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Posted by tina on February 8, 2002, at 15:05:22
In reply to Something I want the group to know, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 14:30:03
Lou
Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
Just a humble opinion....
that > Group people:
> Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 15:23:09
In reply to Re: Something I want the group to know, posted by tina on February 8, 2002, at 15:05:22
> Lou
> Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
> Just a humble opinion....
>
>
> that > Group people:
> > Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> > The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> > LouTina ,you have brought up very good points.
First, you point out that our condition can produce brilliance. I can tell you that you are correct, for I am suffering from Bipolar disorder and know in my past the creative things that I did and when I examine them, they were when I was in a manic cndition. I could not go back and do them again. That proves to me, at least, that it was the conditon that precipatated the acts. Right now, I can do nothing for I am cast down. Can we be cured? I can only speak for myself here. I have been to the mountaintop and I have been to the lake of fire. I believe that our condition will be with us untill death, but that we can overcome it and have treasure on earth. Ernest Hemmingway commited suicide.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 16:59:16
In reply to Tina brings up very good points » tina, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 15:23:09
> > Lou
> > Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
> > Just a humble opinion....
>
>
> >
> >
> > that > Group people:
> > > Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> > > The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> > > Lou
>
> Tina ,you have brought up very good points.
> First, you point out that our condition can produce brilliance. I can tell you that you are correct, for I am suffering from Bipolar disorder and know in my past the creative things that I did and when I examine them, they were when I was in a manic cndition. I could not go back and do them again. That proves to me, at least, that it was the conditon that precipatated the acts. Right now, I can do nothing for I am cast down. Can we be cured? I can only speak for myself here. I have been to the mountaintop and I have been to the lake of fire. I believe that our condition will be with us untill death, but that we can overcome it and have treasure on earth. Ernest Hemmingway commited suicide.
> LouGroup people;
As I approached the first gate, there was a sign on the gate that told me what to do to open the gate. It said that the gate would not open under any circumstances unless I did what the sign said to do. The sign said, "Forgive". It said to forgive all that had done harm to you in the past. It said to forgive the people that you know now that have done harmfull things to you. It said that when you forgive all of those that have done harm to you that you would be forgiven for the harm that you have done to other people. It said that the Annointed One asked his Father to forgive his executioners of the horrible death that they were inflicting upon him. It said that the Mahatma Gandhi forgave his asaasssin. It said that the Pope forgave the man that shot him. It said that this gate would open now if you forgive.
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 8, 2002, at 19:07:20
In reply to The First Gate to the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 16:59:16
Posted by paula on February 8, 2002, at 19:15:36
In reply to Re: The Road to the Crown ofLife » Ritch, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 8:08:44
*snip*
> Then , a person that I knew took me to a gate that led to the road to the Crown of Life and told me that if I did what was written on the 7 gates on that road , that the gates would open and the road would lead to a placd that had no suffering and that my afffliction would be gone and that I would have great joy an peace.
*snip*
> But there was a condition to keep the Crown of Life. I had to bring back others that were also afflicted and suffering and without hope. I went to public parks and people told me to get away and that I was insane. My friends told me to "get help" . I could not find anyone to listen. Then I found myself here. I am here to find someone thatI can bring back with me to that place so that I can be restored for I am cast down into that pit again. My crown is gone. Is there someone on this board that will make that journey with me so that I can be restored? Is there anyone reading this that has an ear to hear?
***********I'm puzzled. Is finding others to help one of the seven gates? Or is it an eighth (unspoken) gate? How can you be held responsible for whether or not others will follow you? Why should you be cast back into the pit simply because your friends and the folks in the park are unreceptive?
Curious about the philosophical implications,
paula
Posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 19:17:09
In reply to How will we know when the gate opens? (nm), posted by Shar on February 8, 2002, at 19:07:20
Shar;
The gate will open the instant that in your heart you forgive all those that have wronged you. Then you can proceed. I am looking for those that want to go to that place with me, for I am fallen and must return to be renewed and I can't go unlessI bring others with me. Will you open that gate?
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 19:32:10
In reply to Re: The Road to the Crown ofLife » lou pilder, posted by paula on February 8, 2002, at 19:15:36
> *snip*
> > Then , a person that I knew took me to a gate that led to the road to the Crown of Life and told me that if I did what was written on the 7 gates on that road , that the gates would open and the road would lead to a placd that had no suffering and that my afffliction would be gone and that I would have great joy an peace.
