Posted by bruin on March 9, 2005, at 9:03:50
In reply to Re: HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED THIS after stopping meds » crazychickuk, posted by SLS on March 8, 2005, at 22:27:13
"I believe all of these things are symptoms of a biological disorder. Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) is often the expression of such a disorder. In other words, these things might be the depression having returned after its successful treatment by the original formulation of mirtazapine that you responded well to."
I don't. I believe they are all symptoms of withdrawal. WHether you want to call it withdrawal or not is not important. WHat is important is that you realize this is all very normal for people who come off these powerful drugs that alter your brain chemistry. At the bottom I will again include a list of withdrawal symptoms.
"You have to decide whether or not to completely forgo biological treatment and use psychotherapy exclusively. A dietary or nutritional supplement focus might also be helpful. If, after some period of time you find these approaches inadequate, you might return to aggressive pharmacological treatment, but I would keep the psychotherapy. The two often work together better than either one alone."
More than that. I complete lifestyle change. A supplement here and there won't change things. To fully heal from these drugs which HAVE damaged your brain you will need to focus on four things:proper nutrition, exercise, a proper supplement regimen, and faith.
"HE SAID meds leave system 100% no more then 6 weeks later"
It isn't about that. It is about what these drugs did to your central nervous system and how long it takes to heal. Yes, heal. I have seen those exact symptoms you described above thousands of times. SOme people get over them quickly, some take months or years. It all depends on how committed you are to total foundational health. It is not a return of some major depressive disorder. THat is big pharma propoganda induced nonsense.
> Hi CC.
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> > I stopped remeron / mirtazipine after nearly 2 yrs
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> > mnths later im depressed, confused, fogged, mentally feel ill..
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> I believe all of these things are symptoms of a biological disorder. Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) is often the expression of such a disorder. In other words, these things might be the depression having returned after its successful treatment by the original formulation of mirtazapine that you responded well to. They are reported quite often as symptoms. It is, however, possible that you have been treating the wrong illness. You might want to have a neurological assessment and perhaps move in other directions.
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> Are you bipolar? How do you know?
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> > now my physc has advised me to not go on any more meds cus i had bad expereiences with the others before remeron .. and he thinks i will be better of without them and just go into therapy ..
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> You have to decide whether or not to completely forgo biological treatment and use psychotherapy exclusively. A dietary or nutritional supplement focus might also be helpful. If, after some period of time you find these approaches inadequate, you might return to aggressive pharmacological treatment, but I would keep the psychotherapy. The two often work together better than either one alone.
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> > HE SAID meds leave system 100% no more then 6 weeks later
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> This is true. Maybe we could say 99%. The half-life of Remeron ranges between 20-40 hours. Most of it is gone within a week or two. There is no medical precedent otherwise for this drug's pharmacokinetics.
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> > WAT ABOUT DAMAGE ?
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> You will probably encounter some debate about whether or not any psychotropic medication can cause "damage". However, I think many of the drugs leave long-lasting changes in the rate of gene expression when exposed to the same drug over and over. However, this is not true damage, and these drugs are not neurotoxic. Nerves are left physically intact and usually functioning normally. The older "typical" antipsychotics, while not neurotoxic, can cause virtually irreversible movement disorders after long-term use. I believe all of what is known about Remeron and the other drugs used as antidepressants is that they do not cause brain damage. This should be one less thing for you to ruminate over.
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> - Scott
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