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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 21, 2015, at 6:15:18
In reply to Hey this is Jay_Original1, posted by JayOriginal2nd on January 20, 2015, at 10:47:53
> Hey folks:
>
> This is Jay_Original1. I forgot my email and password, hence the change. Glad to be back :)
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> JayJ,
Are you the person in the post here that I am requesting clarification from?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 21, 2015, at 15:12:00
In reply to Lou/s request-monychngrs » JayOriginal2nd, posted by Lou Pilder on January 21, 2015, at 6:15:18
>Are you the person in the post here that I am requesting clarification from?
Goodness me - 2011... you've been waiting very patiently for clarification.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 22, 2015, at 20:53:06
In reply to Re: Lou/s request-monychngrs, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 21, 2015, at 15:12:00
> >Are you the person in the post here that I am requesting clarification from?
>
> Goodness me - 2011... you've been waiting very patiently for clarification.Ed,
What is the significance, if anything, by what you wrote?
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 23, 2015, at 11:47:10
In reply to Lou's request-wheyt » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on January 22, 2015, at 20:53:06
>What is the significance, if anything, by what you wrote?
What is the significance of your request for clarification?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2015, at 10:42:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request-wheyt, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 23, 2015, at 11:47:10
> >What is the significance, if anything, by what you wrote?
>
> What is the significance of your request for clarification?
>
> ed,
The post is about a passage in the Christiandom Bible that is commonly called, {Jesus cleanses the Temple}. The *scene* that te poster is referring to is in the second temple and is about Jews that could spread anti-Semitic propaganda of as moneychangers, that could stereotype Jews that can have the potential to create a climate of hatred, suspicion and indifference toward Jews here if the statement is allowed to be considered to be supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record, which could make it socially acceptable here to portray Jews, as the moneychangers could be the Jews, in the Temple that were performing that task to convert coins like is done today when one currency has to be changed to another. Here is the link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
If my requests were responded to, then I could develop from those answers my perspective that could stop any readers from thinking in anti-Semitic terms here. As it stands now, the unanswered questions could have the potential to recruit young people and mislead them to accept that Mr. Hsiung is doing what in his thinking is fair and will be good for this community as a whole. I do not think that, for by young people and others seeing the statements as supportive, a subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is being created here, which could lay a foundation for real-world hate toward the Jews and violence toward Jews as by that subset of readers thinking that it will be good for this community as a whole for the statements by the poster to be seen as supportive, for those statements could be toward those Jews and then a stereotyping of the Jews, by stoking the furnace of hate, could spread the flames of hate from here. I want to stop the flames of hate before they are blown by the wind from here and by asking the poster to define what he meant, then I could respond accordingly. The passage has been used historically to persecute the Jews and create an acceptance of defaming the Jews when state-sponsored. The power of propaganda against the Jews going unchecked in a community can have the tragic consequences to the Jews as the historical record shows. What the poster wrote about the moneychangers, which could be Jews, is not what I see is really in the passage, which has caused me to have a want for information from that poster in order to stop any impression here that could arise against the Jews as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record. For if readers could think that Mr. Hsiung and up to 6 deputies could think that what is in the post is supportive, then those that are bent in persecuting the Jews could have a psychiatrist doing what will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking, so Jew-haters elsewhere could think that they have an ally in allowing old anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as it will good in his thinking for the community as a whole.
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 25, 2015, at 17:29:55
In reply to Lou's reply-antisemitic propaganda » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2015, at 10:42:55
>The *scene* that the poster is referring to is in the second temple and is about Jews that could spread anti-Semitic propaganda of as moneychangers
Jay was posting on a positive theme, about justice.
>If my requests were responded to...
If your requests were responded to, you would reply, accordingly, with yet more requests for clarification.
