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Posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
i'm at a loss. my brain's not working. a/m is bad, better by about 3:00. have little more energy and such. but then also have insomnia.
the lamictal gave me bad side effects, proc thought it was onset of SJS. so that's a wash.
i don't think pdoc has any idea what to try next.
all i know is i can't afford to gain anymore weight. I'm pretty sure i'm at a health risk now. but need energy in order to loose some of this weight!should i go for TCA?
course i think that's kinda it. i can't do lithium and i don't want to do MOAI unless absolutely necessary.most sari's don't work.
dx: bipolar with mixed episodes, or psychotic depression...
anxiety, ptsd.been on most SSRI's and AD's and now mood stabilizers also. items either didn't work or had bad reactions to them. some just pooped out.
i can give a list again, but i'm actually tired and am going to try to go to sleep.
night all....
...to a better tomorrow...b2
Posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 0:56:42
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Based upon your descriptions in the past, it would be interesting to explore combining Trileptal with Wellbutrin and Abilify if you have not already done so.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 1:08:06
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
> Based upon your descriptions in the past, it would be interesting to explore combining Trileptal with Wellbutrin and Abilify if you have not already done so.
Actually, Saphris might be a better choice of antipsychotic than Abilify. I have seen a woman of 5' 4" lose 30 pounds in 6 months while on it. The excess weight was a product of Seroquel.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 1:49:30
In reply to Re: so what's next? » b2chica, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 1:08:06
I dunno why, but I was thinking an AAP, a stimulant (Focalin, Ritalin, Vyvanse...something), an anticonvulsant mood stabilizer, and maybe something for anxiety, like Lyrica or Neurontin.
Just a thought...very similar to what Scott was suggesting, just...I dunno, this one woman I knew, she did well on Adderall+Seroquel when all else seemed to fail. AP/AAP+stimulant combos are becoming more common, and they help some people.
Posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 1:49:30
> AP/AAP+stimulant combos are becoming more common, and they help some people.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 7:05:28
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
How about not doing anything.
Taking meds just for the sake of "being on something" doesnt seem like a good idea.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 9:13:57
In reply to Re: so what's next? » b2chica, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 1:08:06
> > Based upon your descriptions in the past, it would be interesting to explore combining Trileptal with Wellbutrin and Abilify if you have not already done so.
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> Actually, Saphris might be a better choice of antipsychotic than Abilify. I have seen a woman of 5' 4" lose 30 pounds in 6 months while on it. The excess weight was a product of Seroquel.
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> - ScottFriends,
Beware of false doctors, for they could come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they could be ravening wolves.
And you mothers, trying to decide to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, take heed that no man deceive you. For false doctors shall arise and could even deceive the very intelligent people.
You see, taking these drugs carry the risk of addiction, or a life-ruining condition or death. And the doctor giving the drugs could say that he/she does not know if the drug will help you or not, but to take a chance that could lead to your death, addiction or life-ruining condition. And if the drug does not give you the relief you think or the doctor thinks, taking it for weeks to find out could induce an addiction or life-ruining condition. You see, the party-line is that different people react differently to these drugs so you do not know if the drug will kill your child or not, or kill yourself or a loved one that you have in your care. Take a chance?
The posters here could persuade you to take that chance because the site here has that being supportive takes precedence which could lead you down a road that has its end in death. For these drugs can increase suicidal thinking and homicidal thinking or just kill the taker by heart attack or CNS depression or induce serotonin syndrome to the taker's death.
What good will it do you to follow the advise of people here that are not doctors that could have you loose your own child? Take a chance? Last year alone it is estimated that over 42,000 people died from these drugs. They took a chance? What are the odds? Do you know?
If you are considering following these poster here advocating to take these drugs, I would like for you to have your provider enter this forum and have dialog with me. Then you could know the rest of the story.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2015, at 9:27:42
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
I'm so sorry you are having such a hard time right now. Phillipa
Posted by stan_the_man70 on April 11, 2015, at 10:59:19
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
hi wat's up?
feel any better ?
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 12:24:04
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
yeah, me either...I googled it, because I've known that one woman who had such excellent results and because I was on Adderall w/ on again, off again Abilify, so...I was curious...
The AAPs have taken over, and it seems they're used a lot more in "cocktails," many of which include stimulants. Makes sense.
Some of the early "antidepressants" were amphetamines mixed with the early neuroleptics. I thought that was crazy, until I thought about it...makes sense. Low dose thorazine, varying doses of Dexedrine...anti-anxiety+agitation, maybe a bit of sedation, plus mood elevation...
...of course, some of those combos were primarily for weight loss. Eskatrol (dexedrine plus prochlorperazine) comes to mind.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 12:24:04
How does that make sense?
Pushing dopamine through the roof and then shutting it down again?
