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Posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2005, at 11:48:57
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 11:32:48
Hello J,
>will i get agruculosis from Clozapine, that my white blood cells all die?
If your psychiatrist prescribes clozapine you'll need to have a blood test every week to make sure that you have enough white blood cells. About 1 to 2% of people treated with clozapine develop agranulocytosis. The fact that you experienced side effects from Geodon does not mean that you'll be any more likely than anyone else to develop agranulocytosis. If you did develop agranulocytosis you would have to stop clozapine. You would probably be treated with antibiotics and a drug called filgrastim which stimulates the body to make lots of new white blood cells.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 12:13:20
In reply to Re: Clozapine » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2005, at 11:48:57
thanks for your help at this. my problem started at the age of 14, i went out a lot with friends, had fun
then the misery startedanxiety, social withrawal, paranoia, the fun was over, also at the beginning when i talked it was very slow speech, like i had low energy to do it. also my head was thicker when just it started, i felt watched also, i had a pale face
i also had taughts i was suffering from a disease like cancer. THIS IS A VERY STRANGE EXPERIENCE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME!!!
still no voices, no hallucinations, im 21 now, been treated with GEODON, taught it would be my magical cure, it made me sicker, gave me a disease i never would i expect i get, TD
at the end, someone above doesnt like me very much, im still happy that im alive but everything has it limitsIs this schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder? or another disease?
i heared these nasty conditions start at age of 14 years old...
i feel i am getting weaker and weaker every year.
Posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2005, at 12:48:36
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 12:13:20
Hi Jeroen,
>thanks for your help at this.
You're welcome Jeroen :-)
>Is this schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder?
I don't know, I'm not a psychiatrist! Have you asked your doctor for a diagnosis? What does s/he say? Do you have any paranoia at the moment? If you do, how has amantadine affected it?
If you do have schizophrenia, clozapine can be very effective. You'll need to start with a very small daily dose and increase gradually. Clozapine is often very sedating at first but the drowsiness reduces over time.
Posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 13:33:15
In reply to Re: Clozapine » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 25, 2005, at 12:48:36
i told him once, i had voices, but i was confused at that time, it wasnt that, then he diagnozed me with schizophrenia so sh*t, i never had voices.. i am 100% sure of that
is it that or not i dont know, those doctors where i am are very weird
Posted by TomG on January 25, 2005, at 13:33:27
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 12:13:20
>>also at the beginning when i talked it was very slow speech, like i had low energy to do it.
Wow. You are the first person I have heard with this symptom. I have it too. I have always had this. I think it is one of my most noticeable symptoms. I feel unusual talking because it feels like my speech is slow like it is in slow motion. And, it also feels like it takes an unusual amount of energy to speak. It feels like I am just plain stupid. However, Geodon worked wonders for all this for about two months and then I started to get sedated as you know. I am currently on no meds.
Posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 13:38:48
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by TomG on January 25, 2005, at 13:33:27
GEODON omg have you looked at their website? the movies of patients taking it, all talk like zombies
GEODON is EVIL!!!
Posted by ed_uk on January 26, 2005, at 13:58:56
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by Jeroen on January 25, 2005, at 13:33:15
>i told him once, i had voices, but i was confused at that time, it wasnt that, then he diagnozed me with schizophrenia so sh*t, i never had voices.. i am 100% sure of that
>is it that or not i dont know, those doctors where i am are very weirdHi Jeroen,
Why did you tell your doctor that you heard voices if you didn't?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 26, 2005, at 14:02:44
In reply to Re: Clozapine » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 26, 2005, at 13:58:56
i was confused at that time, i took an anti depressant SIPRALEXA, i had lot of taughts at once, i also was hyper sexual, i had too much energy, i just taught it was that, somethimes im not smart sorry
i dont hear voices
Posted by ed_uk on January 26, 2005, at 15:44:38
In reply to Re: Clozapine, posted by Jeroen on January 26, 2005, at 14:02:44
Hi Jeroen,
>i was confused at that time, i took an anti depressant SIPRALEXA, i had lot of taughts at once, i also was hyper sexual, i had too much energy, i just taught it was that, somethimes im not smart sorry
Don't be sorry :-) Just explain to your psychiatrist that you got confused. Keep me up to date with your progress.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 26, 2005, at 17:31:24
In reply to Re: Clozapine » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 26, 2005, at 15:44:38
i am now 5 days on amantadine
my eyes feel worse, the uncontrolled eye movements and eye blinking are worser... i am very dissapointed, but i feel better
Leponex will be my last hope, i know the weight gain is a problem but listen
i have important AXID Nizatidine from the united states
will it be a problem if i take this the first few months while on leponex? will it reduce some weight? is it dangerous?
then switch to amantadine IF the eye problem might be gone or cured?
i DO NOT WANT to live with this eye problem the rest of my life, if its like that... i am very confused right now im sorry
but i went to psychiatry today and saw a man with 1 leg, how must he be feeling????
i can tell one thing for sure, this world is doomed!
the geodon is a powerfull american drug, anti psychotic drug to feel better, WRONG!
i just read 50% who take this drug develop tardive dyskinesias, dystonia and other satan conditions that will ruin people for the rest of their lives.