>mislead them to accept that Mr. Hsiung is doing what in his thinking is fair and will be good for this community as a whole
This is a mental health forum, Lou. No one has expressed any hatred for Jews. In fact, I doubt anyone here is even thinking about Jews apart from yourself.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2015, at 20:26:55
In reply to Discussion of justice » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 25, 2015, at 17:29:55
> >The *scene* that the poster is referring to is in the second temple and is about Jews that could spread anti-Semitic propaganda of as moneychangers
>
> Jay was posting on a positive theme, about justice.
>
> >If my requests were responded to...
>
> If your requests were responded to, you would reply, accordingly, with yet more requests for clarification.
>
> >mislead them to accept that Mr. Hsiung is doing what in his thinking is fair and will be good for this community as a whole
>
> This is a mental health forum, Lou. No one has expressed any hatred for Jews. In fact, I doubt anyone here is even thinking about Jews apart from yourself.
>
ed,
You wrote,[...Jay was posting on a positive theme, about justice...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think what you mean by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What is the positive theme?
B. What is the justice?
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 27, 2015, at 18:38:07
In reply to Lou's request-watizpozjuz » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2015, at 20:26:55
>I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think what you mean by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What is the positive theme?
> B. What is the justice?
> LouAnyone feeling unsure about the meaning of my post is referred to the Oxford English Dictionary for clarification - preferably the Concise edition.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2015, at 8:11:11
In reply to Discussion of justice » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 25, 2015, at 17:29:55
> >The *scene* that the poster is referring to is in the second temple and is about Jews that could spread anti-Semitic propaganda of as moneychangers
>
> Jay was posting on a positive theme, about justice.
>
> >If my requests were responded to...
>
> If your requests were responded to, you would reply, accordingly, with yet more requests for clarification.
>
> >mislead them to accept that Mr. Hsiung is doing what in his thinking is fair and will be good for this community as a whole
>
> This is a mental health forum, Lou. No one has expressed any hatred for Jews. In fact, I doubt anyone here is even thinking about Jews apart from yourself.
>
Ed,
You wrote,[...This is a mental health forum...No one has expressed any hatred toward Jews..I doubt anyone here is even thinking about Jews...].
A question concerning what you have written here could be is if anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here, does that express hatred toward the Jews? And parallel in that respect, does that anti-Semitic propaganda posted here that can be seen as supportive, and will be in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, will be good for this community as a whole for the anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive, even though anti-Semitism is against Mr. Hsiung's rules here, does that action by Mr. Hsiung constitute a foundation for a subset of readers to think that this site fosters anti Jewish feelings as being supportive that could create and develop hatred toward the Jews?
Many of you already know that I am trying to stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those here that could be in concert with Mr. Hsiung and those deputies from allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as supportive and will in Mr. Hsiung's thinking be good for this community as a whole by in my discussion with him to post repudiations to antisemitic propaganda here that can be seen un sanctioned.
You write, Ed, that [... No one has expressed any hatred for Jews here...]. But could not a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here being posted with impunity by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record be taken by those readers to be considered that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic propaganda as that there is good in it to be seen as supportive? And if so, could that stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews to readers outside of the posting members here?
You see, when a psychiatrist has a rule to not post what could put down or accuse, or to not post what could lead someone to feel that their faith is being put down, and then goes ahead and allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be posted with impunity anyway, that could IMHHHO persuade others to think that Jews are inferior people and along with [...No non Christian will...], which is analogous to [...No Jew will...] and worse, that all those that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian could feel insulted by the statement allowed to be seen as civil where it is originally posted, those people could be seen as being inferior to Christians which insults those faiths also. A subset of readers could be un informed here by the nature of the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevents me from posting my response to the anti-Semitic propaganda here to be seen as supportive. And it is so easy to persuade the un informed. It's so easy.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on February 3, 2015, at 17:05:17
In reply to Lou's reply-thinkabout it » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2015, at 8:11:11
Ed is correct. Doubt any posters thinking of Jews. Why not post your concerns on the Religion Board? Phiillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 3, 2015, at 17:32:34
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thinkabout it » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on February 3, 2015, at 17:05:17
> Ed is correct. Doubt any posters thinking of Jews. Why not post your concerns on the Religion Board? Phiillipa
P,
As to if readers are thinking about Jews, is that relevant? Jewish readers in particular, but not limited to, could feel insulted and accused and put down when they read anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as supportive here and that it will be good for this community as a whole for the anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as civil here. That could lead potentially to deaths by suicide. I just read where a young women broke up with her boyfriend and he put photos of her on the internet and she killed herself. You see, these statements that I am trying to have purged here, could cause hurt and feelings of inferiority and hopelessness to some vulnerable readers here that are in depression coming here for support. And when they see that their faith is being put down and allowed to be seen as civil here, they could go into a vortex of downward despair and shame quickly, just like the girl that killed herself when she saw the pictures of her. I want to stop any possibility of that here. You see, shame can hurt. Lou can help.
