Posted by neuralbudhist on December 22, 2009, at 0:41:59 [reposted on December 22, 2009, at 15:42:14 | original URL]
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
> Wish i could give u a better answer,HOWEVER you are being misinformed.Along with meds i study nutrients,amino acids and other herbs and nutrients for ten years now.
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> What glycine is would be a amino acid,a natural supplement and building block of the body,glycine would for example fit in with what you might know as tyrosine,phenlyanine etc.
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> They are in no way drugs.People often mega dose these amino acids to achieve a drug like effect,these mega dose protocols are usualy talked about on natural sites etc.
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> Now while glycine is indeed involved in the brain with many mental disorders,its invovlment is very complex,and is much more then simply adding more by means of supplements.
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> Again people mega dose stuff like phenylanine for depression,gaba for anxiety,taurine for anxiety and so on,....but they usualy dont get lasting effects,this is because the brain works much more complex then over loading it with a single amino
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> Medications are tweaked by scientist to do more then simply raise chemicals,they have methods of action etc,so to replace a medication with a simple over load of a amino acid can be dangerous in some cases,you might get a initial feel at first,but you will absolutly in time cause an imbalance in amino acids and you will not get any form of lasting therputic effect.This is my opinion of course,people will disagree,but i workout and studied these supplements for a very long time and i have never ever seen amino stacking work long term.
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> Now what is common is to use amino acids and supplements to augment drugs,to potienate them and so on,this is definalty a more effective and safer way to use them
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> However peopl with serious illness levels such as urself i feel are dabbling in dangerous waters by using natural supplement mega dosing over medication.
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> Rember a natural substance when overloaded,megadosed etc is no longer natural as its being used in a unnatural way similiar to a drug.
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> What is important to know is when u look up a amino acid,they usualy tell u what it does in the brain,from that companys flaunt the amino acids to sell,however just because a amino acid does xx in the brain,it doesent mean its a simple process of megadosing it,there actions in the brain have nothing to do with the free form supplement of it.
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> Jeron i have read ur posts a long time,i truly feel for you,i dont think you give urself any props for the good things about you,well ill tell u,even with extreme suffering you are constantly trying meds,constantly posting and talking about them,constantly seeking help,that shows a lot of character and i know its easier for me to say then for you to feel,but u should stop and take pride in that now and then.
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> Finaly i recomend u read on the amino acids,i believe there are 13 essential ones,they all play a vital role in the brain,learning them contributes enromously to better understanding any thing about the brain.
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> Here is a pretty good article i found as i wrote this,im going to save it myself and read it as it looks really informative.
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> http://www.benbest.com/science/anatmind/anatmd10.htmlFirstly people should not self medicate for any reason. However, glycine is not just a natural remedy. It is antipsychotic agent used in Phase II FDA study. Here is the link to the glycine study:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/glycinetreat.htm
In the standard glycine study it is used as an adjunct to standard antipsychotics. However, in myself (I could confirm to any administrator who the researchers are, I just can't post their names for confidentiality purposes, my recovery wtih glycine has been discussed among multiple provider agenties as well) it is used as a primary antipsychotic. Glycine will because of the fact that it is only used as an adjunct treatment and is require to be taken in powdered format never become a medication. However, this class of medication, the NMDA receptor modulates
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1357569?verify=0
of which glycine is one in that they do not cause tardive dyskinesia or diabetes and promote a fuller recovery are showing promise as "next generation antipsychotics". In many studies their increased potential help has been shown to be specifically on negative and cognitive symptoms. However, in myself glycine helped on positive symptoms (hallucinations, delusions, etc.) as well and my schizoaffective disorder is now in basic remmission. Of course one recovery does not determine a clinical conclusion. Only controlled studies can. I was allowed to start glycine because I have advanced tardive dyskinesia and could not tolerate Clozaril.
Tyrosine and phenalalynine are both useless or dangerous. Glycine may be misused as a natural remedy or supplement for body builders. However, it is indeed in clinical study as an antipsychotic. People should not try to obtain it on their own. However, as many standard consumer agencies have said the decision to start an experimental study medication (when known treatments have failed) is between consumer and provider. Any further discussions should be with a knowledgable psychopharmocologist. But do know that this is a very promising class of antipsychotics in development and glycine is the compound that they are developing them from.
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