> *snip*
> > But there was a condition to keep the Crown of Life. I had to bring back others that were also afflicted and suffering and without hope. I went to public parks and people told me to get away and that I was insane. My friends told me to "get help" . I could not find anyone to listen. Then I found myself here. I am here to find someone thatI can bring back with me to that place so that I can be restored for I am cast down into that pit again. My crown is gone. Is there someone on this board that will make that journey with me so that I can be restored? Is there anyone reading this that has an ear to hear?
> ***********
>
> I'm puzzled. Is finding others to help one of the seven gates? Or is it an eighth (unspoken) gate? How can you be held responsible for whether or not others will follow you? Why should you be cast back into the pit simply because your friends and the folks in the park are unreceptive?
>
> Curious about the philosophical implications,
> paulaPaula:
I have found myself here and if no one will go with me back to that place, then I will go to another place to find someone that will go with me. If I had played by the rules, then my crown would not have been taken away from me. I am fallen because of my own actions. You see, there are gates that lead to death, as Cam stated. You open them on your own. I opened one of those gates and my crown is not with me now. Earnest Hemmingway openened one of those gates to death. He was a drunkard. That will open the gates to death. But I can be renewed if I can get others to go on the Road That Leads to the Crown of Life.
Lou
Posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 0:39:46
In reply to The First Gate to the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 16:59:16
> > > Lou
> > > Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
> > > Just a humble opinion....
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > that > Group people:
> > > > Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> > > > The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> > > > Lou
> >
> > Tina ,you have brought up very good points.
> > First, you point out that our condition can produce brilliance. I can tell you that you are correct, for I am suffering from Bipolar disorder and know in my past the creative things that I did and when I examine them, they were when I was in a manic cndition. I could not go back and do them again. That proves to me, at least, that it was the conditon that precipatated the acts. Right now, I can do nothing for I am cast down. Can we be cured? I can only speak for myself here. I have been to the mountaintop and I have been to the lake of fire. I believe that our condition will be with us untill death, but that we can overcome it and have treasure on earth. Ernest Hemmingway commited suicide.
> > Lou
>
> Group people;
> As I approached the first gate, there was a sign on the gate that told me what to do to open the gate. It said that the gate would not open under any circumstances unless I did what the sign said to do. The sign said, "Forgive". It said to forgive all that had done harm to you in the past. It said to forgive the people that you know now that have done harmfull things to you. It said that when you forgive all of those that have done harm to you that you would be forgiven for the harm that you have done to other people. It said that the Annointed One asked his Father to forgive his executioners of the horrible death that they were inflicting upon him. It said that the Mahatma Gandhi forgave his asaasssin. It said that the Pope forgave the man that shot him. It said that this gate would open now if you forgive.
> Lou
Hi Lou,That is pretty cool. Forgiveness is one of the toughest things that anyone can do. Lack of people willing to forgive means a lot of strife, conflict, and a life wasted with all of this needless fighting.
Mitch
Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 7:53:27
In reply to Re: The First Gate-the forgiveness thing » lou pilder, posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 0:39:46
> > > > Lou
> > > > Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
> > > > Just a humble opinion....
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that > Group people:
> > > > > Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> > > > > The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> > > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Tina ,you have brought up very good points.
> > > First, you point out that our condition can produce brilliance. I can tell you that you are correct, for I am suffering from Bipolar disorder and know in my past the creative things that I did and when I examine them, they were when I was in a manic cndition. I could not go back and do them again. That proves to me, at least, that it was the conditon that precipatated the acts. Right now, I can do nothing for I am cast down. Can we be cured? I can only speak for myself here. I have been to the mountaintop and I have been to the lake of fire. I believe that our condition will be with us untill death, but that we can overcome it and have treasure on earth. Ernest Hemmingway commited suicide.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Group people;
> > As I approached the first gate, there was a sign on the gate that told me what to do to open the gate. It said that the gate would not open under any circumstances unless I did what the sign said to do. The sign said, "Forgive". It said to forgive all that had done harm to you in the past. It said to forgive the people that you know now that have done harmfull things to you. It said that when you forgive all of those that have done harm to you that you would be forgiven for the harm that you have done to other people. It said that the Annointed One asked his Father to forgive his executioners of the horrible death that they were inflicting upon him. It said that the Mahatma Gandhi forgave his asaasssin. It said that the Pope forgave the man that shot him. It said that this gate would open now if you forgive.
> > Lou
>
>
> Hi Lou,
>
> That is pretty cool. Forgiveness is one of the toughest things that anyone can do. Lack of people willing to forgive means a lot of strife, conflict, and a life wasted with all of this needless fighting.
