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Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 14:28:55
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » gardenergirl, posted by Lemonaide on July 18, 2008, at 14:15:40
> GG,
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> YOu just crack me up sometimes. :-)
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> I think one of the points I was trying to make (in deed a bad job of it) it that when the rules change, the line changes. So one skipping along a line might be fine one day, but later on the same degree of skipping can get them in trouble because the line has changed .5 degrees or different deputies see the line just slightly different.Ah, good point. And if one were skipping along at that moment, one might find oneself flat on her (or his) *ss on the wrong side of the line. :^D
> Sometimes our debates were hilariously on the line skipping all over! ;-) I would love to have you in my philosophy classes, you would make it fun.Thanks. I would probably ask a lot of "But what about" or "what if" questions, though. ;)
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 14:35:06
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » gardenergirl, posted by Lemonaide on July 18, 2008, at 14:21:21
> I am dying here!!!!!!!! In the dying Babble
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> Can I give the elegy if babble truly kicks the bucket? Or at least play the trumpet dirge?Ooh, elegy. Good word. Good song by Howard Jones, too.
> Snort* oppsie I meant to snort but I f*rt*d instead. lol
Yeah, my dog does that too. So do I, unfortunately. It's really bad when we both do it. :)
gg
Posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 15:34:48
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 13:27:25
Believe it or not, I used to be quite the windmill tilter. And when I donned my cape and picked up my lance, I might have skirted close to the edge of a line or two to protect the innocent and post on the side of righteousness.
All in my days of yore I fear. I've settled into old age, dropped the lance, and put on the hat and badge.
I suppose it's true that PMS and bad days could contribute to our deputizing. But that's why there is more than one deputy. We can test our judgment with each other. It leads to slower action sometimes, but on balance is, I think, good for the board.
"Anywhoo, I think I get what you mean and where it came from. :)"
It really didn't mean anything deep. Or come from anywhere in particular. You are completely right on several points in your posts. Dr. Bob doesn't like us to judge on intent, but on words. But Dr. Bob's interpretation of those words do on occasion seem to allow for some consideration of intent on his part. Le droit était le roi. (I wonder if I have remembered that right? My apologies if I said something naughty. I meant the right is with the king.) Which is my observation only, and he may well disagree.
None of which is anything you don't know.
Truly, there is no deep intent in any of this, or even a warning. Perhaps some bad timing on my part for reflecting is all. I hope my reflections weren't hurtful to you.
Posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 15:34:48
Is babble dying due to deputy involvement or due to bob's disengagement?
-Ll
Posted by fayeroe on July 18, 2008, at 15:45:48
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 13:59:34
And I do love a good cognitive endeavor especially verbal challenges, though I really wish we had a thesaurus link in the posting window.
I say be careful what you wish for.
Posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 15:48:22
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
I'm feeling kind of hurt. I volunteered for this to help babble, not to kill it. And my intentions on this thread were also good. Whatever the actual outcome.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 15:48:31
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 15:34:48
> Believe it or not, I used to be quite the windmill tilter. And when I donned my cape and picked up my lance, I might have skirted close to the edge of a line or two to protect the innocent and post on the side of righteousness.
Ah, windmill tilting....
> I suppose it's true that PMS and bad days could contribute to our deputizing.
Totally kidding about all of those things I listed. Totally kidding. Just a monkey brain let loose for a bit to associate.
> I hope my reflections weren't hurtful to you.
Heavens, no, not at all. I have a great deal of trust in our relationship and communication. :)
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 15:52:54
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
I'm not sure that Babble has ever completely recovered from the hacking incident. It seemed there was a noticeable slow down in posting afterward, understandably. And that never seemed to pick back up to pre-hacking levels, though I've not looked at stats to test my perception.
gg
Posted by Amigan on July 18, 2008, at 16:00:44
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? Definately » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 12:19:27
Posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 16:04:42
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 15:48:22
Never mind. Forgive my interjection. I didn't mean to stifle comment on the possible harm of deputy involvement.
I'm off to a nice family outing.
