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Don't all jobs require skills?

Posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37

In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » Glydin, posted by Fallen4MyT on December 1, 2004, at 23:53:03

> I agree this bothered me as my husband lost his job and JUST has a regular job now :( I have a lot of friends who work at McDonalds and well enough said


~~~Kudos to your husband and those friends you mentioned.

The original rant of this post was aimed at pdocs. The fallout and bigger matter, appeared to me, as a putdown of the those professions listed. Grading someones profession or job is something that angers me. Whether I am working in the housekeeping department or the CEO, I'm just as valid and important to the running of the company.

I think the basic point of the original post gets lost in an ill conceived and, in my opinion, judgemental attempt at trying to make point.

 

Re: Don't all jobs require skills?

Posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 8:07:48

In reply to Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37

Yes but...

Some jobs are artifical or become redundant. The skills they require can also be qualified more as arts which have implicit value. There are people who aren't important to a company - as far as profit and operation are concerned - and they usually get thrown out the window.

Pyschiatrist will continually have to retrain as old theories and methods of diagnosis become debunked. Then maybe they'll become "neurologists".

Other peoples jobs are made useless by technological advancement and they're forced to retrain. I don't think people who work in McDonalds or WalMart, or their equivalents, will ever be replaced by robots though...

How much skill do I need to work at McDonalds? Not much. A bit of McDonalds specific training maybe, none of which I would consider "skills".
The only thing I have to be is a human being who's willing to work which SHOULD be of great value.

Jobs like these are the backbone of society and will never get old.

I find it hillarious that such places will hire someone who has more skills or training ( even if it's completely unrelated to the job ) over someone who doesn't which is merely a sign of our times. They say "you must have a colledge degree to get a job!".....many jobs these days are way to "high up the food chain" and alot of them are more of an indulgence than a necessary for survival.


 

Re: Don't all jobs require skills? » lostforwards

Posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 8:47:03

In reply to Re: Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 8:07:48

I think we differ on how we define the word "skills" as a concept.

 

Well said! The job is not the measure of a person (nm) » Glydin

Posted by jujube on December 2, 2004, at 10:15:54

In reply to Don't all jobs require skills?, posted by Glydin on December 2, 2004, at 6:52:37

 

Re: About GardenerGirl » Shalom34Israel

Posted by All Done on December 2, 2004, at 10:53:14

In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 22:58:42

> Hi Namaste, I see you have decided to become a "therapist" AKA psychology bulls*****r. And join the wonderful world known as the mental health profession <sarcasm>. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.

> Shalom34Israel,

I understand that you are blocked, but if you are still reading, I would like to tell you that GardenerGirl is hardly a bulls*****r and she has quite a bit to be proud of. She has worked and is still working hard to become the kind of therapist many of us would love to work with. We can only hope the field is someday flooded with people as intelligent and caring as she is and I, for one, feel very lucky that she is part of our community here.

I am sorry if you had a bad experience with a psychiatrist or for whatever gave you the opinion you have, but if you decide to come back after your block, I believe you owe GardenerGirl an apology.

Laurie

 

Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?

Posted by fi on December 2, 2004, at 11:41:44

In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31

Ah, but wouldnt they make it too slow, and keep asking 'how does that make you feel?' after telling you the price!! Or lecturing you on the perils of junk food, and that you would be much better jogging to deal with your uncomfortable feelings!

Fi

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob

Posted by sunny10 on December 2, 2004, at 12:48:06

In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by fi on December 2, 2004, at 11:41:44

If Shalom doesn't believe in psychiatry or psychology he/she has no reason for being allowed here.

We have tenderhearted people here who are actually trying to help themselves; not looking to get hit in the head with the emotional abuser's hammer.

In a short period of time, this person is already up to a 3 week block- but has ALREADY harmed others.

 

Re: About GardenerGirl » All Done

Posted by gardenergirl on December 2, 2004, at 15:52:06

In reply to Re: About GardenerGirl » Shalom34Israel, posted by All Done on December 2, 2004, at 10:53:14

Thanks Laurie,
You are very sweet to defend my honor. Made my day.
gg

 

: ) (nm) » lostforwards

Posted by Gabbix2 on December 2, 2004, at 17:04:04

In reply to alt-ctrl-delete for you my friend!! (nm) » Shalom34Israel, posted by lostforwards on December 2, 2004, at 6:33:00

 

Session with my psychiatrist today

Posted by Shortelise on December 2, 2004, at 18:36:52

In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31

I've been seeing this psychiatrist for more than six years now.

Six years ago, when I had a job contract, I would have anxiety attacks in the couple of days before. The morning of the day I worked with those who hires me, I'd spend vomiting before I left the house, not having slept but very little the night before.

FInally, I had to quit working. I couldn't stand the sickness, the pain, the hurt.

Everyone around me seemed hostile, I was afraid of everything, afraid of practicing my trade, angry, so angry at the world, and I hated myself.