>
> MitchMitch,
You are the first person that has ever indicated to me that you would listen. I have tried to tell this to strangers and they said that I was crazy. I have tried to say this to my friends and hey said that I "needed help". I have tried to tell this to a group of people of 1000s andthey all rejected me and disallowed me to tell them of the oter 6 gates. I have tried to tell tis to the sufferers here and I was told that they don't believe in fairy tales. Well, fairy tales can come true if they happen to you. I have seen the great city and have overcome my afflictin and you can to. I have broken the rules. But all of have broken the rules and come short of what is requirered of us to live a life that is a masterpiece. Will you go with me to the 2end gate?
Lou
Posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 10:35:27
In reply to Re: The First Gate-the forgiveness thing » Ritch, posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 7:53:27
Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 10:47:23
In reply to You could *publish* the 2nd gate right here... (nm) » lou pilder, posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 10:35:27
Group people;
Before we proceed there is something that you need to know about the pearl. The oyster secretes a substance around an irritant that enters the shell irrritating the delicate internal membrane. The process to encapsulate the irritant takes years and a pearl is produced.. Durring that time, the oyster undergoes tremendous suffering . Think of it as if you had a splinter inserted under your eyelid. From this great suffering comes a treasure. The road to The Crown of Life is paved with the pearls of your suffering and the suffering of those before you.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 17:39:27
In reply to You could *publish* the 2nd gate right here... (nm) » lou pilder, posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 10:35:27
Group people;
As you have the first gate opened, you see a narrow bridge that crosses a great gulf that you must go over. On the other side of this deep chasm is the 2end gate. There is a sign on the gate and you read it and it says," If you want to continue to the Road, then you must do this:You must pledge that you will live the rest of your life by the following principle:
Whatever way that you want people to treat you, then you treat them likewise.
If you want people to treat you with respect, then you treat them with respect.
If you want people to treat you with kindness, then you treat them with kindness.
If you want people to love you, then you love them.
If you want people to have mercy on you, then you have mercy on them.
If you can pledge that you will do this from this day, then this gate will open and you can proceed to the Road. Can you do that?
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 9, 2002, at 18:03:53
In reply to The 2end gate to The Road to the Crown of Life., posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 17:39:27
Does one have to be perfect at forgiveness and the Golden Rule all the days of their life in order to continue on the road? Will one grudge or one rudeness eliminate all progress along the road?
Shar
> Group people;
> As you have the first gate opened, you see a narrow bridge that crosses a great gulf that you must go over. On the other side of this deep chasm is the 2end gate. There is a sign on the gate and you read it and it says," If you want to continue to the Road, then you must do this:You must pledge that you will live the rest of your life by the following principle:
> Whatever way that you want people to treat you, then you treat them likewise.
> If you want people to treat you with respect, then you treat them with respect.
> If you want people to treat you with kindness, then you treat them with kindness.
> If you want people to love you, then you love them.
> If you want people to have mercy on you, then you have mercy on them.
> If you can pledge that you will do this from this day, then this gate will open and you can proceed to the Road. Can you do that?
> Lou
>
>
Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 18:22:16
In reply to Re: The 2end gate to The Road to the Crown of Life. » lou pilder, posted by Shar on February 9, 2002, at 18:03:53
> Does one have to be perfect at forgiveness and the Golden Rule all the days of their life in order to continue on the road? Will one grudge or one rudeness eliminate all progress along the road?
>
> SharShar;
When you get to the City of Peace, you will be gven a handbook that explains the terms and conditions. Ther is a remedy for falling short of your dutys and responsibilities. That remedy will be revealed. But there is a remedy for all transgressions. I am doing my remedy for disobediance. I must bring others to that City. There are less stringent remedys .
Lou
>
>
>
>
> > Group people;
> > As you have the first gate opened, you see a narrow bridge that crosses a great gulf that you must go over. On the other side of this deep chasm is the 2end gate. There is a sign on the gate and you read it and it says," If you want to continue to the Road, then you must do this:You must pledge that you will live the rest of your life by the following principle:
> > Whatever way that you want people to treat you, then you treat them likewise.
> > If you want people to treat you with respect, then you treat them with respect.
> > If you want people to treat you with kindness, then you treat them with kindness.
> > If you want people to love you, then you love them.
> > If you want people to have mercy on you, then you have mercy on them.
> > If you can pledge that you will do this from this day, then this gate will open and you can proceed to the Road. Can you do that?
