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Posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 21:00:58
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by ron1953 on July 17, 2010, at 20:44:52
I vote we use the block formula for a low score. Cause that's whats next in line for us.
Posted by Dinah on July 17, 2010, at 21:09:07
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 17:42:16
> I guess ideally this points system would make people feel good about their contributions, but maybe Babblers will think in a negative way, negating the positives of this system, in which case, this wouldn't be helpful.
>
> Maybe Babblers will have to learn to think more positively before something like this will work.You know, I am not really all that negative about my posts, and I don't like this system.
I don't think the blame belongs to babblers. I don't think someone has to be overly negative to not like having a low rating, or even to feel bad about having a higher rating.
It seems to me that you've just posted recently about feeling bad that other posters might have more interaction with Dr. Bob than you have. Don't you think it's possible that other posters who are more concerned with their peers than with Dr. Bob might feel bad if they aren't as highly regarded, as highly ranked, as their fellows?
If you consider it as a similar experience to what you feel with Dr. Bob, do you still see it as a function of the negativity of posters? Or is it possible to see it as the understandable desire of people to not have their worth quantified and compared with others? On any side of the equation?
I understand that you mean well, and I also understand that what you posted was a paraphrase of what Dr. Bob said.
But I personally would give a completely different description of how Babblers would have to change to like this idea.
Posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 22:17:37
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming... » Deneb, posted by Dinah on July 17, 2010, at 21:09:07
I didn't think it through when I suggested it. Everyone is saying it is a bad idea and I can see how it can be a bad idea now. Can you please just forget about the ratings idea. I'd feel so bad if you implemented this and everyone gets angry or upset and leaves! It'd be all my fault!
Posted by obsidian on July 17, 2010, at 22:26:54
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 14:44:43
it sounds awful and pavlovian and cold
gotta say, I just don't like it
-sid
Posted by Dinah on July 17, 2010, at 22:27:29
In reply to Dr. Bob, can you forget about the ratings idea?, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 22:17:37
It wouldn't be your fault.
It's a *good* thing to bring up ideas.
Dr. Bob is the administrator. The choices he makes are his responsibility, not yours.
Posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 22:39:29
In reply to Dr. Bob, can you forget about the ratings idea?, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 22:17:37
> I didn't think it through when I suggested it. Everyone is saying it is a bad idea and I can see how it can be a bad idea now. Can you please just forget about the ratings idea. I'd feel so bad if you implemented this and everyone gets angry or upset and leaves! It'd be all my fault!
Deneb,Bob may have been thinking about this before you brought it up. And even if he wasn't, you are not to blame for anything!! Anyone could have thrown an idea out there, and we do, but this is his responsibility from here on out. NO ONE is going to be upset with you either way!
Already you have seen this is not what babblers want and have asked that it not be implemented. How could you know what the reaction would be? Its his deal now Deneb. Don't you dare go blaming yourself.
Okay? You've done nothing wrong.
~Jade :-)
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2010, at 6:40:44
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 14:44:43
> > > Would posters get more of a sense that their posts help if other posters awarded them points.
> >
> > NO.
> >
> > Are you really considering this?
>
> Yes, I'm really considering it. But I haven't decided. I do like the idea of posters being rewarded for being helpful. It would be a form of positive reinforcement. And maybe there could be other ways to be rewarded, too?
>
> Bob
This could be the worst idea yet. It is forcing an alternative motivation to post outside the purview of altruism. What do you suppose is the current motivation to post?What would be your criteria for assigning a reward? Should Linkadge earn more reward points than Deneb?
You really seem to like this idea. My guess is that you will make it will happen. Speaking for only one poster - me - I would be less inclined to post if I were forced to be compared to others in the "quality" of my posts. I find that having my posts rated - having *me* rated - in front of the whole world to see is inhibitory rather than encouraging.
I can't be sure, of course, but I think there will be a disincentive to post if competition is to be part of the terms of service.
I think it is as much a show of character to reject one's own ideas as it is to accept those of another. I have never seen you yield on one of your ideas.
- Scott
Posted by Justherself54 on July 18, 2010, at 10:25:27
In reply to Re: Point system » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on July 18, 2010, at 6:40:44
I wouldn't like my posts to be rated. I have enough trouble posting as it is, without the added pressure of having my post rated. Having a point system could cause underlying tensions between posters to escalate, as the rating system could be a tool to bypass the civility rules.
I agree with the other posters who say you will go ahead and do what you will with this idea (and no offense to Deneb, ever). I think you may run the risk of more babblers leaving.
Therefore, I would like to know if you are going to allow us the choice of opting out, or will it be automatic?
Posted by ron1953 on July 18, 2010, at 16:22:08
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 20:49:39
> Scale of one to 10?
> Quality
> Length
> Accuracy
> Difficulty
> etc.
>
>Lunacy.....
Posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 17:02:04
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming... » jade k, posted by ron1953 on July 18, 2010, at 16:22:08
> > Scale of one to 10?