After these years of therapy with this psychiatrist, I can work. I work well, and happily. I understand about people now, and can go throughthe world with a lot of kindess instead of hosility. And I feel so much better.

Today I saw him, and we talked like two normal people. I told him about the things that are confounding me still, and we talked, and again, I felt understood, and gained some insight into some of the things I am still struggling with.

I don't know if I would have chosen to live this long if I had not had the benefit of this fine therapist.

ShortE

 

Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » Poet

Posted by sdjeff on December 2, 2004, at 20:22:25

In reply to Re: Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens? » sdjeff, posted by Poet on December 2, 2004, at 1:14:55

Thanks poet.

I know exacly what you mean. My pdoc actually did work for 7-11 during school. I could never sneer at anyone who has a job, no matter what it is. Shalom just hit a nerve. I'm better today.


> I'm with you Jeff.
>
> I keep getting turned down for temp jobs. I would never sneer at someone who works at a 7-11 or other store. They have jobs, I envy them.
>
> There are probably lots of psychiatrists who used to work at convenience stores. Maybe not in med school, but as undergrads.
>
> Poet

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10

Posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2004, at 22:39:52

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob, posted by sunny10 on December 2, 2004, at 12:48:06

> If Shalom doesn't believe in psychiatry or psychology he/she has no reason for being allowed here.
>
> We have tenderhearted people here who are actually trying to help themselves; not looking to get hit in the head with the emotional abuser's hammer.
>
> In a short period of time, this person is already up to a 3 week block- but has ALREADY harmed others.

I know who Shalom is, and he was already blocked for 64 weeks. I wish there was something that could be done to enforce these blocks better.

Lar

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » Larry Hoover

Posted by gardenergirl on December 2, 2004, at 23:39:45

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2004, at 22:39:52


>
> I know who Shalom is, and he was already blocked for 64 weeks. I wish there was something that could be done to enforce these blocks better.
>
> Lar

Gosh I hate it when somebody gets around the rules like that. And just to come here and wrea...well, you know.

Any hints? ;)

gg
>

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » Larry Hoover

Posted by verne on December 3, 2004, at 2:01:52

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2004, at 22:39:52

Lar,

I was blocked, banned for life really, at creditnet.com and I couldn't get around the block by registering under another name. Somehow they had blocked my ISP address. Perhaps, that could be done here?

I was amazed that the munster post recommending suicide didn't get a lifetime block.

verne

 

Re: Shalom » Larry Hoover

Posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2004, at 3:24:25

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2004, at 22:39:52

> I know who Shalom is, and he was already blocked for 64 weeks.

If you're willing and able to confirm that, I'd be interested...

Bob

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » verne

Posted by lostforwards on December 3, 2004, at 8:12:14

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » Larry Hoover, posted by verne on December 3, 2004, at 2:01:52

...he might just be able to get around it by going through a proxy server or using a free shell account. that's if he's really intent on coming in here and doing his thing.. : )

 

Future psychiatrists, bla bla bla...Everybody

Posted by just plain jane on December 3, 2004, at 8:26:31

In reply to Future psychiatrists to work at Seven Elevens?, posted by Shalom34Israel on December 1, 2004, at 19:49:31

Those who work in ANY of those fields, indeed, most fields, are way beyond where it counts for being able to work... ANYWHERE.

I am such a societal "misfit" (literally) that I have not been able to tolerate (as in true physiological tolerance) any kind of job for any other entity for more than a couple years. At such point, be it two days or two years, two months, two weeks and two days, my entirity simply has gone haywire (don't you love my "psychiatric" and "medical" terminology?).

My ability to cope has eroded and I have regressed so many times, rebuilt, so many times...

I'm just happy to be able to function in my little life now.

just pj

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10

Posted by GeishaGirl on December 3, 2004, at 9:46:45

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob, posted by sunny10 on December 2, 2004, at 12:48:06

Hi sunny,
> We have tenderhearted people here who are actually trying to help themselves; not looking to get hit in the head with the emotional abuser's hammer.

I agree very much with this statement. Thank you.

> If Shalom doesn't believe in psychiatry or psychology he/she has no reason for being allowed here.

This statement, although not specifically directed at me, deeply pains me.I have been traumatized by psychiatry and psychology. I don't believe in it for *myself*. Neither works for me. From my perspective, others need to make up their own minds and choose what works best for them. If psychiatry and/ or psychology works for someone, I am all for that.

I am here for peer support, that's what works for me. Even though you only mentioned Shalom's name, I feel the implication of your statement is that no one who believes in psychiatry or psychology belongs here. From my perspective, everyone is different. Just because I feel I have been traumatized by both psychiatry and psychology doesn't mean that I'll react in the same manner as someone else and go bashing people who use their services or those who want to go into those professions. That to me is wrong. We are all here to heal.

I find Shalom's message to Garden Girl (I hope I got her name right, this is a long thread) completely unacceptable. I'm really sorry about what he wrote. I certainly never would have said that.