I wanted a happy ending, go out with friends again, i guess god dont want me to be happy
i am starting to get taughts, the hell with everybody
my time has come!
Posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 11:51:34
In reply to TO ED_UK, posted by Jeroen on January 26, 2005, at 17:31:24
Hi Jeroen,
>i am now 5 days on amantadine
>my eyes feel worse, the uncontrolled eye movements and eye blinking are worser... i am very dissapointed, but i feel betterWith amantadine, improvement of TD will take time. The TD symptoms may temporarily get worse before they get better.
>Leponex will be my last hope.
That's just not true! There are several other treatments that may help. Did you discuss Leponex with your new psychiatrist?
>i have important AXID Nizatidine from the united states
>will it be a problem if i take this the first few months while on leponex? will it reduce some weight? is it dangerous?Nizatidine (Axid) might possibly be helpful in reducing the weight gain. Orlistat (Xenical) may also be helpful. Do not take any more medication without your doctors advice, you may create new problems for yourself. Be sure to tell your doctor that you are taking amantadine.
>I wanted a happy ending, go out with friends again, i guess god dont want me to be happy
You still can go out with friends. What do you like to do?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 11:54:47
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 11:51:34
my doctor cant know i will take nizatidine with leponex
is this safe? i think it is...
Posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 12:00:35
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 11:51:34
sorry, but they made me sicker for the rest of my life maybe, i came into the hospital healthyer then now, now i have cramp in my eye for 4 months because of the GEODON (evil drug)
i will take nizatidine with the leponex and eventually switch to amantadine IF the eye problem is cured
Posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 12:03:38
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 11:51:34
can i take leponex, nizatidine, amantadine all together?
Posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 12:47:34
In reply to TO ED_UK, posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 12:03:38
Hi Jeroen,
>my doctor cant know i will take nizatidine with leponex
Why not? Your doctor might prescribe nizatidine for you if you asked. Be sure to tell your doctor that you're taking amantadine. Your doctor cannot treat you safely unless he knows what medication you are taking.
>can i take leponex, nizatidine, amantadine all together?
Yes, I think so but I am not certain.
Did you talk to your psychiatrist about possibly starting clozapine?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 12:53:20
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 12:47:34
i cant nizatidine is not available in europe
im sorry but i will take it, i once took it with zyprexa for 3 weeks
Posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 13:11:50
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by Jeroen on January 27, 2005, at 12:53:20
Hi,
As far as I know, nizatidine IS available in Belgium. The brand name is Panaxid- ask your doctor.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 12:44:53
In reply to Re: To Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 27, 2005, at 13:11:50
Clozaril will be on of my last attempts to get better
ive tryed so much, Abilify, GEODON (tardive dyskinesia), Zyprexa, Seroquel (got strange psychotic taughts while on this dog crap)
i hope i will not develop that condition where all my white blood cells diewhat are the symptoms of that?
Posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 12:50:14
In reply to Clozaril, posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 12:44:53
i have a question, i had eye blinking on abilify, but i took this one a month and it went away with no tardive dyskinesia, the geodon did the same even worse, with uncontrolled eye movement and gave me TD or dystonia, i dont know wich one it is...
Posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 15:10:48
In reply to Clozaril, posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 12:44:53
Hi Jeroen,
Did you talk to your new psychiatrist about possibly starting clozapine?
>i hope i will not develop that condition where all my white blood cells die
>what are the symptoms of that?Agranulocytosis may result in infection. Symptoms of infection include fever, sore throat and flu-like symptoms.
It is possible that both Abilify and Geodon played a role in causing your TD.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 15:50:00
In reply to Re: Clozaril » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 15:10:48
can i take amantadine with nizatidine, and leponex?
Posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 16:00:38
In reply to Re: Clozaril, posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 15:50:00
Jeroen, you're not answering any of my questions! Have you discussed Leponex with your new psychiatrist?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 16:11:41
In reply to Re: Clozaril, posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 16:00:38
sorry, i will do it on monday, i will say to him the eye TD problem is worse when i take Zyprexa, he once suggested it so i dont think it will be a problem
Posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 17:19:28
In reply to Re: Clozaril, posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 16:11:41
Hi Jeroen,
Tell me what you psychiatrist says on Monday :-)
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 29, 2005, at 18:30:58
In reply to Re: Clozaril » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 17:19:28
ok
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