Posted by Questionmark on March 21, 2006, at 23:44:48
In reply to Re: Coffee contains beta-carbolines. (~ nutmeg?), posted by nolvas on March 14, 2006, at 5:00:47
Hmm. Well, i think this source is mixing up, or is somewhat inaccurate, with what all effects it says occur at the same doses (unless nutmeg just affects me semi-uniquely). For instance, i felt the "euphoria [or intoxication, more precisely] similar to... marijuana" a number of times without ever experiencing the side effects this source mentions as occurring at the same and lower doses And, as i don't know what grams actually constitute either (as with James K, i measured primarily in tablespoons), i cannot say for sure how much nutmeg 10 grams is, but it definitely seems like it would be a lot, from what i know. Ten grams seems like enough to push someone into the psychedelic (for lack of a better word) nutmeg experience, which appears to be far beyond (much more intense, etc.) the relatively simple cannabis-like nutmeg experience. Of course, i could be wrong. i do know that i've never had palpitations or convulsions on nutmeg at cannabis-reflecting doses, or ever for that matter-- although i'm sure it's possible at higher doses.
Thank you for sending that though. It had some interesting information. i forgot how long nutmeg intoxication could supposedly be capable of lasting, and how long it can take to kick in. (Also, James K, that's interesting that it did not affect you when you took it until the next day.)
But yeah, how about that nutmeg psychosis? Crazy stuff. And awful sounding. Hah, but yeah you definitely don't hear that every day. Nutmeg psychosis. i wanna hear that on the news sometime.
> Have you taken nutmeg in the doses mentioned below? It seems to have a lot of side effects/problems. Nutmeg psychosis! wow now there's something you don't hear every day.
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> "In low doses, nutmeg produces no noticeable effect on the mind or body. Large doses of 7.5 g or more are dangerous, potentially producing convulsions, palpitations, nausea, eventual dehydration, and generalized body pain. In amounts of 10 g or more it is a mild to medium hallucinogen, producing visual distortions and a mild euphoria similar to that derived from Marijuana. However, use of nutmeg as a recreational drug is unpopular, owing to the potential painful physical side effects, the risk of Nutmeg Psychosis (see below) and the inconveniently long span for which the effects of a single dose can persist. A user will not experience a peak until approximately six hours after ingestion, and effects can linger for up to three days afterwards. Any unpleasant side-effects would persist throughout this period.
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> A risk of any large-quantity ingestion of Nutmeg is the sudden onset of Nutmeg Psychosis, an acute psychiatric disorder marked by hallucinations, excitement, thought disorder, a sense of impending death and agitation. Some cases have resulted in hospitalization and reportedly few who have experienced the effects of nutmeg poisoning recommend it or repeat the experience.
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> Even in smaller doses, Nutmeg can be a toxic substance. Ingestion of as little as 5 g may cause dry mouth, fast pulse, fever and flushing. It has amphetamine-like effects and may lead to the ingestion of large volumes of water. There is no specific antidote; the adverse effects wear off after 24 hours (or more) of rest.
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> Nutmeg is extremely toxic when injected intravenously. Nutmeg can also cause liver damage if used regularly in large quantities. Nutmeg has in the past been used as an abortifacient. Nutmeg can also cause death if used in large quantities, but this not a problem while cooking, since small amounts are used."
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