Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on February 9, 2005, at 23:50:33
In reply to Re: quick thought... » Gabbi-x-2, posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2005, at 23:15:54
> > > Because reality can be less appealing than fantasy?
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> > Why does there have to be dichotomy?
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> The difference between reality and fantasy? Reality is actual (true), fantasy is counter-factual (false)No it isn't.
Reality is what can be communicated what can be percieved and what comprises thought, that's not the same as true and false. I think by definition, fantasy is considered to exist soley in the mind, but that same thing may not exist as fantasy to another.
It's almost comical to me that anyone who reads history cannot see that what was once haughtily dismissed as folklore or old wives tales has been found by empirical evidence to be true, and that's just what scientists can prove. There are many more spiritual and and fantastical concepts that science will still scoff at, however by looking at what they have mocked before who are we to say?
> Sometimes we can spend many hours enjoying certain fantasies...
> But that doesn't mean we really want to turn them into realities...
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> >Why the debate?
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> I just like to argue
> I find it helps me learn
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> >Some things ripped apart by analysis dissappear entirely
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> Yes. Sometimes if we look at something hard enough, or in a certain way then distinctions can be seen to dissolve. The mind / matter distinction is a bit like that...Of course, I was talking about the exceptions, the fantasies the metaphysical or magical realism
Some realities cannot be defined it doesn't make them not real.
> >and reality is subjective.
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> Not sure what you mean by that.Exactly that, reality is often dependent on the observer.
> Some truths are relative.
> If I say 'I am hungry' and you say 'I am hungry'
> Then it can be false for you and true for me.
> But if we say alexandra_k is hungry (at a single moment in time) then it would seem that either she is or she isn't and there is a fact of the matter that we either grasp or fail to grasp.
> Reality isn't just beliefs
> Because beliefs can be false.Often you could not prove to the believer that the beliefs are false.That's the reality of the believer, and science being skewered by it's own rules.
> We could say reality is inter-subjective...
> That reality is the sum total of everybodies experiences of the world.
> Scientists make careful observations
> and thats why they are authoratative...That's just not the case. They make observations or experiment according to the scientific method which is it's own intelligence, somewhat like the police having an internal justice system. It is *one* extremely valuable realm of knowledge, the one society currently values above all others but hardly definitive, it doesn't exist in a vacuum and subject to corruption, prejudice and greed.
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