Posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 7:53:27
In reply to Re: The First Gate-the forgiveness thing » lou pilder, posted by Ritch on February 9, 2002, at 0:39:46
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> > > > Some of the people you mention produced these masterpieces BECAUSE of their affliction not in spite of it. And does it follow that because you can paint, compose, or politicize brilliantly that you are happy, healthy and content, in other words, "cured"?
> > > > Just a humble opinion....
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> > > > > Before we get to the first gate, there are sme things that need to be explaind.
> > > > > The most important is that your affliction can be your treasure. Michelangelo suffered the same affliction that we have. His artistic beauty will live forever. Beethoven had the same suffering as us. His music will live forever. (I have a similar condition as his). Earnest Hemmingwy had the same condition as us. His literary masterpieces will live forever. Winston Churchill had the same conditon as us. His leadership will be remembered forever. When he said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itslf" he wasn't talking about Hitler's bombs. He was talking abuot what we know that he knew better than anyone else, For Winston Chuchill was bipolar. His insperation comes to all from his great leadership. There are many, many others throughout history that ovecame their affliction and had a brilliant life and produced masterpieces in spite of the affliction that we share with them. We can overcome.
> > > > > Lou
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> > > Tina ,you have brought up very good points.
> > > First, you point out that our condition can produce brilliance. I can tell you that you are correct, for I am suffering from Bipolar disorder and know in my past the creative things that I did and when I examine them, they were when I was in a manic cndition. I could not go back and do them again. That proves to me, at least, that it was the conditon that precipatated the acts. Right now, I can do nothing for I am cast down. Can we be cured? I can only speak for myself here. I have been to the mountaintop and I have been to the lake of fire. I believe that our condition will be with us untill death, but that we can overcome it and have treasure on earth. Ernest Hemmingway commited suicide.
> > > Lou
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> > As I approached the first gate, there was a sign on the gate that told me what to do to open the gate. It said that the gate would not open under any circumstances unless I did what the sign said to do. The sign said, "Forgive". It said to forgive all that had done harm to you in the past. It said to forgive the people that you know now that have done harmfull things to you. It said that when you forgive all of those that have done harm to you that you would be forgiven for the harm that you have done to other people. It said that the Annointed One asked his Father to forgive his executioners of the horrible death that they were inflicting upon him. It said that the Mahatma Gandhi forgave his asaasssin. It said that the Pope forgave the man that shot him. It said that this gate would open now if you forgive.
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> Hi Lou,
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> That is pretty cool. Forgiveness is one of the toughest things that anyone can do. Lack of people willing to forgive means a lot of strife, conflict, and a life wasted with all of this needless fighting.
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> MitchMitch,
You are the first person that has ever indicated to me that you would listen. I have tried to tell this to strangers and they said that I was crazy. I have tried to say this to my friends and hey said that I "needed help". I have tried to tell this to a group of people of 1000s andthey all rejected me and disallowed me to tell them of the oter 6 gates. I have tried to tell tis to the sufferers here and I was told that they don't believe in fairy tales. Well, fairy tales can come true if they happen to you. I have seen the great city and have overcome my afflictin and you can to. I have broken the rules. But all of have broken the rules and come short of what is requirered of us to live a life that is a masterpiece. Will you go with me to the 2end gate?
Lou
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