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Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 19:43:44
In reply to from the most attention seeking person EVER! » Fallen4MyT, posted by karen_kay on January 7, 2007, at 13:40:25
These are good ideas but they have nothing to do with this topic. I use to be a greeter on the newbie board. Maybe, being you have ideas on this you could start your own thread ON THAT topic? Many may have ideas to help them. I tend to stick to topics when I am in a thread on X I talk about X
> i've never changed my name. i'd think if someone wants attention, they'd get more by retaining their name. lord knows the poor newbies get so little attention. how bout suggestions for that? how to make the newbies feel even more welcome (and please don't let it involved compromising photos. never again!)
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 19:56:46
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Fallen4MyT, posted by gardenergirl on January 7, 2007, at 19:38:30
> > I myself am not assuming. I do not know who may be assuming. I feel some may be assuming that names are changed for valid reason only.
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> How do you determine what's valid and what's not?
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> gg
GG I did not state I have determined one way or another I said MAY have...that leaves it open to the reader. I feel there may be valid reasons and their may be not so valid reasons. I FEEL also that a few name changes a year could cover most to all mistakes one could make in picking a message board name. I am not a black and white thinker that is why I have looked at this from all sides and feel a few name changes could be helpful and too many could lead someone to avoid working on the issues that create within them a need for a name change.
Posted by karen_kay on January 7, 2007, at 20:05:18
In reply to Re: whoa! » karen_kay, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 14:20:41
sorry, is that better?
and lucky you to have never regretted posting anything. i'm already starting to regret anything i've written on this thread.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 20:11:17
In reply to FALLEN is not attention seeking » Fallen4MyT, posted by karen_kay on January 7, 2007, at 20:05:18
Thank you KK I appreciate this...I am sorry you feel regret over some posting. I tend to take a moment before I speak or write so that I do not regret what I say or even do in my off line life. I am not robotic by any means lol but I think I tend to think ahead on how things could impact someone else..as well as myself. There are times I would love to say or do things but I know if I did it would come back and bite me. Though I have a vivid imagination and that may help me keep my impulses in check.
> sorry, is that better?
>
> and lucky you to have never regretted posting anything. i'm already starting to regret anything i've written on this thread.
Posted by notfred on January 7, 2007, at 21:06:08
In reply to Re: from the most attention seeking person EVER! » karen_kay, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 14:15:11
".I asked Dr Bob because he is a doctor. "
Where was this covered in medical school ?
Somewhat of a tangent but I think this is a problem on this site. People treat and expect Dr. Bob to act here as a medical doc. Despite Dr Bob making this clear. Not to mention the medical ethics issues.Dr Bob is the ***moderator*** and ***owner*** of this board. I would think the moderator and/or owner would have an informed opinion on name change limits. I cannot see how a medical doc would.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 21:26:07
In reply to Re: from the most attention seeking person EVER!, posted by notfred on January 7, 2007, at 21:06:08
I know who and what Dr Bob does and that he owns the site I have been a member for MANY years. However, I do know he is still a doctor and reads the posts and emails sent to him (we do not read his emails, babble mail etc) thus I asked him that ONE question. I also asked for opinions on caps by ALL but that ONE question I asked of Dr Bob and he is free not to reply.
> ".I asked Dr Bob because he is a doctor. "
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> Where was this covered in medical school ?
> Somewhat of a tangent but I think this is a problem on this site. People treat and expect Dr. Bob to act here as a medical doc. Despite Dr Bob making this clear. Not to mention the medical ethics issues.
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> Dr Bob is the ***moderator*** and ***owner*** of this board. I would think the moderator and/or owner would have an informed opinion on name change limits. I cannot see how a medical doc would.
>
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2007, at 11:13:45
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 7, 2007, at 19:56:46
> > > I myself am not assuming. I do not know who may be assuming. I feel some may be assuming that names are changed for valid reason only.
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> > How do you determine what's valid and what's not?
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> > gg
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> GG I did not state I have determined one way or another I said MAY have...Actually, you said you didn't know who *may* be *assuming*. Your use of "may" in this case is not modifying "valid". Hence, my question.
> I feel there may be valid reasons and their may be not so valid reasons.
Again, then, what determines what's a "valid" reason and what's a "not so valid" reason?
>...and too many could lead someone to avoid working on the issues that create within them a need for a name change.
Similarly, how is someone else's alleged "issue that creates within them a need for a name change" a problem for anyone else? Who are we to decide that rules should be made to help others address their "issues"? Or that someone else should address their own "issues" at all?
I'm uncomfortable with this line of reasoning as justification of a new rule change.
gg
Posted by GGGabbi on January 8, 2007, at 18:33:45
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » notfred, posted by gardenergirl on January 7, 2007, at 19:03:29
Three wasn't actually a suggestion.