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 5, 2015, at 19:47:51
In reply to Lou's reply-thinkabout it » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2015, at 8:11:11
>A question concerning what you have written here could be is if anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here, does that express hatred toward the Jews?
I have never seen anything remotely resembling anti-Semitic propaganda anywhere on this board. Perhaps it's like the proverbial needle in a haystack?
I can only imagine that any subset of readers, Jewish or otherwise, informed or uninformed, would have to spend a great deal of time searching, in order to find such statements.
Out of interest Lou, do you work so tirelessly on other, more popular forums to shield the public from remarks which may induce unsuspecting members of the public to want to kill themselves?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2015, at 20:19:22
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thinkabout it » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 5, 2015, at 19:47:51
> >A question concerning what you have written here could be is if anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here, does that express hatred toward the Jews?
>
> I have never seen anything remotely resembling anti-Semitic propaganda anywhere on this board. Perhaps it's like the proverbial needle in a haystack?
>
> I can only imagine that any subset of readers, Jewish or otherwise, informed or uninformed, would have to spend a great deal of time searching, in order to find such statements.
>
> Out of interest Lou, do you work so tirelessly on other, more popular forums to shield the public from remarks which may induce unsuspecting members of the public to want to kill themselves?Ed,
[ admin, 428781 ]
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 11:27:53
In reply to Lou's reply-428781 » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2015, at 20:19:22
> > >A question concerning what you have written here could be is if anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here, does that express hatred toward the Jews?
> >
> > I have never seen anything remotely resembling anti-Semitic propaganda anywhere on this board. Perhaps it's like the proverbial needle in a haystack?
> >
> > I can only imagine that any subset of readers, Jewish or otherwise, informed or uninformed, would have to spend a great deal of time searching, in order to find such statements.
> >
> > Out of interest Lou, do you work so tirelessly on other, more popular forums to shield the public from remarks which may induce unsuspecting members of the public to want to kill themselves?
>
> Ed,
> [ admin, 428781 ]
> Loued,
The anti-Semitic propaganda depicted in 652741 is in discussion here;
[ faith, 996847 ]
The post in question is:
[ faith, 652741 ] in an offered link as Matt 27
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 11:37:17
In reply to Lou's reply to ed-652741, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 11:27:53
> > > >A question concerning what you have written here could be is if anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here, does that express hatred toward the Jews?
> > >
> > > I have never seen anything remotely resembling anti-Semitic propaganda anywhere on this board. Perhaps it's like the proverbial needle in a haystack?
> > >
> > > I can only imagine that any subset of readers, Jewish or otherwise, informed or uninformed, would have to spend a great deal of time searching, in order to find such statements.
> > >
> > > Out of interest Lou, do you work so tirelessly on other, more popular forums to shield the public from remarks which may induce unsuspecting members of the public to want to kill themselves?
> >
> > Ed,
> > [ admin, 428781 ]
> > Lou
>
> ed,
> The anti-Semitic propaganda depicted in 652741 is in discussion here;
> [ faith, 996847 ]
> The post in question is:
> [ faith, 652741 ] in an offered link as Matt 27
> Lou
ed,
Here is the post in relation to that the anti-Semitic propaganda is disturbing to me that it is allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for the community as a whole to see it as supportive as support takes precedence and members are to be civil at all times according to Mr. Hsiung.
