and sincere. I can ignore the hostility.
Posted by JanetR on April 15, 2000, at 18:46:20
In reply to Cyber-paradise: Don't change it., posted by Cass on April 15, 2000, at 17:14:30
> This board is so idyllic because one can easily access information and support from intelligent, compassionate people. I just want the board to stay the same. I think going to too much trouble because of an occasional disruptive poster is not necessary. The vast majority of the posts are still friendly and sincere. I can ignore the hostility.
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Dear Dr. Bob, I came across this board accidently. I read the posts for a few days and I too was so impressed by the knowledge , intelligence and compassion shown by the contributors that I became hooked. The information I have gathered on the board has enabled me to actively participate in my own treatment.If it weren't for the board I'd either be still receiving inadequate treatment or I would have given up out of sheer frustration. There is no way in which I shall ever be able to express my thanks to those who have helped me. I have become very fond of the members.I feel that everyone who paticipates is genuine. There are no atifices, no pretences. That in itself is remakable.
I never give out my credit card number on the internet so no way would I have paid to join. I think that you are providing a valuable social service .Please don't change. Thank you, Jan
Posted by Renee N on April 15, 2000, at 20:43:15
In reply to possible new registration system, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 7:03:46
Dr. Bob,
I love this site, because of the freedom to post anonimously. I also appreciate your trying to block the hateful posts. Please don't take away our anonimoty. Thank you for always checking for our opinions before making decisions that affect us. I love Babble Land, my fellow Babblers and our fearless leader!!! Renee N
Posted by Sara T. on April 15, 2000, at 21:47:00
In reply to Re: blocking posts and group dynamics study?, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 17:01:02
> > Dr. Bob, I see the need for having the ability to block out disturbing and negative posts. But, I can't help wondering, if you do that, won't it skew the results of the group dynamics studies you were considering?
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> I guess so. That would be a limitation of using this site. But it wouldn't mean studies couldn't be done. Depending on what exactly they were looking at. If someone wanted to study negative posting, maybe they would have to go somewhere else! :-)
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> BobI frequently post on a message board that is for support of families and individuals with Asperger's syndrome called OASIS. The message board and chats are on Delphi. You have to register to enter but there is no fee and no one is limited to the amount or number of posts they can make. there are folders for different sections of interest, such as schools, medications, general discussion, etc.
Recently the person who maintains the board removed a person because she felt the person was looking for information to use in a book or article and she felt that it was important to maintain the integrity of the posters privacy. It was uninamously supported that if anyone wanted to use any of the posts for publication or other research, that permission had to be granted from the users of the board. Many of the posters do use their real names and there is even a section for introductions so that everyone can see where the other posters are from. No personal addresses or other information is exchanged unless the posters wish to do so.
But there as well as here, alot of painful and very personal information is posted. Many times from parents whose children are being hospitalized or in some suicidal crisis. So, the need for support in a place where others understand your trials is crucial to the successful functioning of OASIS. I think the registration process allows the moderator to be able to block those who would be offensive and it doesn't necessarily mean any charges. On the other hand, I don't see very many offensive posts on here.
Just my thoughts.
SaraT.
Posted by Charles Nemeroff on April 15, 2000, at 22:16:21
In reply to possible new registration system, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 7:03:46
Dr. Bob, if you are going to charge for this website you ought to at least UPDATE the tips and tricks section. It is kind of out of date and old. Perhaps add a section on foreign meds there. Maybe add a section dealing specifically with treatment resistant depression. Honestly, your site is not worth being charged for right now.
If you are going to charge for it you ought to at least improve it a lot. I wouldnt pay squat for your site the way it currently exists...it aint worth it.
Pay site? Get real Dr. Bob your website would lose so much traffic you might as well shut it down.
Posted by bob on April 15, 2000, at 23:27:21
In reply to Re: TO DR BOB, posted by Charles Nemeroff on April 15, 2000, at 22:16:21
You know, at the very least, you'll always be able to get their "two cents" out of people now and then.