I was using it as meaning more than a couple not a final number.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 8, 2007, at 19:23:58
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Fallen4MyT, posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2007, at 11:13:45
> > > > I myself am not assuming. I do not know who may be assuming. I feel some may be assuming that names are changed for valid reason only.
> > >
> > > How do you determine what's valid and what's not?
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> > > gg
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> > GG I did not state I have determined one way or another I said MAY have...
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> Actually, you said you didn't know who *may* be *assuming*. Your use of "may" in this case is not modifying "valid". Hence, my question.
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> > I feel there may be valid reasons and their may be not so valid reasons.
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> Again, then, what determines what's a "valid" reason and what's a "not so valid" reason?
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> >...and too many could lead someone to avoid working on the issues that create within them a need for a name change.
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> Similarly, how is someone else's alleged "issue that creates within them a need for a name change" a problem for anyone else? Who are we to decide that rules should be made to help others address their "issues"? Or that someone else should address their own "issues" at all?
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> I'm uncomfortable with this line of reasoning as justification of a new rule change.
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> gg
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>One could wonder who are we to reason there isn't a need for a cap! WE have all had a say in many rules on here..who are we to say on anything in here at all really? How is this suggestion any different? Dr Bob has stated he is open to the subject. I feel that is enough reason to consider it.
It's Dr Bob's site and his call. I will not debate nor argue as that would not be civil and I am bound by the rules.
I am stating my feelings and opinions as well as beliefs. I understand some do not agree you being one GG
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2007, at 20:39:00
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » gardenergirl, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 8, 2007, at 19:23:58
It's really a simple question, Fallen. You've referenced "valid" name changes versus "not so valid" name changes. I would like to know from you or from anyone what that means. I never knew there were "valid" name changes and "not so valid" name changes. I just thought there were name changes. So I'm sure you can understand my confusion.
gg
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 8, 2007, at 20:59:08
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Fallen4MyT, posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2007, at 20:39:00
> It's really a simple question, Fallen. You've referenced "valid" name changes versus "not so valid" name changes. I would like to know from you or from anyone what that means. I never knew there were "valid" name changes and "not so valid" name changes. I just thought there were name changes. So I'm sure you can understand my confusion.
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> ggNo to be very honest I don't understand your (as you state) confusion but that is O.K it may just be a sematics issue. Wow in all the years I have been a member on here I have never heard from you this much. You may babblemail me if you wish but on this I feel we are just going in circles and both still and will feel as we do. That is really O.K we do not have to agree.
Posted by notfred on January 8, 2007, at 23:38:23
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » gardenergirl, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 8, 2007, at 19:23:58
I agree with gardenergirl's points. I would also point out that debate is civil. That is the point;
it is a debate and not an argument.If it is not broken, do not fix it. No one has brought forth a hard case where this has been a problem.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 9, 2007, at 0:26:31
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by notfred on January 8, 2007, at 23:38:23
> I agree with gardenergirl's points. I would also point out that debate is civil. That is the point;
> it is a debate and not an argument.
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> If it is not broken, do not fix it. No one has brought forth a hard case where this has been a problem.
Dr Bob stated above he too has wondered on caps. Could he too feel it is broken?
I believe and feel it IS broken....and....I have stated why..to the best of my ability within the PB guildlines.I have not seen much said on why someone would need to change their name 1000 times a year.
I didn't say debate is not civil it can be. I am just not one to go in circles. I never have been *on this site*.
Well OK once I did way back. I stood up against private gated communities. I left (did not post) in protest and left for wow maybe 2 years or so. I did this NOT because I thought it would change Dr Bob's mind but because I felt if they did it I would not feel comfortable excluding some members from some rooms. I felt and feel it is much worse than a block. I could not be happy knowing orange people could not join with the purple people
I have very strong views and respect all viewpoints ...with that I hope others will respect mine
I came back when I was told the gated communities did not happen and only because of that.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 9, 2007, at 18:35:25
In reply to Name changes, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 30, 2006, at 0:42:31
I was talking with a poster in chat last night who has stated she has changed her name often. The subject of blocks came up...I too would not like blocks for name changes so I was thinking it could be set up to just make one unable to change their name after X amount of times. I know of two other sites that do that and I feel that is fair. Again I would not like to see blocks in this case Dr Bob.
Posted by Llurpsienoodle on January 9, 2007, at 23:13:26
In reply to Re: Name changes, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 9, 2007, at 18:35:25
I'm changing my name.
I got a sunburn and the old name is peeling.
-L
Posted by gardenergirl on January 10, 2007, at 8:44:47
In reply to Re: Name changes, posted by Llurpsienoodle on January 9, 2007, at 23:13:26
Posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2007, at 4:30:28
> Well, 3 starting from whenever the policy takes effect?