IDK, there is this notion on this board that
psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2015, at 19:21:38
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
Me either and lately the Medical Nursing and doc notifications I get are saying the same. One is that TCA's are safer than SSRI's & SNRI"s. Tylenol causes liver failure even in safe amounts, and motrin or any of it's derivitives can cause heart attacks, bleeding internally etc. Phillipa
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:43:54
In reply to Beware of false doctors-tehykehychanz, posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 9:13:57
Does suggesting to people they should discontinue their medications make you a "false doctor" as well?
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:50:37
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
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> IDK, there is this notion on this board that
> psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
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>I don't think everyone here thinks that way. I see a variety of viewpoints regarding psychiatry which I find useful.
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:52:45
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
I'm sorry to hear things are still really rough for you right now. Have you thought about getting a second opinion from a different pdoc?
What alternative treatments have you tried?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 21:33:52
In reply to Re: Beware of false doctors-tehykehychanzonme » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:43:54
> Does suggesting to people they should discontinue their medications make you a "false doctor" as well?
>
> h_ps and friends,
It is written here,[...suggesting to people that they should discontinue their (drugs)...].
Let there be no misunderstanding here. There is a great danger when stopping psychiatric drugs that I have written here about as that one could go into a mind-altered state to kill themselves and/or others and even commit mass-murder.
And I have written here about that one could become in captivity to the drugs and those that want a way out, I could post here how they could do that. But the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung prevent me from posting that for it would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post here.
And those whose lives have been taken away by the drugs being allowed to be promoted here as "medicines", their blood will not be upon me, my friends. For I know the way to being delivered out of captivity from these drugs through a narrow Gate, a Gate that others will not allow to go to, a Gate that leads to life out of the darkness of depression which could be a living death as can be seen by many posters here writing of the misery and suffering that they are in while trying many of these so-called medicines.
I know a way that people can discontinue their drugs without them killing themselves and/or others. But the prohibitions here to me keep me from posting about The Great Deception, that would come from a Jewish perspective. And many will search for the Gate that leads to Eternal Life and be prevented to learn from me so there is the potential that few here there be that find it.
Here is an article that I would like interested reads to read.
Lou
To see this article go to Google and type in:
[Psychiatric drugs: by Lawrence Stevens, J.D. ]>
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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 4:01:43
In reply to Lous reply and warning- » herpills, posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 21:33:52
Current drugs are very limited.
Im waiting for Glyx-13 (Rapastinel) to come out.
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 4:52:29
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Why don't you stick with what you know works?. zyprexa, perphenazine. You can always change your diet, exercise, and take a really small dose of zyprexa. Get the biggest cheapest pill possible and cut a very little bit off it once in a while. Every day or every couple days. You didn't gain on perphenazine did you? Could you convince your doc to give you a much higher dose than in the past? Remember its cheaper than the hospital.
Also want to say that if you get a good nights sleep you will lose weight. I'm taking 20mg z a day and have been losing weight I get good sleep. Yes its Teva..
Its obvious you need a pill that will help you get good sleep! Probably from PTSD, I have that too. If I don't take z, I don't sleep, really. could be awake for days. So what I'm saying is do some reaseach and find a good med that will help you sleep, mood disorder help, psychosis, etc.. I find that p actually helps my moods. I cut down on dose and I have problems, I get angry, irritable..
Zyprexa!
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:02:57
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
I should have mentioned that I take a lot of stimulants with my z and p. I drink a boat load of caffine and I take bupropion sr.
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:29:50
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
> How does that make sense?
>
> Pushing dopamine through the roof and then shutting it down again?
>
Maybe there is more to it. You are really taking the stimulant for the stimulant effect.
> IDK, there is this notion on this board that
> psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
>
..So.why do you take them??
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 12, 2015, at 5:38:36
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Lamdage22, posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:29:50
Prescribing ritalin, sometimes even amphetamines, to those on stable AP/AAP treatment used to be fairly common. How did the early patients get through clozapine sedation (late 60s) ? Ritalin. How did a lot of schizophrenic patients lose weight in the 50s-70s? Amphetamines and amphetamine-type diet pills. Nothing new.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 6:06:29
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:02:57
Because i cant just stop taking them.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 7:48:40
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 12, 2015, at 5:38:36
This just underlines how random psychiatry is.
Prescribing antipsychotics in conjunction with "pro-psychotics".
Who cares. At least people are geared up on something.
Posted by phidippus on April 12, 2015, at 8:31:40
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Do you know how rare SJS is?
Go back on the lamictal.
Eric
Posted by SLS on April 12, 2015, at 8:54:14
In reply to Re: so what's next? » b2chica, posted by phidippus on April 12, 2015, at 8:31:40
> Do you know how rare SJS is?
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> Go back on the lamictal.
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> EricI tend to agree with Eric. Just in case, try using the titration guide suggested in the PDR (RxList) for people who are starting Lamictal while already taking Depakote. It starts at a lower dosage and works up more gradually. Because you are not taking Depakote, however, your final dosage will be the standard found to work for bipolar depression 200 - 300 mg/day. Trileptal + Lamictal makes a good combination for people who are bipolar 2 mixed-state. You might even profit from adding Wellbutrin.
As always,
Good luck.
- Scott
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