I imagine that people who don't find anything of value here won't stick around.
Who knows? They may even get offensive. But it, er, "pays" to know your audience ... and I imagine most Babblelanders are much better than the general public at being intrapersionally offensive and at shrugging off the interpersonal offensiveness of others.
Quite frankly, I know no one who can be more injurious to me than myself, and nearly all attempts by others at trying to hurt my feelings get laughed off rather heartily! By the time I stop laughing at the attempts of amateurs, I usually give them some advice on what to say if they *really* wanted to do some damage ... but it never does seem the same to hear the vitriol I fling at myself coming out of the mouths of others -- they just can't get it right. (sigh ... surrounded by rank amateurs ....)
Then again when it comes to payback, Dr. Bob, I'd say that the number of people who have been paid something of value by their participation in this board is inestimable, and the sum of all that wealth incalculable. The currency earned here has nothing to do with the US Mint and, I think most Babblelanders will agree, has some true value to it.
As for **your** compensation -- hey! Whatever happened to altruism?! ;^)
I do think a MacArthur Grant would be appropriate, but until that comes along, maybe you could give us the names and addresses of those who have any decision-making power over your hours, salary, tenure-review, etc. Maybe we could all write to those folks and convince them just how much good running this board (and the rest of your site) does.
One thing I think you should do is to create a Babbleland Bookstore. We've all read all sorts of books on the disorders we deal with ... quite frankly, if I was going to buy Kay Jamison's latest book and I had a choice of where some of the money I spend of the book would go, I would *love* to have some of it redirected into your pocket. I'd even be happy to write a review and let you post it at your discretion, rather than giving my prose to Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble.com or Borders.com or whoever else.com.
Now, as for my two cents on registration...I agree with those who say registration is more hassle than ignoring the occasional village idiot. Well, that was a bit unkind of me ... seeing as such posters are probably far more troubled than the average Babblelander and, in spite of their spite, deserve compassion more than anger. Anyway, using registration to deter them ain't worth it.
If it's demographics you want, then there is a better way as well -- one that preserves true anonymity. Create a form to gather demographic information. Do not include a field that would capture someone's handle or their email address. **Do**, however, have the script that processes the form data write a cookie that simply acknowledges that the poster has filled out the form. The Excite-Harris poll does something similar to make sure people don't post multiple responses (from one machine, that is) to a poll question. Then, you could put a link for it on your home page, on Babble's home page, or any other part of your site that you want. You could point out that no identifying information will be gathered and that the sole purpose for writing the cookie is to note that someone has posted data -- not anything that would tie the data to an individual.
This way, you could even ask us to fill out the form ever 3 months or so, to get an idea of how the demographics change rather than simply adding new folks onto the data heap.
Well, anyway, by now I think I owe you a quarter ... 13 cents of which should be returned to me, 10 cents distributed amongst my fellow Babblelanders, and two cents you can keep for yourself.
cheers,
bob
Posted by Cam W. on April 16, 2000, at 0:15:50
In reply to Re: TO DR BOB, posted by Charles Nemeroff on April 15, 2000, at 22:16:21
> Dr. Bob, if you are going to charge for this website you ought to at least UPDATE the tips and tricks section. It is kind of out of date and old. Perhaps add a section on foreign meds there. Maybe add a section dealing specifically with treatment resistant depression. Honestly, your site is not worth being charged for right now.
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> If you are going to charge for it you ought to at least improve it a lot. I wouldnt pay squat for your site the way it currently exists...it aint worth it.
>
> Pay site? Get real Dr. Bob your website would lose so much traffic you might as well shut it down.* Dr.Nemeroff - First, I'd like to thank you for teaching me the basics of the HPA axis (enough to allow me to dig deeper for a more complete understanding). How about giving some of your vast knowledge on the HPA axis and it's role in some of the affective and neuroendocrine disorders. This could be included in the Tips section. Even a couple of your journal articles (depending on publishing rights, etc.) would be of vast help to many who frequent this site.