Okay.
> Would 5 be better? 3 might be easier to remember, since other policies use 3...Well, 5 might be better. Or twelve per year. But I think lots of number might be better because I don't really think there should be a cap.
But since you mentioned 3 being easier to remember because of other policies which use 3...I guess I'd like to add that I've been here for a few years, now (just over umm, 3, actually ;) ). I think I stay within the civility guidelines, and I've never received a PBC. Part of that is my own need to be "good" and follow the rules, of course, but that said, I'm finding it harder and harder to know and remember all the rules that have been implemented and/or are being discussed. I generally pay at least partial attention to Admin, but I have to admit, I don't visit the FAQs all that often. I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules. :(
> It's still up for discussion. Everything's always up for discussion. :-)
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> BobFair enough.
Maybe I should have asked if you've already made a decision and, if so, can your mind be changed?
Oh, and I thought of another thing related to name changes. I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.Make sense? Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.
Anyway, thanks for your earlier responses, Dr. Bob.I hope you're ready for the snow on Sunday...and GO BEARS! :-)
Laurie
Posted by notfred on January 11, 2007, at 15:13:20
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11
"I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules."
I don't see people getting blocked for these issues, they just receive a warning or perhaps a PBC.
Posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 16:31:14
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by notfred on January 11, 2007, at 15:13:20
> "I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules."
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> I don't see people getting blocked for these issues, they just receive a warning or perhaps a PBC.That's true. I don't see it either. But does that mean we don't need to be aware of those rules and try to follow them?
I know...not wanting to add another rule to follow isn't the most compelling argument for not putting a name change cap in place. I was just feeling whiny, I guess.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:11
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11
> If you set a cap, I think that folks ought to be able to email you to request another change for special circumstances if they go over the cap.
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> ggSure, it's important to be flexible. :-)
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> Maybe I should have asked if you've already made a decision
No, I think I might wait until I'm ready to make some other changes to the name-changing process.
> I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.
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> Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.
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> LaurieIt would be OK to do that. Except that the 2nd post here should be by the old name. :-)
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:34
In reply to from the most attention seeking person EVER! » Fallen4MyT, posted by karen_kay on January 7, 2007, at 13:40:25
> lord knows the poor newbies get so little attention. how bout suggestions for that? how to make the newbies feel even more welcome
That's something else I've been wondering about. I think if a newbie got a response to their first post that would be a good start?
Bob
Posted by All Done on January 12, 2007, at 4:46:18
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:11
> > I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.
> >
> > Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.
> >
> > Laurie
>
> It would be OK to do that. Except that the 2nd post here should be by the old name. :-)
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> BobYou're kidding me, right? That was the whole point of my lengthy scenario/question. If we can't use the new name to post that we're changing back to the old name...well, that pretty much defeats the whole purpose of what I was trying to do, no?
Why does it have to be the old name?
Thanks,
Laurie
Posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 10:47:45
In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:34
I dunno how other boards are, but on psychology most posts will get at least 1 hit. New or otherwise.
Sometimes there's a time lapse b4 anyone notices that noone has responded and then there will be a post.
Now I been here awhile its not as big a deal personally cuz i get responses from other posts.
But as I sit here thinking, I can remember it being downright agonizing when I was new.....
It just seems like common sense to me to try and welcome a name you don't recognize, or aknowledge one you do?
Does it actually happen very often that a new person is ignored???
If I ever do it, please someone b-mail me and tell me.
Muffled
P.S. I never goto newbie board cuz i get too overwhelmed by trying to goto too many boards.
I guess I would be willing to go on a certain day/week if others were willing to go into a rotation with me....I would need to know there's consistancy there...
OR mebbe just START people on psychology FIRST (can you tell I have a bias here????) and we can welcome and direct them to the best boards for them?
There are SO many boards, do they all get good usage?
I still think the psycho babble board should be renamed some how...
Yeah, I know I not supposed to be here,
Apparently some part of me is an eternal optimist...
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:32
In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 12, 2007, at 4:46:18
> You're kidding me, right? That was the whole point of my lengthy scenario/question. If we can't use the new name to post that we're changing back to the old name...well, that pretty much defeats the whole purpose of what I was trying to do, no?
>
> Why does it have to be the old name?Because people are more interested in who's posting than in who's not posting? People might suspect, but there wouldn't be any definitive connection between the two names...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:36
In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 10:47:45
> It just seems like common sense to me to try and welcome a name you don't recognize, or aknowledge one you do?
That's the idea of the green "new" indicators. Which can be on any board, new posters don't always post first on Newbies. Maybe not on Psychology, but sometimes they don't get responded to. :-(
Bob
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