> > Quality
> > Length
> > Accuracy
> > Difficulty
> > etc.
> >
> >
>
> Lunacy.....And then some...
Posted by nadezda on July 18, 2010, at 17:22:12
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 17:02:04
Absoutely terrible, I might even say, execrable, and unhumane idea.
Not to be extreme, but I agree it goes against everything I thought -- and trusted-- this place stood for.
Nadezda
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2010, at 17:49:16
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by nadezda on July 18, 2010, at 17:22:12
> Not to be extreme, but I agree it goes against everything I thought -- and trusted-- this place stood for.
>
> NadezdaI wholeheartedly agree.
gg
Posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 18:41:27
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2010, at 17:49:16
"One" might think the resulting effect will be to keep the most knowledgeable, intelligent, and experienced posters, and weed out the rest. Continuing that thought, Facebookers, Tweeters, and readers of the NYTimes, from around the world, will be so impressed with babble's "brilliance"...he...I mean babble, will become famous!
It's Psychobabble!, The Free Psychiatric Encyclopedia!
Or, "one" might realize that he...I mean babble...will lose many if not most of its current posters. Gone will be many of the unique, smart, flawed, experienced, crazy, funny, supportive, compassionate, helpful, irritable, obsessive, insomniac ridden human type of posters...that make Babble the community that it is.
Or..."one", or some, could brainstorm some new ideas and breathe some life back into Babble and make it as great as it once was, instead of turning it into a human reference guide.
~Jade
Posted by BayLeaf on July 18, 2010, at 19:14:36
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 14:44:43
"..And maybe there could be other ways to be rewarded, too?"
Oh please, yes! I want to win points and spend Babble Bills at the Babble Boutique!! I wanna buy autographed photos of The Reticent One! :-)
Bob, your brain seems to work differently than mine. Scoring would be fine at a site where people are asking about car engines...right and wrong are *fairly* clear. Concrete right and wrong does not work here.
And how can anyone but the poster know what was helpful to them? And frankly, if my post wasn't all that helpful, I may not want to know. It can help ME to try. Knowing I wasn't helpful would cause me pain.
And how does getting a lot of low scores help? Will poorly scoring posters leave? Or learn to be better posters?? How?
So do you see the poster writing:
Bay your post rates a 1 because:
a) you did not demonstrate sufficient amount of empathy
b) you did not understand my issue
c) you did not make any damn sense
c) you did not make me laugh
d) some combination of the aboveThis way we can learn and grow as posters?? Are we droids?
Posted by BayLeaf on July 18, 2010, at 19:24:08
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming...a shame, posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 18:41:27
Posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 19:36:42
In reply to Re: Point system » Dr. Bob, posted by BayLeaf on July 18, 2010, at 19:14:36
> "..And maybe there could be other ways to be rewarded, too?"
>
> Oh please, yes! I want to win points and spend Babble Bills at the Babble Boutique!! I wanna buy autographed photos of The Reticent One! :-)They're Bobble Heads...of The Reticent One....
Not sure about the autograph...(awful buzy doing interviews and such)
>>
> Bay your post rates a 1 because:
>
> a) you did not demonstrate sufficient amount of empathy
> b) you did not understand my issue
> c) you did not make any damn sense
> c) you did not make me laugh
> d) some combination of the above
I hereby rate your post a ten. Because I feel like it.
Posted by fayeroe on July 18, 2010, at 20:49:26
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by jade k on July 18, 2010, at 19:36:42
I've said this before and here I go again...having everyone upset is part of the payoff here.
Who knows where these posts are going to end up now?
Research? Book? Paper? Speech? Website?
Posted by violette on July 19, 2010, at 1:09:45
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by fayeroe on July 18, 2010, at 20:49:26
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Posted by BayLeaf on July 19, 2010, at 5:42:33
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by violette on July 19, 2010, at 1:09:45
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In reply to Re: Point system » Dr. Bob, posted by BayLeaf on July 18, 2010, at 19:14:36
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In reply to Babble Alert - July 19, 2010, posted by violette on July 19, 2010, at 12:13:42
Posted by ron1953 on July 19, 2010, at 12:45:45
In reply to researchers like numbers more than emotions (nm) » jade k, posted by BayLeaf on July 18, 2010, at 19:24:08
...and academics like book knowledge more than pragmatic experience
Posted by Toph on July 20, 2010, at 10:30:20
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 14:44:43
>
> I do like the idea of posters being rewarded for being helpful.
>
> BobI would find it really ironic if posts that gained the most points as supportive were also found uncivil by the administration. Babblers could express their discontent messing with the point system. It sort of reminds me of the Sanjaya Effect where websites encouraged voters to vote for the worst contestant.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 10:42:21
In reply to Re: Point system might be coming..., posted by nadezda on July 18, 2010, at 17:22:12
> I think having a rating system is cruel I guess.
>
> sigismund> Absoutely terrible, I might even say, execrable, and unhumane idea.
>
> NadezdaCould we have a discussion and not just throw around adjectives?
Thanks,
Bob
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