Geisha Girl


 

Re: I LOVE IT---Gardenergirl

Posted by GeishaGirl on December 3, 2004, at 10:07:24

In reply to Re: I LOVE IT, posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 22:24:46

Hi gg,

I apologize for what Shalom wrote to you. I am apologizing because I've been traumatized by psychiatry and psychology to the point where I use neither service. I find any kind of bashing of the sort I feel you received as totally unacceptable. To assume that everyone who goes into either of these professions will traumatize others is not only a serious mistake from my perspective, but also cruel. I have met many psychiatrists and pyschologists whom I condsider friends and/ or allies. I commend you for following your calling. I wish you happiness and good fortune.

Geisha Girl

You're right, not everyone
> > another good job suggestion is: ____
> >
> > With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.
> >
>
> >>
> > another good job suggestion is: ____
> >
> > With apologies to all the sincere doctors out there.
>
> I acknowledge that you apologized here; however, I am still upset by your suggestion for a future job for psychiatrists. While I am not a psychiatrist, as a therapist in training, it's not a far stretch to apply your suggestion to others in helping professions when you factor in the need to be paid for our skills.
>
> I hope you can understand how the sensitive topic of payment for my skills and expertise while working in a field that feels like a calling to me is not something I can take lightly.
>
> I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with a psychiatrist, but please do not generalize that to all psychiatrists.
>
> Thanks,
> gg
>
>

 

Re: I LOVE IT

Posted by krem on December 3, 2004, at 14:06:52

In reply to Re: I LOVE IT, posted by gardenergirl on December 1, 2004, at 22:24:46

gardengirl,
I really am sorry about offending you! I can definitely understand why the post I made was offensive and to be honest, after I wrote it I was more than a little chagrined.

You're right, I have trouble with some of the strange dynamics in the doctor-patient relationship with psychiatry. I have no doubt that you are sincere in your training to be a therapist and that you will be an excellent one and help people.

It feels weird to me sometimes, that I pay someone and I tell them things that make me so vulnerable, but they are closed entirely to me. Recently I thought about how I invited people I wasn't close to at all to my wedding, and that I feel very close to my shrink, but that it would cross ethical boundaries if I'd invited her. At least I think it would. It's a strange relationship, and sometimes I feel strange about it.

It's also hard sometimes to feel like a doctor is really honestly focusing on how to help me be healthy and happy when the spectre of malpractice is always looming.

But I really really do apologize gardengirl. I wish you the best in your studies and in your eventual practice.

 

Re: I LOVE ITgardnergirl apologies

Posted by krem on December 3, 2004, at 14:09:47

In reply to Re: I LOVE IT, posted by krem on December 3, 2004, at 14:06:52

> gardengirl,
> I really am sorry about offending you! I can definitely understand why the post I made was offensive and to be honest, after I wrote it I was more than a little chagrined!
>
> You're right, I have trouble with some of the strange dynamics in the doctor-patient relationship with psychiatry. I have no doubt that you are sincere in your training to be a therapist and that you will be an excellent one and help people.
>
> It feels weird to me sometimes, that I pay someone and I tell them things that make me so vulnerable, but they are closed entirely to me. Recently I thought about how I invited people I wasn't close to at all to my wedding, and that I feel very close to my shrink, but that it would cross ethical boundaries if I'd invited her. At least I think it would. It's a strange relationship, and sometimes I feel strange about it.
>
> It's also hard sometimes to feel like a doctor is really honestly focusing on how to help me be healthy and happy when the spectre of malpractice is always looming.
>
> But I really really do apologize gardengirl. I wish you the best in your studies and in your eventual practice.

 

Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » GeishaGirl

Posted by sunny10 on December 5, 2004, at 14:15:55

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » sunny10, posted by GeishaGirl on December 3, 2004, at 9:46:45

Oh, no, I was referring to mental health as studies- not suggesting that you have to be seeing a pdoc or T to be here.

I AM SO SORRY if it sounded that way, GeishaGirl !

I am not seeing a T or pdoc right now, either, because they didn't work for me.

I was trying (and failing, I guess) to say that if he doesn't believe that people can be psychologically unwell and not be able to "just pull up their boot straps" that they didn't have a place here. We are all here to try to help each other and ourselves. If Shalom cannot be a part of that emotional growth, I PERSONALLY do not want him to be here.

A million apologies to anyone that I offended- I guess I do not make myself very clear when emotional...

a chagrined sunny10...

 

Thanks for Clarifying :) (nm) » sunny10

Posted by GeishaGirl on December 5, 2004, at 18:36:26

In reply to Re: Shalom, Dr. Bob » GeishaGirl, posted by sunny10 on December 5, 2004, at 14:15:55

 

Thanks (nm) » krem

Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:22:40

In reply to Re: I LOVE ITgardnergirl apologies, posted by krem on December 3, 2004, at 14:09:47

 

Thanks (nm) » GeishaGirl

Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2004, at 21:23:10

In reply to Re: I LOVE IT---Gardenergirl, posted by GeishaGirl on December 3, 2004, at 10:07:24


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