Posted by headachequeen on October 30, 2004, at 14:53:49 [reposted on October 31, 2004, at 9:51:06 | original URL]
In reply to Re: Redirect: mountains and snow » Dr. Bob, posted by rainy on October 30, 2004, at 7:28:15
> Hey, we're missing messages! Like Kat's observations about how hard it can be to talk to a therapist and my nosy response about her nerves, and Bridgey's description of the NC Fall. Frankly, that wasn't much about medication either and it didn't get redirected--life's not fair.
> Your comments, Kat, about it being easier to talk about ourselves here than face to face with a "real" person are interesting--I think it's a matter of trust in either case and it certainly takes longer in a room full of people than on a board. Here, our body language doesn't give us away, or help us express ourselves,for one thing and there's no way to really converse.
> Stresser, I hope you didn't read me as saying I understand eating disorders to be caused by parents. I don't think anybody does. I am hypothesizing, again from what I've read and my own experience, that it can be useful to have a kind, informed competant adult, who's emotionally divorced from the situation, on board as well as the pdoc. I may be way out of date and I still think we're on the wrong board for this discussion. I babbled you last night--any luck?
> And now, to quote Forrest Gump, that's all I've got to say (and it wasn't about medication either.) Well, not quite all.
> It occured to me that the post wherein I suggested that Sresser and I try another babble and then immediately went full force ahead to share my opinion about therapy etc might have been an example of the foot in mouth syndrome that I've been blaming on Topamax.
> Thursday? I began increasing the dose from 300 mgs to 350 but I forgot, forgot, about slow and just chopped a couple in half and took an extra half. That meant increased irritability and maybe impulsivity. On the other hand, impulsivity and hypomaina go together and I have a strong suspicion that it's the real me peeking out, maybe colored by the medication.
> Will we ever know? This has been my theme song since I started on this board.
> I'd really like to know how you guys think your personalities have been affected by Topamax.
> Good morning.
> rainyWHOA !!!!! only in 25 mg increments... that will send you to the grumpys and to eye problems and to all sorts of problems that you do not want to think of.
Rainy, I had not thought of body language... and of facial responses... we talk to therapists or to parents for that matter, and our body language and their body language says sooooo much that sets off the whole world into criticism that may not even be their but that we read...
trust disappears because we imagine things that are not there...another memory appears of the time we worked at a youth camp, some group of sadists came up with the idea of a camp for twelve-to-fifteen-year-old boys and girls -- yes, a co-ed group at that volatile age and when the camp had become a war zone that could not work for some reason, a friend conned me into directing it one year. I of course because, anything I do my husband helps, conned my husband into helping.
There is going to be a reference to trees,
Dr. Bob , but it is vital to the comparison, I promise...
For the first three years we met up with the worst thugs it was ever my privilege to meet, then life calmed and we began to have a youth camp. In the second year we began a clearing in the trees and built a small log cabin. It was a privilege each night for one cabin group to 'sleep out' at that 'cabin', well, around that cabin.
There was precious little sleeping and a lot of talking, and we always saw to it that there was extra adult staff sleeping out at Cabin 10 so that the staff camper ratio was almost matched.
In the dark there were no faces-- and now Rainy you have hit upon it, there was no body language, and total trust...
one young girl told me one night that she almost didn't come back...totally... these children and some of them may have been fifteen but they were children, talked to staffers about the things that bothered them most and deepest. They would sort out their sleeping bags nearest the staffer or staffers they trusted most and the conversations in the dark carried on long into the night....
Body language was missing...
It went on for years until I realised that I was really getting too old to sleep on the ground
and I really miss it...
now some of our Cabin ten survivors carry on the tradition...
Facelesseness I figured was important but
Body language
I had never picked up on that one
thank you
kat
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