I do agree with you that the Tips section needs a far bit of work, but hey, like us, Dr.Bob is probably too busy to research it himself. Guys like you (also Dr.Stan Kutcher, Dr.Herbert Meltzer, Dr.Gary Remington, Dr.Nancy Andreasen, Dr.Stephen Stahl, Dr.J. Calabrese, etc.) could probably reach into your filing cabinets and come up with some pertinent information for this site.
I know that there is no renumeration for this, but I do not think Dr.Bob is being paid to moderate this site as much as he does. You might contribute some of your expertise (eg treatment resistant depression) to the Tips site. Consider it a gesture to help people, like us contributors to Babbleland who are afflicted with a discoupled HPA axis (or other mental malady). After all, if it were not for mental disorders, you might have a job and may be teaching a Fine Arts class at Red Deer College.
I agree with you that there should not be a charge for this site. If there are upkeep costs, perhaps the U of Chicago could help or maybe some philanthropic organization or even the U.S. government. I would not even mind one of those advertisements scrolling across the top of the page (eg 1-900-WHY-LITHIUM).
Thanks for your time and keep up your valuable work. - Sincerely, Cam W.
Posted by Racer on April 16, 2000, at 0:20:34
In reply to possible new registration system, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 7:03:46
It really wouldn't work in this situation, but it you'd like 'em...
Meanwhile, I'd love to know a few things aobut hte people on this board: diagnosis, duration, medications, etc. Age, gender, etc.
Here's an idea: how about offering us a voluntary statistical survey we could fill out to find out how many of us share pathologies and or histories? For example, I'd love to know how many others here suffered emotional or sexual abuse, how many of htose are depressive and how many have other diagnoses, whether most of us have had multiple episodes of depression or bipolar, etc. It might make me feel better to be able to put my experiences into perspective. Does that make sense?
As for registering, I like the idea, though I'm used to being here. I would probably have been frightened away at first, though, when I needed this place the most.
And to all: if you don't want to use your real email address, get a free one like excite mail or hotmail. Easy as pi...
Posted by bob on April 16, 2000, at 1:22:00
In reply to Re: To Dr. Nemeroff, posted by Cam W. on April 16, 2000, at 0:15:50
> * Dr.Nemeroff ...
C'mon, Cam! That cheap shot would be just too unprofessional for an MD/PhD to toss Dr. Bob's way. 1st -- no email address. Too easy to fake the name. 2nd -- Google puts Charles Nemeroff at UNC ... as in LostBoyinNC. Coincidence? I say LostBoy has just found another pseudo. Whadaya think?
Maybe registration is a GOOD thing afterall. Hmmm.
perplexedly,
bob
Posted by JohnL on April 16, 2000, at 1:53:25
In reply to possible new registration system, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 7:03:46
Dr Bob,
I actually like the registration idea. It wouldn't compromise being anonymous at all in the eyes of every participant. But it could provide you valuable information, as you suggested. And it would also tend to weed out the flakes early, and allow cutting the flakes out later if they cause problems. It would create an image of professionalism and formality. And other than the registration process, the board itself would remain unaffected in any way. I like that.In your shoes, I would definitely want to gather the demographic info you suggested. The poster is still anonymous, so no one would lose any privacy. And I would definitely want a reliable easy method to intervene if a troublemaker showed up. A portion of the troublemakers would probably just surf on into the sunset anyway, not wanting to register.
The sample trial thing before registering is also an excellent idea in my opinion. That will allow a newcomer to jump right in, without being scared away by some registration process. In the event they find the board helpful--which we know they surely would--they would then feel comfortable and willing to register. And still remain anonymous. I personally can't see any negatives or downsides to your suggested registration process.
I do however strongly feel though that any ideas of fees should be dismissed immediately. Unlike a registration process, fees would indeed change the entire personality and purpose of the board. This board as we've known it would cease to exist. Way too drastic. If the idea of fees is to be pursued at all, I think it should only be in a stand-alone newly-created seperate board designed specifically for fee-based purposes. Not to be combined, confused, or integrated with this board.
