Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2008, at 21:46:41
In reply to Re: Lou's request to SteelyDan for clarification-, posted by SteelyDan on April 23, 2008, at 17:53:01
> > > > > He has no heart, he only wants to hurt you. He has many faces, and he's all around leaving evil traces. He hates your life. Prince of power over the air, may attack anytime, anywhere. I know greater is He, Holy Spirit living in me...Jesus Christ delivered us all from satan's power once and for all. Victory, by the Blood of the Lamb!!
> > > > > VICTORY - VICTORY!!
> > > >
> > > > SteelyDan,
> > > > You wrote,[...Jesus Christ delivered {us all} from Satan's power once and for all...].
> > > > In the set of people, {us all}, could you identify who, and to if this is your opinion or a fact, are the members in that set of people?. If you could, then I could have a better understanding of your post and be better able to respond accordingly.
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'll do my best. First of all i believe that He delivered 'saved' the whole human race by dying on the cross. He being Jesus Christ. He delivered (according to the Holy Bible which i believe is factual) all mankind from eternal damnation in hell where there will be weeping and knashing of teeth. Satan (a fallen Angel) hates mankind, and before Jesus' death and ressurection was taking all of mankind to hell with him. Jesus defeated Satan's power over man by His sacrifice on the cross...whoever believes in the Son of Man will not perish but will have eternal life in Heaven. Of course i believe this is the absolute truth, however technically it is my opinion.
> > >
> > > There is no nuetral ground in the universe:every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan. Christianity asserts that every individual human being is going to live forever, and this must be either true or false. I believe it to be true.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> >
> > SteelyDan,
> > You wrote,[...I believe that he saved the whole human race...{whoever believes} in the Son of Man will not perish but will have eternal life...]
> > Could you clarify then if there is then the {condition} that to have eternal life one would have to believe in the Son of Man, and are you wanting to mean that the Son of Man and Jesus are one in the same?
> > If you could clarify that, then I could respond accordingly.
> > Lou
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> Jesus is the 'Son of Man.' There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done", and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done". All that are in Hell chose it by not accepting that Jesus paid the price for sin once and for all.
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> -DanSigismund,
In regards to your post, I think that the one statement by Dan is one that you are referring to? The last statement above,[...All that are in hell choose it by not accepting...].
If hell is the end of all those that did {not accept}, then if there are those in hell that did accept, what could that mean?
You see, as a Jew, I believe the scriptures that the Jews use and what I will write here comes from a Jewish perspective. And the book called Revelation is a book written by a Jew, John, to IMO Jews and others because of the symbolism used that I think a Jew could understand that was versed in their scriptures.
That book talks about the Lake of Fire and Hell (Hades) and who is cast into it. I have not written yet as to what has been revealed to me about who is cast into the Lake of Fire, and if it is unending or not. But I have written that it has been revealed to me that he that overcomes will not be hurt by the second death. I could tie this all together with what is known as {free will}.
Lou
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