Posted by bulldog2 on June 19, 2010, at 8:51:54 [reposted on June 20, 2010, at 2:48:18 | original URL]
In reply to Re: yeah..some of them have probs.., posted by bulldog2 on June 19, 2010, at 8:47:23
> Yeah, I've heard that they based the claim that shrinks have unusually high substance abuse, divorce, and suicide rates on some older data. From what I heard (granted, I read this online AND this was a while ago, so who knows if this is true...) the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has statisticians who have been keep track of all this BUT...not surprisingly...they've been refusing to release their numbers. Apparently, shrinks can justify forcing the "mentally ill" to undergo treatment by saying "its for their own good," and use selected studies to prove their point, but they don't like it when statistical analysis is applied to their own behavior. Hmmm...
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> To be fair, from what I understand, people in the higher levels of the medical professions (doctors, pharmacists, etc.) tend to have higher-than-average suicide rates. This is in part b/c they are still predominantly white (many minority groups have lower suicide rates b/c of greater community involvement and more supportive family structures), they make more money than the average person (both extreme poverty AND wealth drive up suicide rates; I believe both involve a reduced "stake in conformity" and a bit of "anomie"), there's less religious involvement (religious affiliation, especially the kind that gets you involved with other people on a regular basis, drives down suicide rates), and they have access to the drugs.
> Within the medical profession, I've heard that pharmacists may have a higher suicide rate b/c they're kind of on the bottom of the totem poll (they get paid well, but there's less prestige and lots of stress), and they're surrounded by drugs everyday. Shrinks, I imagine, would similarly suffer from being involved in a less-than-respected field of medicine; they earn less than other specialties (on average, I think about the same as a general practice physician) and they aren't given the same prestige as, say, a surgeon or a neurologist. Also, you can't ignore the fact that they are indoctrinated into a belief system that reduces emotions to chemicals and brain structure (I say "belief system" b/c adherence to this dogma varies within psychiatry and the proof for this belief system is still lacking).
> Also, you have to think: what effect does drugging people up all day have on a person's psyche? And: what kind of a person goes into psychiatry in the first place? I've heard from other docs that psychiatrists often don't do as well in med school as, say, dermatologists, and they're often trained in foreign schools either a) b/c they are foreign (this is especially common in public health services) or b) they found foreign schools appealing b/c...umm..they could actually get in.
> And..think: what kind of person would get an MD to practice a controversial branch of medicine that involves coercing or forcing people to take drugs that are known to be hazardous and are only somewhat effective? What kind of a doctor pursues a branch of medicine that involves destroying the very organ (the brain) they are supposed to working on?
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> Who know...sometimes I think the crappy lives some shrinks seem to have may be due to Karma or divine retribution.
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>You need not reply as this is my last post. Dr. Bob you need not block me as this is my last post.
Mr. Christ Empowered what I see you doing is one of the reasons I do not like religion or follow any particular denomination. I am not against God as I have my own way of understanding the universise.
My points of contention with you.
1. You have brought a religious agenda into a med room which is inappropriate. You have the right to your beliefs but you have become arrogant to others here and just bash everything to your delight.
2. The belief in God is faith based and not a proven science. You bring the premise in here that since you have seen the light it must be true. No that is what you believe.
3. The belief in Christ is also faith based and the claims of what he has done and that he has arisen from the dead are faith based. there are many religions in here that are also faith based that do not believe your faith based religion.
4. You have seen the light may make it the truth for you but it is not my truth or the truth of millions around the world.
5. You are having fun bashing psychiatry and medicine but let's look at Christianity. There were Crusades in the name of Christ that brought warfare around the wrold. There was anti semitism in Europe that killed millions of Jews. You breed intolerance and Christianity has stirred constant warfare and hatred against others who do not believe.
6. You have the nerve to come in here and bash psychiatry. You have nothing better to do. You play lose with facts. I was never forced to take meds and I know many in here were not forced. It is possible in institutions that the insane were forced. But millions of us have gone voluntarily to the p-doc and voluntarily taken meds.
7. This is your belief and may be the truth for you and others but for many is not the truth. Science cannot not yet prove the things you call the truth.
8. you need to be in a room that deals in issues of religion. Perhaps issues of intolerance that have been perpetiated by the church and led to warfare and the death of millions needs to be addressed.
9. Personally you have offended me by bringing a religious agenda into a room where people come for info on meds. I don't care if you found the answer in Christ as that is not relevant in this room.
10. I will be blocked for not being civil but I don't feel like being civil to you. You are arrogant and have bullied your way arround this room. You have intimidated people with your attitude. No one has had the courage to call you on your faith based agenda. Nothing is more faith based than religion and you have the gall to bash psychiatry for not being scientific enough for you.
11. Goodbye to babble as I have learned enough to know my road. Christ emp maybe you got better because you empowered yourself.
12. To Dr. Bob. Personally I feel the way he uses his name is offensive to us of other religions as we have Hindu, muslim, Buddhist, Jewish and many other faiths who think they have found the way.
13. To Christ empowered being arrogant is not the way Christ would have wanted his followers to be.
14. Farwell to babble as I have been here many years. But as usual there is a time to bid farwell and to all of those who know the ultimate truth.
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