Every now and then I have to mention this...you've heard me say it before...but I saw someone else comment on it and felt it was time to bring it up again...How about a Part II of the Tips section??? It really is time for a whole new edition. Not an extension or modification of the existing Tips. Leave that as it is. It's a masterpiece--though a little aged--and should remain as it is. But create a whole new one...Part II, Second Edition, Tips2000, whatever. I really like the idea of including in it discussions on European drugs, nootropics, and herbals, as well as updated discussions on many of the same topics discussed in Tips Part I.
Topics for Tips2000 could include all of the topics in Tips Part I, but also of interest would be...(just examples off the top of my head):
European meds (like Amisulpride, Adrafinil, Tianeptine, more on Moclobemide).
Herbals. SJW, gingko, ginsengs, and any others people are finding helpful for psychiatric symptoms.
Nootropics. Hydergine, etc.
Zyprexa. Antidepressant, mood stabilizer, antipsychotic, all in one. I bet there's a lot to say on this one.
Dealing with side effects. Sexual. Insomnia.
Newer strategies such as the quick trial/comparison method pioneered by Dr Jensen. Lots of critics, but lots of credence as well.
Anhedonia. This stubborn core symptom easily deserves an entire discussion on its own.
More on stimulants for depression.
Modafinil for depression.
On and on. There are so many new topics for Tips2000. Actually, I've noticed a lot of things are already showing up with "2001" in their names. Might as well call it Tips2001. Or simply Tips PartII. In any case, I think it's time. I know it's a monsterous workload, but hey, you started it! :0) When people experience a good show, a good product, or a good service, they definitely want more of it...and updated versions of it. People like freshness.Enough rambling on that. How about this...a nice polite request...Dr Bob, could you PLEASE put together a Tips2000, or a Tips Part II? I bet there are thousands of people out there that would use it and appreciate it.
Thanks,
JohnL
Posted by JohnB on April 16, 2000, at 2:15:59
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 15:13:31
> OK, let's see where this discussion goes. Thanks again for all your input,
> BobDr. Bob, your site is so valuable to so many people . . . your site has literally saved lives . . . I can't help but notice all the posts from names I haven't seen before on this thread. I think a lot of us are getting a little nervous :). . . .
How about "passing the hat", ie. get a PO Box that we can send contributions to and post it here . . . couldn't that be set up somehow? I'm sure a lot of people would like to help support Psycho-babble, (and wouldn't it be easier to administer than charging fees?)
Just a thought . . .
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2000, at 7:22:07
In reply to Re: TO DR BOB, posted by Charles Nemeroff on April 15, 2000, at 22:16:21
> Dr. Bob, if you are going to charge for this website you ought to at least UPDATE the tips and tricks section. It is kind of out of date and old.
It's true, I ought to.
But don't post under someone else's name. If you really are Charles Nemeroff, please email me. Until then, I'm going to treat this as more disruptive behavior.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2000, at 7:38:17
In reply to Re: TO DR BOB ... and my two cents, posted by bob on April 15, 2000, at 23:27:21
> maybe you could give us the names and addresses of those who have any decision-making power over your hours, salary, tenure-review, etc. Maybe we could all write to those folks and convince them just how much good running this board (and the rest of your site) does.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm not sure how effective that would end up being. :-)
> One thing I think you should do is to create a Babbleland Bookstore.
Um, that link up at the top, "Books", have you ever tried that? :-)
> Well, anyway, by now I think I owe you a quarter ... 13 cents of which should be returned to me, 10 cents distributed amongst my fellow Babblelanders, and two cents you can keep for yourself.
You got it, that's the idea. Except that someone as active as you might get 30 cents back...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2000, at 7:54:17
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by JohnB on April 16, 2000, at 2:15:59
> Dr. Bob, your site is so valuable to so many people . . . your site has literally saved lives . . . I can't help but notice all the posts from names I haven't seen before on this thread. I think a lot of us are getting a little nervous :). . . .
First, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and I appreciate all the different points of view.
Although I'm thinking about making a change, I'm also glad to see people who are against it, since I take that to mean that they like things the way they are. :-)
I'm not going to do anything drastic, but I'm not convinced (yet) that an anonymous registration process would be such a bad thing overall. But that's a big job technically, too, and first I have to get my taxes in...
> How about "passing the hat", ie. get a PO Box that we can send contributions to and post it here . . . couldn't that be set up somehow?
Um, that link up at the top, "Support", have you ever tried that? I'm not sure I could rely on contributions like that, but maybe someone will surprise me. :-)
Bob
Posted by harry b. on April 16, 2000, at 11:08:59
In reply to Re: more thoughts, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2000, at 7:54:17
Hello everyone,
Thanks to all of you who expressed your concern.
Seems I'm always thanking you for your kindness,
and I really offer nothing to you in return.I got home today and, truthfully, on the drive
home I was ready to turn around and go back to
the hospital. I'm not really feeling better, every
thing is kind of blah, gray and of no interest.I'm on Celexa now(Klonopin & Lithium too). No ill
side effects but no real improvement. Has anyone
experienced mild headaches with Celexa?I did make a change during this stay. I called a few
people when I was admitted and had 3 visitors.
That was nice. They were all people I had met in
therapy.Hate to say this, but I started smoking again in
the hospital. I had been smoke free for over a
year.Been reading the posts. I don't like the idea of
paying (some people have NO resources) to use the
board. I also do not want to give up my anonymity.
What can we expect, police & ambulances at our door
after posting something alarming? Maybe I'm being
paranoid, but I definitely would stop using this
resource if I had even a hint of that happening.Take Care
Posted by bob on April 16, 2000, at 14:28:14
In reply to Re: my two cents, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2000, at 7:38:17
> > One thing I think you should do is to create a Babbleland Bookstore.
>
> Um, that link up at the top, "Books", have you ever tried that? :-)Nope ... never looks at those other links myself. Being the type of person who likes to "hear his own voice" so much that I'd pay for the privilege, I always come straight to Babbleland and look for the "new" stickers. Looks like you may need to advertise! ;^)
I promise I'll go there right after this, tho ...
cheers!
bob
Posted by Cam W. on April 16, 2000, at 21:47:39
In reply to (An aside to Cam -- everyone just ignore this), posted by bob on April 16, 2000, at 1:22:00
bob - You mean that not everyone on the internet is honest and not who they say they are? Am I that naive or just Canadian? You have crushed my faith in humanity. ;^)Actually, I did think that the post was rather hostile, coming from a world renowned researcher, but hey, I can dream, can't I. I thought I had the attention of someone who could really help this site and not just us old plodders, who have a little knowledge (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing; a lot is downright catastrophic).
Oh well, back to my humdrum existence.
Disillusionedly yours - Cam W.
Posted by Adam on April 16, 2000, at 22:54:44
In reply to possible new registration system, posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2000, at 7:03:46
> I have in fact been thinking about making it necessary to "register" before posting (just looking at posts would continue to be unrestricted). But more just to give me a better idea of what kind of people use this site than for security purposes.
It seems there's a fair amount of resistance to registration. I, for one, have no problem with it. So many people know so much about my behaviour now (just go and buy something online and watch what happens) that it makes little difference to me at this point if someone like you does. I would gladly volunteer personal information anyway for such a worthy forum.
> It might also make sense to ask for an email address. Like now, it wouldn't need to be posted, but it might be useful if there were disruptive behavior later.Sure, why not. My email is all over creation these days as well.
>
> PS: It's also true that registration could be a first step toward charging for being able to post. If anyone should have any thoughts about that, I'd also be interested...Perhaps, rather than a required charge, ask for a donation, and see if you raise enough money that way. Again I, and I think many here, would not mind donating money, if it were needed, to support your efforts or subsidise those who cannot afford to pay.