Posted by Lemonaide on July 18, 2008, at 17:50:28
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
I don't understand this either or that question, many have expressed several ideas. It isn't just one or two reasons. Why are you asking this anyway?
Posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 17:55:19
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » llurpsienoodle, posted by Lemonaide on July 18, 2008, at 17:50:28
I never meant to imply that diminished posting could be the result of one or two reasons. It's multi-faceted, like any decision. Sorry if I implied a dichotomy
-Ll
Posted by rskontos on July 18, 2008, at 21:35:48
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » wishingstar, posted by obsidian on July 17, 2008, at 20:55:13
Obsidian,
I too, feel that sense of not belonging. I have a real sense of disconnectness to the world in general and lately it has filtered over to Babble. I read, but not even that as often.
I feel like what I have to say isn't worth the effort. And sometimes I feel like I am entering a conversation where I am not wanted. You know, like you are easedropping and should just stay out of. So I do.
And lately I just can't really find my voice. It isn't as moving to post lately.
rsk
Posted by obsidian on July 18, 2008, at 22:48:06
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2008, at 16:04:42
I don't think it's about deputy involvement, but more about the rules
they are pretty black and white despite being reasonable and civil
Posted by obsidian on July 18, 2008, at 22:52:00
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » obsidian, posted by rskontos on July 18, 2008, at 21:35:48
yeah, I think I know what you mean
Posted by obsidian on July 18, 2008, at 22:54:16
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
from disengagement...it's a natural survival mechanism
to give up trying to engage
Posted by AbbieNormal on July 19, 2008, at 6:37:38
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? » llurpsienoodle, posted by obsidian on July 18, 2008, at 22:54:16
> from disengagement...it's a natural survival mechanism
> to give up trying to engageAgreed. I think people have backed off and disappeared over the years for emotional protection. I've been hurt, seen others hurt too many times. For me, in the end the benefits have not out wieghed the harm.
The rules put babble on the endangered species list long ago.
Abbie
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 19, 2008, at 6:55:34
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup, posted by AbbieNormal on July 19, 2008, at 6:37:38
> > from disengagement...it's a natural survival mechanism
> > to give up trying to engage
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> Agreed. I think people have backed off and disappeared over the years for emotional protection. I've been hurt, seen others hurt too many times. For me, in the end the benefits have not out wieghed the harm.
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> The rules put babble on the endangered species list long ago.
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> Abbie
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> Abbie,
You wrote,[...The rules...long ago...]
Could you elaborate on that? If you could, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by llurpsienoodle on July 19, 2008, at 7:31:44
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 18, 2008, at 15:37:39
I have invested enough emotional energy and certainly TIME to wish babble to continue. I understand that any community evolves over time, but I have an uneasy sense that things are slowly winding down here in babble land.
Maybe something that we could try harder at is providing newcomers with the information and support that will encourage them to return to check their replies and give us updates; perhaps they will even choose to get involved in others' threads.
Posted by sdb on July 19, 2008, at 12:55:10
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying?, posted by llurpsienoodle on July 19, 2008, at 7:31:44
hmm i didn't follow what is going on here. probably babble needs a synchronized cardioversion. the problem for me is that I see many people having much more knowledge than I have, especially concerning personal experience. My data is actually only on an experimental basis and from what I see sometimes.
that dr.bob needs a break from time to time is fully understandable for me. i guess that in real life he treats patients plus he's probably having something else.
i wish everyone well
Posted by Dena on July 19, 2008, at 13:43:34
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup, posted by AbbieNormal on July 19, 2008, at 6:37:38
[opinion alert] I totally agree with those who say that arbitrary rules (which create a Parent/Child atmosphere), have killed natural relationships and communication. It's stifling, squelching, and utterly un-authentic.
I left a long time ago -- this was my first-ever online community, and I thought this was just the way it was ('course, I was then in an uber-controlling church, so I was under many delusions at the time).
I discovered that this is NOT the way that most forums function -- where there is freedom, mutual resepct, and where each one is considered to having something of value to be shared, the sharing happens freely. Sure, there can be moderators ("deputies" sounds far too punitive to me, being associated with "sherrifs" and those who enforce the Law, by force if necessary), who can kindly and relationally remind others of the basics (like, treat others the way you want to be treated).