> > Lou
> >
> >
Posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 21:36:06
In reply to Something that you must know - The Pearl, posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 10:47:23
> Group people;
> Before we proceed there is something that you need to know about the pearl. The oyster secretes a substance around an irritant that enters the shell irrritating the delicate internal membrane. The process to encapsulate the irritant takes years and a pearl is produced.. Durring that time, the oyster undergoes tremendous suffering . Think of it as if you had a splinter inserted under your eyelid. From this great suffering comes a treasure. The road to The Crown of Life is paved with the pearls of your suffering and the suffering of those before you.
> Lou
Lou,If you were to give the 2nd gate a NAME-what would the 2nd gate be named?
Mitch
Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 22:46:59
In reply to Re: Something that you must know - The Pearl » lou pilder, posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 21:36:06
> > Group people;
> > Before we proceed there is something that you need to know about the pearl. The oyster secretes a substance around an irritant that enters the shell irrritating the delicate internal membrane. The process to encapsulate the irritant takes years and a pearl is produced.. Durring that time, the oyster undergoes tremendous suffering . Think of it as if you had a splinter inserted under your eyelid. From this great suffering comes a treasure. The road to The Crown of Life is paved with the pearls of your suffering and the suffering of those before you.
> > Lou
>
>
> Lou,
>
> If you were to give the 2nd gate a NAME-what would the 2nd gate be named?
>
> MitchMitch;
Perhaps you could give the 2end gate a name. The importance in this gate is that there is a narrow bridge that allows you to passover the great gulf. Thegreat gulf separates . When you passover the great gulf, you are now in another place. This place has that gate right at the begining. That gate tells all that they have come short of what is requirered of them for all of us have violated the principles that the gate requireres of us now. We have all failed to love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor. We are failures. We are suffering because of that. We need to start anew and that gate starts a new beginning. We must put off the old self. We must be renewed and overcome our affliction. Perhaps you can create a name for that gate.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 10, 2002, at 14:33:34
In reply to Re: The Road to the Crown ofLife » Ritch, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2002, at 8:08:44
> I am here to find someone thatI can bring back with me to that place so that I can be restored for I am cast down into that pit again. My crown is gone. Is there someone on this board that will make that journey with me so that I can be restored?
Well, it seems to be going better this time. :-) But please be careful not to pressure others, OK? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
In reply to Thename of the 2end Gate » Ritch, posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 22:46:59
Lou
As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
< We have all failed to
love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
Fi
Posted by Kristi on February 10, 2002, at 15:30:31
In reply to Re: Thename of the 2end Gate » lou pilder, posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 15:46:29
In reply to Re: Thename of the 2end Gate » lou pilder, posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
> Lou
>
> As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
>
> However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
> < We have all failed to
> love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
> We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >
>
> Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
> because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
> people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.
>
> Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
>
> None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
>
> FiFi;
The people at the 2end gate are the ones that have forgiven. They know of their failure and they know that it has caused suffering. They are the ones hat want a whole new life. They aknowledge that they have failed with their life. Those are the only people that can be at the 2end gate. If you have opened the first gate by forgiving, and you can not admit that you have failed, and the failure is in loving your neighbor, then turn around and go back. But do not discourage others from going on the road. I hold 2 world records and I am a millioniar, but I am a failure. You have failed to see what I have been talking about. I will continue to tell of what I have been a witness to, and it is real to me, and if you can't see or have no ears to hear , then go back over the great gulf( and I will explain that when someone asks) and continue your life without reading anymore of this post. Walk away. I am only seeking those that are lost.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 17:16:44
In reply to Who isat the 2end gate?, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 15:46:29
> > Lou
> >
> > As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
> >
> > However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
> > < We have all failed to
> > love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
> > We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >
> >
> > Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
> > because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
> > people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.
> >
> > Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
> >
> > None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
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> > Fi
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> Fi;
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> The people at the 2end gate are the ones that have forgiven. They know of their failure and they know that it has caused suffering. They are the ones hat want a whole new life. They aknowledge that they have failed with their life. Those are the only people that can be at the 2end gate. If you have opened the first gate by forgiving, and you can not admit that you have failed, and the failure is in loving your neighbor, then turn around and go back. But do not discourage others from going on the road. I hold 2 world records and I am a millioniar, but I am a failure. You have failed to see what I have been talking about. I will continue to tell of what I have been a witness to, and it is real to me, and if you can't see or have no ears to hear , then go back over the great gulf( and I will explain that when someone asks) and continue your life without reading anymore of this post. Walk away. I am only seeking those that are lost.