[ admin, 678224 ]
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 6, 2015, at 14:34:24
In reply to Lou's reply to ed-678224, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 11:37:17
It ought to be clear to any reader than no anti-Semitism was intended.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996905.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 18:35:36
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ed-678224, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 6, 2015, at 14:34:24
> It ought to be clear to any reader than no anti-Semitism was intended.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996905.html
>
> ed,
You wrote,[...it ought to be clear to any reader that no anti-Semitism was intended...].
Let there be no misunderstanding here. The statement is from the author of the post, not the passage cited in the Christiandom Bible. In order for me to determine the author's intent, I asked questions and until the author posts answers to them, I can not know the author's intent.
The statement is:
[... disgusted at their love for money...].
I do not know the author's intent for posting that, for the passage in question that the author refers to does not state such. It came from the author from somewhere, but I do not know where. But I do know how the passage has been used to defame Jews historically. And the rule here is not to post anything that could be accusative or defaming or lead someone to feel that their faith is being put down and the intent is not what determines as to if the statement is against the rules and if so, the author could post answers to my request to clarify his intent. Since the statement stands, readers could think that it is supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for the community as a whole for readers to see it un repudiated. The passage takes place in the Temple where the Jews are, so the moneychangers are likely to be Jews and could lead readers to think of Jews in a disparaging manner as {loving money while others went without}.
As long as the post remains un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung, readers could think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record are validating what the statement could lead a subset of Jewish readers to think about Jews which could lead IMHHHO to suicides of vulnerable readers to think of Jews in that manner as being civil by this site, which could cause feelings of inferiority that could have like a trap-door open when they read such about what could be Jews in that manner depicted by the author.
In my study of cyberbullying, the suicides have such in common as a precipitator of completed suicide. This is a mental-health site so you say.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 19:55:33
In reply to Lou's reply -dicustedattheirlovformony » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 18:35:36
> > It ought to be clear to any reader than no anti-Semitism was intended.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996905.html
> >
> > ed,
> You wrote,[...it ought to be clear to any reader that no anti-Semitism was intended...].
> Let there be no misunderstanding here. The statement is from the author of the post, not the passage cited in the Christiandom Bible. In order for me to determine the author's intent, I asked questions and until the author posts answers to them, I can not know the author's intent.
> The statement is:
> [... disgusted at their love for money...].
> I do not know the author's intent for posting that, for the passage in question that the author refers to does not state such. It came from the author from somewhere, but I do not know where. But I do know how the passage has been used to defame Jews historically. And the rule here is not to post anything that could be accusative or defaming or lead someone to feel that their faith is being put down and the intent is not what determines as to if the statement is against the rules and if so, the author could post answers to my request to clarify his intent. Since the statement stands, readers could think that it is supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for the community as a whole for readers to see it un repudiated. The passage takes place in the Temple where the Jews are, so the moneychangers are likely to be Jews and could lead readers to think of Jews in a disparaging manner as {loving money while others went without}.
> As long as the post remains un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung, readers could think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record are validating what the statement could lead a subset of Jewish readers to think about Jews which could lead IMHHHO to suicides of vulnerable readers to think of Jews in that manner as being civil by this site, which could cause feelings of inferiority that could have like a trap-door open when they read such about what could be Jews in that manner depicted by the author.
> In my study of cyberbullying, the suicides have such in common as a precipitator of completed suicide. This is a mental-health site so you say.
> LouFriends,
If you are considering posting in this thread, I am asking that you read the following:
To see this article, go to Google and type in:
[ the top 6 cyberbullying cases ]
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 7, 2015, at 18:25:12
In reply to Lou's reply -top 6, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2015, at 19:55:33
>I do know how the passage has been used to defame Jews historically.
I understand that you think that, but it seems to me that the overall impression of the post was very positive, and there was no intention to defame anyone.
>The passage takes place in the Temple where the Jews are, so the moneychangers are likely to be Jews and could lead readers to think of Jews in a disparaging manner as {loving money while others went without}.
