Posted by ace on November 26, 2003, at 22:05:51
In reply to Re: David D. Burns Quack MD » ace, posted by PSM on November 23, 2003, at 17:24:49
> How can ACE not be speaking from ignorance?
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> If ACE has based his judgement on 4 of David Burns' books and claims Dr Burns is ignorant, then ACE must be speaking from ignorance. (That is, if ACE is right!)Hmmm...why do you say that? As far as I knew his 'workshops' present the same information as presented in his books. Did I actually say Dr. Burns was 'ignorant'. I can't remember that. I actually find it very hard to agree with Burns on his CBT technique for severly depressed people. When people are suffering from severe depression they can barely put food in their mouth, let alone be MOTIVATED enough to read a book and do cognitive exercises on paper.
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> I just got back from a 2 day workshop with David Burns and, if he is as bad as you claim, you'd better watch out because there are yet another 250 professionals who are now believers.I believe in myself. I don't believe in any 'guru' I share common views with some people I respect, but at the end of the day I am master of my domain.
Why should I watch out for these Burns believers. I'm happy for anyone to do their own thing, so long as they are not hurting others. I leave CBT on the salad bar of life- others are welcome to it.
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> If you are familiar with one of Burns' basic concepts, the PARADOX, you must also agree that the more you criticize his work, the more valid and credible you make it.I am aware of the acceptance paradox, but I don't understand what you mean here. I don't agree that the more I critize his work the more valid and credible it becomes. The credibility and validity of Burns work is a subjective matter and, as such, varies from person to person. Burns work is not INHERENTLY good, valid, or credible. It depends on the person.
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> So, only by supporting him with genuine empathy will you be able to destroy him!
Please explain. Is this something to do with his relationship techniques? Also, I don't want to 'destroy' anyone. I just put forth my views which are, at times, in antipodes, with others.Ace.
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