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Posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:55
Im wondering where all the psychiatrists are going to go work in twenty or thirty more years, after its formally absorbed by Neurology? In my opinion, all psychiatrists deserve to be working at Seven Eleven. Or maybe Wal-Mart. Thats where they really belong and could really use their skills. Actually, they have no skills and should be considered unskilled labor and only make minimum wage.
Ive compiled a list of future potential jobs for psychiatrists who find themselves out of work in the future, due to high tech Neurology approaches taking over.
1) Seven Eleven worker
2) Wal-Mart worker
3) McDonalds
4) A few could switch over to Neurology nursing
5) Sams Club worker
6) Snake oil salesman
7) GNC salesman (selling snake oil)
8) Gas station attendantShalom
Posted by krem on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:56
In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31
Shalom, I completely agree, EXCEPT, psychiatrist will not be able to survive if they can't protect the imbalance of power they have with their clients. (We PAY them, remember?)
another good job suggestion is: whore
There actually is a little bit of the imbalance of power there, albeit on both sides of the equation.
With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.
I know medicine is an imperfect discipline, doctors are human, and we all make mistakes. But I wish doctors also knew these things.
Posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:56
In reply to I LOVE IT, posted by krem on December 1, 2004, at 20:01:30
> Shalom, I completely agree, EXCEPT, psychiatrist will not be able to survive if they can't protect the imbalance of power they have with their clients. (We PAY them, remember?)
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> another good job suggestion is: whore
>
> There actually is a little bit of the imbalance of power there, albeit on both sides of the equation.
>
> With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.
>
> I know medicine is an imperfect discipline, doctors are human, and we all make mistakes. But I wish doctors also knew these things.
psychiatrists are not real Medical Doctors. They are MDs in technicality only.Shalom
Posted by Glydin on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:57
In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31
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> 1) Seven Eleven worker
> 2) Wal-Mart worker
> 3) McDonalds
> 4) A few could switch over to Neurology nursing
> 5) Sams Club worker
> 6) Snake oil salesman
> 7) GNC salesman (selling snake oil)
> 8) Gas station attendant
Some here may actually be in the jobs you listed. What was your intention by listing those?
Posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:57
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Glydin on December 1, 2004, at 21:20:06
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> >
> > 1) Seven Eleven worker
> > 2) Wal-Mart worker
> > 3) McDonalds
> > 4) A few could switch over to Neurology nursing
> > 5) Sams Club worker
> > 6) Snake oil salesman
> > 7) GNC salesman (selling snake oil)
> > 8) Gas station attendant
>
>
> Some here may actually be in the jobs you listed. What was your intention by listing those?My intention was to make fun of psychiatrists by pointing out that most of them are idiots and should be working in unskilled labor jobs.
Shalom
Posted by Glydin on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:58
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 21:23:03
Thanks for your clarification. Further discussion by me would only lead to discord.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:58
In reply to I LOVE IT, posted by krem on December 1, 2004, at 20:01:30
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> another good job suggestion is: ____
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> With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.
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> another good job suggestion is: ____
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> With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.I acknowledge that you apologized here; however, I am still upset by your suggestion for a future job for psychiatrists. While I am not a psychiatrist, as a therapist in training, it's not a far stretch to apply your suggestion to others in helping professions when you factor in the need to be paid for our skills.
I hope you can understand how the sensitive topic of payment for my skills and expertise while working in a field that feels like a calling to me is not something I can take lightly.
I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with a psychiatrist, but please do not generalize that to all psychiatrists.
Thanks,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:59
In reply to Re: I LOVE IT, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 21:14:17
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> psychiatrists are not real Medical Doctors. They are MDs in technicality only.Actually, they go through the same requirements for medical school, internship, and residency, so I am not sure what you mean by "in technicality only."
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 23:16:59
In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31
What a lovely service you have provided to psychiatrists everywhere. I'm sure that this list will make the rounds among medical students and psychiatric list serves where it will get the attention it warrants.
Thanks again,
ggNamaste
Posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 23:17:00
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » Shalom34Israel, posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 22:30:26
> What a lovely service you have provided to psychiatrists everywhere. I'm sure that this list will make the rounds among medical students and psychiatric list serves where it will get the attention it warrants.
>
> Thanks again,
> gg
>
> Namaste
Hi Namaste, I see you have decided to become a "therapist" AKA psychology bullshitter. And join the wonderful world known as the mental health profession <sarcasm>. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.There are a lot of criticisms and complaints regarding the mental health profession, psychiatry and psychology. One day the field will be destroyed and replaced with Neurology. With real brain science. Psychiatry is not a scientific branch of medicine. It is a pseudu-science and gets poor results, particularly for severe mental illnesses.
You should read some Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, MD books to get the "lowdown" on the real deal regarding serious mental illness. You sound very naiive and very "psychobabbly."
BTW, therapy is useless for any kind of severe mental illness. What many of these people need are new brains (literally). Instead of therapists, many of these people afflicted with severe mental illness need genetic engineering solutions which will regrow atrophied brain areas. We need NASA high technology applied to the brain and mental illness, we dont need you and your "therapy."
Shalom...and kiss my ass
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2004, at 23:29:32
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 22:58:42
> I see you have decided to become a "therapist" AKA psychology bullsh[*]tter.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down or use language that could offend others. The last time you were blocked it was for 1 week, so this time it's for 3.
Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 1, 2004, at 23:53:03
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Glydin on December 1, 2004, at 21:20:06
I agree this bothered me as my husband lost his job and JUST has a regular job now :( I have a lot of friends who work at McDonalds and well enough said
> >
> > 1) Seven Eleven worker
> > 2) Wal-Mart worker
> > 3) McDonalds
> > 4) A few could switch over to Neurology nursing
> > 5) Sams Club worker
> > 6) Snake oil salesman
> > 7) GNC salesman (selling snake oil)
> > 8) Gas station attendant
>
>
> Some here may actually be in the jobs you listed. What was your intention by listing those?
Posted by sdjeff on December 2, 2004, at 0:45:19
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » Glydin, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 1, 2004, at 23:53:03
For your information Shalom,
I WAS a 7-11 worker. I currently do not work, due to my illness. So before you go and put down people who work in these types of jobs consider the individuals you are putting down. I'd like to know what you do for a living, looking down your nose at the rest of us, oh exhaulted one. But since you were blocked for 3 weeks I guess I will never find out.
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 2, 2004, at 0:52:23
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 21:23:03
She's got internet access.
Posted by Poet on December 2, 2004, at 1:14:55
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by sdjeff on December 2, 2004, at 0:45:19
I'm with you Jeff.
I keep getting turned down for temp jobs. I would never sneer at someone who works at a 7-11 or other store. They have jobs, I envy them.
There are probably lots of psychiatrists who used to work at convenience stores. Maybe not in med school, but as undergrads.
Poet
Posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 6:33:00
In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31
Posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » Glydin, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 1, 2004, at 23:53:03
> I agree this bothered me as my husband lost his job and JUST has a regular job now :( I have a lot of friends who work at McDonalds and well enough said
~~~Kudos to your husband and those friends you mentioned.The original rant of this post was aimed at pdocs. The fallout and bigger matter, appeared to me, as a putdown of the those professions listed. Grading someones profession or job is something that angers me. Whether I am working in the housekeeping department or the CEO, I'm just as valid and important to the running of the company.
I think the basic point of the original post gets lost in an ill conceived and, in my opinion, judgemental attempt at trying to make point.
Posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 8:07:48
In reply to Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37
Yes but...
Some jobs are artifical or become redundant. The skills they require can also be qualified more as arts which have implicit value. There are people who aren't important to a company - as far as profit and operation are concerned - and they usually get thrown out the window.
Pyschiatrist will continually have to retrain as old theories and methods of diagnosis become debunked. Then maybe they'll become "neurologists".
Other peoples jobs are made useless by technological advancement and they're forced to retrain. I don't think people who work in McDonalds or WalMart, or their equivalents, will ever be replaced by robots though...How much skill do I need to work at McDonalds? Not much. A bit of McDonalds specific training maybe, none of which I would consider "skills".
The only thing I have to be is a human being who's willing to work which SHOULD be of great value.Jobs like these are the backbone of society and will never get old.
I find it hillarious that such places will hire someone who has more skills or training ( even if it's completely unrelated to the job ) over someone who doesn't which is merely a sign of our times. They say "you must have a colledge degree to get a job!".....many jobs these days are way to "high up the food chain" and alot of them are more of an indulgence than a necessary for survival.
Posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 8:47:03
In reply to Re: Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 8:07:48
I think we differ on how we define the word "skills" as a concept.
Posted by jujube on December 2, 2004, at 10:15:54
In reply to Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37
Posted by All Done on December 2, 2004, at 10:53:14
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 22:58:42
> Hi Namaste, I see you have decided to become a "therapist" AKA psychology bulls*****r. And join the wonderful world known as the mental health profession <sarcasm>. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.
> Shalom34Israel,
I understand that you are blocked, but if you are still reading, I would like to tell you that GardenerGirl is hardly a bulls*****r and she has quite a bit to be proud of. She has worked and is still working hard to become the kind of therapist many of us would love to work with. We can only hope the field is someday flooded with people as intelligent and caring as she is and I, for one, feel very lucky that she is part of our community here.
I am sorry if you had a bad experience with a psychiatrist or for whatever gave you the opinion you have, but if you decide to come back after your block, I believe you owe GardenerGirl an apology.
Laurie
Posted by fi on December 2, 2004, at 11:41:44
In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31
Ah, but wouldnt they make it too slow, and keep asking 'how does that make you feel?' after telling you the price!! Or lecturing you on the perils of junk food, and that you would be much better jogging to deal with your uncomfortable feelings!
Fi
Posted by sunny10 on December 2, 2004, at 12:48:06
In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by fi on December 2, 2004, at 11:41:44
If Shalom doesn't believe in psychiatry or psychology he/she has no reason for being allowed here.
We have tenderhearted people here who are actually trying to help themselves; not looking to get hit in the head with the emotional abuser's hammer.
In a short period of time, this person is already up to a 3 week block- but has ALREADY harmed others.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 2, 2004, at 15:52:06
In reply to Re: About GardenerGirl » Shalom34Israel, posted by All Done on December 2, 2004, at 10:53:14
Thanks Laurie,
You are very sweet to defend my honor. Made my day.
gg
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 2, 2004, at 17:04:04
In reply to alt-ctrl-delete for you my friend!! (nm) » Shalom34Israel, posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 6:33:00
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