To be honest Lou, if you weren't so insistent on drawing attention to it, I don't think anyone would be thinking anything about Jews at all.
You seem quite paranoid. I hope you are not suffering.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 8, 2015, at 7:49:02
In reply to Re: Lou's reply -top 6 » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 7, 2015, at 18:25:12
> >I do know how the passage has been used to defame Jews historically.
>
> I understand that you think that, but it seems to me that the overall impression of the post was very positive, and there was no intention to defame anyone.
>
> >The passage takes place in the Temple where the Jews are, so the moneychangers are likely to be Jews and could lead readers to think of Jews in a disparaging manner as {loving money while others went without}.
>
> To be honest Lou, if you weren't so insistent on drawing attention to it, I don't think anyone would be thinking anything about Jews at all.
>
> You seem quite paranoid. I hope you are not suffering.ed,
You wrote,[...and there was no intention to defame anyone...].
What criteria do you use, if any, to conclude that there was no intention to defame anyone?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2015, at 10:23:41
In reply to Lou's reply -gumptukuncloo? » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 8, 2015, at 7:49:02
> > >I do know how the passage has been used to defame Jews historically.
> >
> > I understand that you think that, but it seems to me that the overall impression of the post was very positive, and there was no intention to defame anyone.
> >
> > >The passage takes place in the Temple where the Jews are, so the moneychangers are likely to be Jews and could lead readers to think of Jews in a disparaging manner as {loving money while others went without}.
> >
> > To be honest Lou, if you weren't so insistent on drawing attention to it, I don't think anyone would be thinking anything about Jews at all.
> >
> > You seem quite paranoid. I hope you are not suffering.
>
> ed,
> You wrote,[...and there was no intention to defame anyone...].
> What criteria do you use, if any, to conclude that there was no intention to defame anyone?
> Loued,
You wrote,[...to me that the overall impression of the post was *very positive*...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to mean by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. True or False:
A. You can see, ed, that to you the post could cause a subset of readers to think that Judaism was corrupt during the time of the scene that Jesus said what He said to the moneychangers in the Temple and that is *very positive*.
B. You can see, ed, that the scene in the Temple with Jesus and the moneychangers could spread anti-Semitic thought in that the Jews were unworthy to retain God's love and were replaced by Christians and that is *very positive*.
C. The author misrepresented the facts in the passages with the moneychangers and the Temple, Lou.
D. The scene in the Temple with the moneychangers as told by the author of the post here in question could demean both Judaism and ultimately, Jews and that is very positive, Lou
E. The scene at the Temple with the moneychangers as stated by the author of the post in question here, {disgusted at their love for money} could cause readers to think of Jews as unethical business people and portray Jews {falsely} which could create and develop an anti-Semitic perspective of Jews and money from here by the nature that Mr. Hsiung states that he could leave anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive because in his thinking that will be good for this community as a whole.
F. Lou, I really did not know, for I am ignorant of the aspects of Judaism involved in the passages that the author of the post in question cites for readers to consider concerning the Temple and the moneychangers and his statement,{disgusted at their love for money} and how historically the passage has been used to induce anti-Semitic hatred and cause the deaths of Jews.
G. Lou, I really now see that a subset of readers seeing the statement by the author in relation to the Temple and the moneychangers being seen here as supportive, could not be a sound mental-health practice as by that the statement in question can be seen as supportive, it could be felt by Jewish readers as that Judaism is being insulted and then the Jews could be seen as being put down as being a Jew here because the statement in question can be seen as being good for this community as a whole by a psychiatrist and he wants readers to trust him in what he does here.
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 12, 2015, at 18:35:40
In reply to Lou's reply to ed-ihgnorenz, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2015, at 10:23:41
>the post could cause a subset of readers to think that Judaism was corrupt....
There is corruption all around us, Lou, both within Judaism and outside of it. Since most people are not Jewish, most corruption occurs outside Judaism. Nevertheless, since corruption is within the very essence of human nature, I have little doubt that some Jews are corrupt.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 7:43:49
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ed-ihgnorenz » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 12, 2015, at 18:35:40
> >the post could cause a subset of readers to think that Judaism was corrupt....
