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Re: Free of Panic Disorder with research

Posted by Mistermindmasta on July 27, 2005, at 12:14:37

In reply to Re: Free of Panic Disorder with research, posted by Ezmoney on July 22, 2005, at 14:52:42

> Read Mapping The Brain by Rita Carter. mental illness is a medical mystery.The cause and cure are unknown.Untill lithium was discovered there was nothing for manic depression.It only works in 50% of cases.Also it is toxic.Maybe space aliens will land with a cure.

I have to add here that certain mental illness is not mysterious at all and are curable. As my example, I'll use the following: people with certain viral infections are treated with immune boosting agents called cytokines. These people, as a direct result, become clinically depressed, sometimes to the point of suicide. They are disinterested in life, anxious, tired, etc. The whole nine yards. Then, when the medicine is discontinued, they experience a complete recovery. There no disputing the fact that the immune system can cause depression, within this line of evidence.

Interesting, they can treat people who are experiencing interleukin induced depression with an SSRI and they get better.

Another interesting fact is that people with major depression have - guess what - raised levels of interleukin 6. I shall also mention that St. John's Wort and many SSRI's are potent IL-6 inhibitors.

Animal studies show that animals injected with bacterial toxins like LPS induce depressive-like illness. Also, interleukin-1 induces depressive-like illness in animals. Again, chronic treatment with antidepressants relieves the depression caused by the immune system. Cytokines can alter serotonin and norepinephrine levels.

What is being said here is that activation of the immune system can cause depression and an SSRI can make it better. Prozac is not a cure, but fixing the deranged immune system IS THE
CURE, at least in some cases, certainly not all.

On a related note, if you go on boards that are involved in alternative treatments of gut disorders like IBD and IBS, you'll find certain common things:

1. A lot of these people were told by doctors that they have no sort of infection that can be found, thus were told they have IBD or IBS.

2. A lot of these people also have comorbid mental disorders... depression, anxiety.

3. Some of these people found out later, directly or indirectly, that they indeed to have an infection.

4. As a result of these people ridding themself of the infection, they no longer have mental illness.

5. A lot of these people, myself included, experience symptoms of a mental disorder when they eat food that there body has an immunological reaction to. Prime example being the high incidence of ADHD and depression in people with gluten intolerance. Removal of the offending food is a CURE for the depression.

All of the above is anecdotal evidence, thus I cannot say I am "proving" anything, per se. As far as truth is concerned, I am absolutely certain that gluten causes a large portion of my mental strains. There's the cause, removal of gluten is the cure.

Just thought I'd share some information on what I've learned, since it contradicts what you're saying to some extent.


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