Posted by Estella on May 21, 2006, at 0:36:20
In reply to Re: WWJVF? » Estella, posted by zazenduck on May 19, 2006, at 7:09:17
> > i like to think the world would be a better place without religion...
> .Please be civil.
would be that if people do feel offended... to say something like 'i felt a little offended (or a lot offended) when you said xxx'.
if you weren't offended, but think others might be then you could say 'i'm concerned others might feel offended if they were to read you saying xxx'.
that gives people the chance to put things right.
while 'please be civil' primes them for a blocking...
regarding the rephrase...
yeah i was stating my opinion. i wasn't knocking religion. i wasn't making a statement about religion being *bad* I was making a statement about how I think the world could be better... (I thought it was a positive statement... i thought it would be okay). but i didn't really mean to say 'i like to think the world would be a better place without religion' because i don't really like to think it it is more that i think the world would be a better place without religion.
what do i mean by religion?
i mean established religion as opposed to personal spirituality.
and it is what i believe.
i'm sure christians believe the world would be a better place if everyone were christian and the muslims believe the world would be a better place if everyone were muslim etc.
is it uncivil to say so?
i don't really see how...
if people disagree i am up for a discussion (i think that would be interesting which is why i said what i did)
i believe the world would be a better place if people appealed to natural rather than supernatural explanations.
i believe the world would be a better place if people appreciated that morality and values are seperable from established religion in the sense that you can have either one without the other and having one doesn't make it more probable that you will have the other.
i believe the world would be a better place if people appreciated that there are other reasons for acting morally in accordance with values than 'god will reward us in the next life' or 'god will punish us in the next life' or 'because god said we should / shouldn't'.
maybe the trouble is in trying to differentiate between religion and culture? i think the world profits from cultural diversity it is just the established religious movements that i'm not sure profit the world particularly... but that is just my opinion of course and i'm sure the majority of the world doesn't agree with me...
> I think political correctness is something like not ever saying anything that could possibly offend anyone anywhere.
oh. are people campaigning for that sense of political correctness?
> Kinky's proposal was for voluntary prayer.
beats involountary prayer IMO
> I would not want my children to read some of Kinky's lyrics. I would not want my governor to use that kind of language. I don't think that's political correctness. I think it's common decency. I don't know exactly what the difference is.
ah. some people don't think there is a difference...
i guess there may be a difference between lyrics / language in one setting...
and lyrics / language in another.
i can swear with the best of them...
but not in front of children
not at work
there is such a thing as appropriateness...
but yeah i think i hear what you are saying...