The more people are constrained by rules, the less free they are. When each one is responsible to self-regulate, it happens ... rather uncanny, but real.
When the general expectation is that people will operate out of good-will, folks generally rise to meet that expectation... again, uncanny, and beautiful to experience.
I only returned to help out a friend here ... it saddens me to see so many people here walking on eggshells, and only experiencing a sense of pseudo-community. How can people share from their hearts, and learn how to do so in a way that's considerate of others, if they're censored, squelched, and reprimanded during the learning process?
Sigh... controlling environments do damage. May we each find a place in which to share our hearts, be heard, be understood, be accepted, and to do the same for others -- guided by inner good-will, rather than by external restrictions.
If honest relationships are built, healthy boundaries are natural, and rules are unnecessary.
But rules will never foster honest relationships... only a hierarchy.[/end of opinion alert]
Shalom, Dena
"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the
unquestioned answers.""We turn to God for help when our foundations are shaking only to
learn that it is God shaking them." - Charles West"Naked is having no clothes on. Nekkid is having no clothes on and
being up to something.""Our truth, when it becomes the ONLY truth, ceases to be truth."
"While we're not fearful of tasting new things, we don't necessarily
swallow all that we taste."
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Posted by fayeroe on July 19, 2008, at 15:28:35
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup » AbbieNormal, posted by Dena on July 19, 2008, at 13:43:34
I've been on a forum where "moderators" are helping out and I agree that "deputies" has the ring of "law enforcement" to me.
Not that I am put off by law officers but I am uncomfortable around people who monitor my thoughts and feelings and give me PBCs when sometimes I don't even know how I was "uncivil".
I've already had a mother who pretty much governed how I expressed my thoughts and feelings and it wasn't all that much fun.
Good post, Dena
Pat
Posted by Zeba on July 19, 2008, at 18:19:33
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup » AbbieNormal, posted by Dena on July 19, 2008, at 13:43:34
Very well said, Dena. I only post about meds anymore as I don't feel comfortable anymore posting about other things like therapy. I hardly looke at babble anymore, and I used to be pretty active under another name. But I have lost my incentive to post about it. It just seems too personal anymore.
Zeba
Posted by Dena on July 19, 2008, at 19:20:46
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup » Dena, posted by Zeba on July 19, 2008, at 18:19:33
Thanks, Pat & Zeba... I say it like I see it.
It's a shame, because this forum has so much potential... and I wonder, is it because many of us have had mental/emotional/psychological issues...? Are we treated as 'children' because of our struggles?
I see that everyone on the planet is wounded to various degrees. NONE of us got the unconditional love and complete acceptance we were created to need... and so we've all self-medicated in a plethora of ways.
But, we're no more damaged than anyone else -- perhaps we're even among the more blessed? I mean, some folks go through their whole lifetime, not even knowing they're living diminished lives. Those of us who had issues which loomed-large enough to get our attention are blessed -- for then we know something's amiss, and we can seek healing.
May we all find the freedom that comes from healing!
Shalom, Dena
"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the
unquestioned answers.""We turn to God for help when our foundations are shaking only to
learn that it is God shaking them." - Charles West"Naked is having no clothes on. Nekkid is having no clothes on and
being up to something.""Our truth, when it becomes the ONLY truth, ceases to be truth."
"While we're not fearful of tasting new things, we don't necessarily
swallow all that we taste."
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Posted by Sigismund on July 19, 2008, at 21:36:27
In reply to Re: Is Babble Dying? yup, posted by Dena on July 19, 2008, at 19:20:46
People here have been uncommonly nice and gracious to me.
Sometimes (for whatever reason, misunderstanding being an important one) people really hurt each other.
I suppose the civility rules are there to help with that. If they are, it's a bit much to ask that rules should be able to do that. And we all get very good (maybe too good?) at reading between the lines.
Sometimes I think that everyone gets sick of each other after long enough, and we need a new batch of people who haven't yet had enough of each other.
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