> LouWe have all failed to love our neighbor. Today I read in my newspaper that a center to feed homeless people is closing for lack of support. I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor. I also read in the paper that there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor. I read of the people in prison and I have not visited them. I have failed to love my neighbor. I read of people selling their children to buy food. I have not fed them. I have failed to love my neighbor.
At that 2end gate you are asked if you have failed by not loving your neighbor. Those that admit that they are failures will proceed to the 3erd gate to The Crown of Life. There will be few, my friends. Few.
Lou
Posted by ST on February 10, 2002, at 18:08:53
In reply to More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 17:16:44
> > I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor....there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor...people in prison and I have not visited them. > >
Lou,
You're very right. There is not enough love and compassion in the world. People go around with blinders on and do not realize that perhaps people right under their noses are in need of their support and love.
But I do think I love my neighbor and am successful at it because I make a difference where I can, when I can and am always aware of doing so. We can't be everywhere at once. We all cannot visit everyone in all the hospital wards and prisons, give coats to all of the elderly and cold, feed all the homeless in the world, comfort all the sick and sad people in the world. But we can each start with someone who needs love in their time of need. We can be aware that our next door neighbor just lost her husband and might appreciate some comapnay and a home cooked meal. We can stay with a friend all night if they need us when they are alone and feel that there is nothing to live for. We can continue to give money to the one charity we have chosen to support because we cannot support every charity in the world. We can be compassionate, loving, kind, tolerant, generous people to every person in our lives every day and that makes a huge difference. That is loving thy neighbor to the best of one's ability. You may forever be tortured by the fact that you cannot help the billions and billions of people in the world that need help. It may be become almost obsessive. But if you make a difference to three people a day...maybe even one, you are doing - I believe - what you can to make a difference.
Sarah
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by ST on February 10, 2002, at 18:08:53
> > > I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor....there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor...people in prison and I have not visited them. > >
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> Lou,
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> You're very right. There is not enough love and compassion in the world. People go around with blinders on and do not realize that perhaps people right under their noses are in need of their support and love.
>
> But I do think I love my neighbor and am successful at it because I make a difference where I can, when I can and am always aware of doing so. We can't be everywhere at once. We all cannot visit everyone in all the hospital wards and prisons, give coats to all of the elderly and cold, feed all the homeless in the world, comfort all the sick and sad people in the world. But we can each start with someone who needs love in their time of need. We can be aware that our next door neighbor just lost her husband and might appreciate some comapnay and a home cooked meal. We can stay with a friend all night if they need us when they are alone and feel that there is nothing to live for. We can continue to give money to the one charity we have chosen to support because we cannot support every charity in the world. We can be compassionate, loving, kind, tolerant, generous people to every person in our lives every day and that makes a huge difference. That is loving thy neighbor to the best of one's ability. You may forever be tortured by the fact that you cannot help the billions and billions of people in the world that need help. It may be become almost obsessive. But if you make a difference to three people a day...maybe even one, you are doing - I believe - what you can to make a difference.
>
> SarahSarah;
Have you ever encountered a person that was in need and you did not respond? If so, then you failed that one time. The standard for failure , in order to open the 2end gate, is to admit that failing just one time is failure. That is why I say that there will be few to go on this road for few will admit that that is the standard. Few will admit that all have failed and come short .
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 10, 2002, at 19:42:25
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
I think it is good to view these ideas in context. "Failure" here is failure to meet the standard required to pass through a particular gate.
If perfection is the standard for loving thy neighbor, IMHO everyone on earth has failed. If for no other reason than it is impossible to do (or be) all things for all people all of the time. Again IMO, saying that humans are imperfect is more a fact than an admission of guilt or wrongdoing; we have all failed, under the current definition.
So, on to the third gate!
Shar
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 20:51:32
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by Shar on February 10, 2002, at 19:42:25
> I think it is good to view these ideas in context. "Failure" here is failure to meet the standard required to pass through a particular gate.
>
> If perfection is the standard for loving thy neighbor, IMHO everyone on earth has failed. If for no other reason than it is impossible to do (or be) all things for all people all of the time. Again IMO, saying that humans are imperfect is more a fact than an admission of guilt or wrongdoing; we have all failed, under the current definition.
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> So, on to the third gate!
>
> Shar;
I am delighted that you are one that will not turn back. We should wait for some others to join us. Could you tell others on this board to come with us? I will wait for yor answer.
Lou
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