>
> There is corruption all around us, Lou, both within Judaism and outside of it. Since most people are not Jewish, most corruption occurs outside Judaism. Nevertheless, since corruption is within the very essence of human nature, I have little doubt that some Jews are corrupt.ed,
You wrote,[...There is corruption...within Judaism...].
The issues here involve the poster's statement,{...disgusted at *their* love for money when so many people went without...] and that the poster is referring to {the scene when Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers...].
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
The poster is asking for readers to view the bible passages in reference to the money changers in order to have an understanding of what he, the poster, wrote which is his own interpretation from what is in the bible passages. It is not the bible passages themselves that are in question by me here, for the poster does not post a citation to them, but what the poster posted here.
I have offered the poster the opportunity to answer some questions that IMHO could give readers a more-informed knowledge of what is in question here. As long as the poster does not accept that opportunity, then readers could have various ideas concerning Jews from what is posted by the poster. {disgusted at their love for money}. These depictions of the money changers which could be Jews that could arise from what the poster wrote, could allow some readers to feel that Judaism is being insulted here as being supportive and in Mr. Hsiung's thinking will be good for this community as a whole and arouse hatred toward the Jews as the historical record shows. For Mr. Hsiung states that if a statement stands, it is not against his rules. Later he states that he could leave a statement that is against his rules to stand, because in his thinking it will be good for this community as a whole.
I say not. I say this because what the poster wrote could IMHHHO arouse anti-Semitic feelings. And the rule here is that it doesn't matter if what is in question is somewhat true or even if the bible says it, to have immunity from sanction as being uncivil. For being supportive takes precedence and posters are to be civil at all times according to Mr. Hsiung.
The Christiandom Bible passages concerning the scene in the temple are very problematic to both those with a knowledge of second-temple Judaism and those ignorant of it. This is also impacted by the fact that the poster has not accepted my offer for him to answer my questions so that I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. In some jurisdictions, by not answering, {evasion} could be imputed to the one not answering and then the intent could be formulated.
The passages have been used historically to promote antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and I see no reason to think that the furnace of hatred toward the Jews could not be stoked here from what the poster wrote being allowed to be seen as supportive and will in Mr. Hsiung's thinking be good for this community as a whole. In fact, a recruitment could be fostered here IMHO by Jew-haters to have easily persuaded readers join a camp of those bent on killing Jews by the nature that they could show the statement {...Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers, disgusted at their love for money when so many people went without..] to be seen as supportive here.
Since I am prevented from posting my repudiation to the statement by the poster in question due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, others, can post here even more insults to Judaism and Jews with impunity. But I say to you readers here, that just because hatred toward the Jews is being allowed to be seen as civil here, this could not only be a detriment to your mental-health, it could also corrupt the goals of this forum, which is to go by the Golden Rule.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 8:38:44
In reply to Lou's reply to ed-kerupp » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 7:43:49
> > >the post could cause a subset of readers to think that Judaism was corrupt....
> >
> > There is corruption all around us, Lou, both within Judaism and outside of it. Since most people are not Jewish, most corruption occurs outside Judaism. Nevertheless, since corruption is within the very essence of human nature, I have little doubt that some Jews are corrupt.
>
> ed,
> You wrote,[...There is corruption...within Judaism...].
> The issues here involve the poster's statement,{...disgusted at *their* love for money when so many people went without...] and that the poster is referring to {the scene when Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers...].
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> The poster is asking for readers to view the bible passages in reference to the money changers in order to have an understanding of what he, the poster, wrote which is his own interpretation from what is in the bible passages. It is not the bible passages themselves that are in question by me here, for the poster does not post a citation to them, but what the poster posted here.