Posted by AprilA. on April 17, 2000, at 3:24:21
In reply to home again, posted by harry b. on April 16, 2000, at 11:08:59
>
> Been reading the posts. I don't like the idea of
> paying (some people have NO resources) to use the
> board. I also do not want to give up my anonymity.
> What can we expect, police & ambulances at our door
> after posting something alarming? Maybe I'm being
> paranoid, but I definitely would stop using this
> resource if I had even a hint of that happening.
>
> Take CareThanks for posting that. It was actually the first thought that popped into my head but I didn't want to sound paranoid. I worry just as much that it would give people who weren't thinking clearly anyway the idea that it COULD be done. This place can seem so real in the middle of the night. Even with some sort of disclaimer who's reading the fine print at 2 AM?
I'm glad to hear from you Harry. If I could find you I'd take away your weapons personally. A.
Posted by NikkiT on April 17, 2000, at 4:29:48
In reply to home again, posted by harry b. on April 16, 2000, at 11:08:59
Good to see you back harry.. (((hugs)))
And I;m sure there is no need to feel bad about thanking anyone here.. we've all had our times of calling out for help...
I know I'm still pretty much a newbie, but the care and thoughtfulness of people on here mean so much already...
Keep posting, and keep going
Nikki xx
ps - Saw a psychiatrist who said, if I needed to smoke right now, not to let it bother me. So keep smoking, and save that wprry for when you're better x
> Hello everyone,
>
> Thanks to all of you who expressed your concern.
> Seems I'm always thanking you for your kindness,
> and I really offer nothing to you in return.
>
> I got home today and, truthfully, on the drive
> home I was ready to turn around and go back to
> the hospital. I'm not really feeling better, every
> thing is kind of blah, gray and of no interest.
>
> I'm on Celexa now(Klonopin & Lithium too). No ill
> side effects but no real improvement. Has anyone
> experienced mild headaches with Celexa?
>
> I did make a change during this stay. I called a few
> people when I was admitted and had 3 visitors.
> That was nice. They were all people I had met in
> therapy.
>
> Hate to say this, but I started smoking again in
> the hospital. I had been smoke free for over a
> year.
>
> Been reading the posts. I don't like the idea of
> paying (some people have NO resources) to use the
> board. I also do not want to give up my anonymity.
> What can we expect, police & ambulances at our door
> after posting something alarming? Maybe I'm being
> paranoid, but I definitely would stop using this
> resource if I had even a hint of that happening.
>
> Take Care
Posted by harry b. on April 17, 2000, at 13:30:11
In reply to Harry, posted by NikkiT on April 17, 2000, at 4:29:48
Thanks for the welcome. I screwed up again. I was
to be at the day program today but, instead, I just
got out of bed. I'm a mess.
Posted by bob on April 17, 2000, at 20:34:57
In reply to Re: (An aside to bob -- everyone just ignore this), posted by Cam W. on April 16, 2000, at 21:47:39
Being very disillusioned with academe myself, I actually typed up a cleverly vicious response to the not-so-good Dr. since I'm a Cancer and that means I get a little overprotective and I knew that the Good Dr. B wouldn't respond with anything but civility (No, Dr. B, it never occurs to us overprotective Moonchildren that others can take care of themselves just fine, thank you ... and what are you doing reading this anyway? Didn't you read the subject line? ;^). And, in all my cleverness, it occurred to me to imply that this person was an imposter because no professional would be so petty in a forum that included anyone other than fellow academics from the same discipline.
Then it occurred to me that this person could really be an imposter.
That's when the conspiracy theories really started popping up left and right, and I decided to cut my losses and run before I started seeing evidence of some Broad Right-Wing/Left-Wing/Ross-Perot-Wing/Cigarette-Smoking-Man-Wing/Libertarian-Wing conspiracy everywhere....
(A note to all y'all out there: sleep deprivation and a new cable modem -- okay, the latter was the cause of the former -- do not mix.)
and now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
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