> I have offered the poster the opportunity to answer some questions that IMHO could give readers a more-informed knowledge of what is in question here. As long as the poster does not accept that opportunity, then readers could have various ideas concerning Jews from what is posted by the poster. {disgusted at their love for money}. These depictions of the money changers which could be Jews that could arise from what the poster wrote, could allow some readers to feel that Judaism is being insulted here as being supportive and in Mr. Hsiung's thinking will be good for this community as a whole and arouse hatred toward the Jews as the historical record shows. For Mr. Hsiung states that if a statement stands, it is not against his rules. Later he states that he could leave a statement that is against his rules to stand, because in his thinking it will be good for this community as a whole.
> I say not. I say this because what the poster wrote could IMHHHO arouse anti-Semitic feelings. And the rule here is that it doesn't matter if what is in question is somewhat true or even if the bible says it, to have immunity from sanction as being uncivil. For being supportive takes precedence and posters are to be civil at all times according to Mr. Hsiung.
> The Christiandom Bible passages concerning the scene in the temple are very problematic to both those with a knowledge of second-temple Judaism and those ignorant of it. This is also impacted by the fact that the poster has not accepted my offer for him to answer my questions so that I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. In some jurisdictions, by not answering, {evasion} could be imputed to the one not answering and then the intent could be formulated.
> The passages have been used historically to promote antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and I see no reason to think that the furnace of hatred toward the Jews could not be stoked here from what the poster wrote being allowed to be seen as supportive and will in Mr. Hsiung's thinking be good for this community as a whole. In fact, a recruitment could be fostered here IMHO by Jew-haters to have easily persuaded readers join a camp of those bent on killing Jews by the nature that they could show the statement {...Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers, disgusted at their love for money when so many people went without..] to be seen as supportive here.
> Since I am prevented from posting my repudiation to the statement by the poster in question due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, others, can post here even more insults to Judaism and Jews with impunity. But I say to you readers here, that just because hatred toward the Jews is being allowed to be seen as civil here, this could not only be a detriment to your mental-health, it could also corrupt the goals of this forum, which is to go by the Golden Rule.
> LouFriends,
The history of the persecution of Jews involves the passages and the interpretation of those passages as used to arouse hatred toward the Jews. You may be ignorant of how anti-Semitic propaganda has been used and how it is used today. In this discussion, the bible passages cited by the poster that has Jesus using a whip in relation to those that sold doves and the money changer in the temple, was used historically that resulted in millions of Jewish children having atrocities committed against them and murdered. It is through anti-Semitic propaganda that the uninformed could be persuaded to hate Jews. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. It's so easy.
Here is some information that I think could help if you intend to be a discussant in this thread or parallel threads. To see thisZ:
A. Go to Google and type in:
[ nobeliefs, compiled by Jim Walker, brandishing his whip, Eckart ]
It will be first and clicking on it brings up pictures. I would like for you to view the first three pictures and read the caption under them. You see, the passage with the money changers involves Jesus using a whip.
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 14, 2015, at 18:56:08
In reply to Lou's reply to ed and friends-histrclheyt, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 8:38:44
>...disgusted at *their* love for money when so many people went without...
>others, can post here even more insults to Judaism and Jews with impunityAre you suggesting no one should be able to mention that part of the Bible for fear of inciting anti-Semitism? I do not see any evidence that Judaism was insulted. That is entirely your interpretation, which appears to be profoundly skewed in the direction of seeing insults where none exist.
No doubt... some Jews do love money. Some Christians love money too. Some Muslims love money. Some non-believers love money. Jesus was, presumably, suggesting that it is not a good thing to love money. Although this part of the Bible may have been used to incite hatred against Jews at some points in time, I see no evidence whatsoever that that applies in this instance.
>could allow some readers to feel that Judaism is being insulted here as being supportive
That would be a stretch...
>in Mr. Hsiung's thinking will be good for this community as a whole and arouse hatred toward the Jews
I seriously doubt Dr. Bob would find it acceptable to arouse hatred against anyone. Although I cannot speak for him, the issue seems to be that Dr. Bob simply doesn't believe that any hatred was aroused. I would agree with that sentiment.
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