Posted by tealady on November 30, 2003, at 15:46:08
In reply to Re: back on tyrosine: » tealady, posted by JLx on November 29, 2003, at 5:10:53
> > I take 375mg in the morning and rest of 500mg capsule of tyrosine about noon...actually just woke up at 5am and took some for the tooth pain..working now (6am).
> > On some days I'll take 500mg in the morning and 500mg at noon..if I'm going thru a hypo period
> > The day I tried 2000mg, it was pretty intense..hard to describe.. How did you feel on 1500mg?
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> Well, I can't say exactly. I have a hard time pinpointing how I feel, particularly in response to some one thing in this "kitchen sink" experiment I've been doing. Usually I just register that somethng feels better or worse...but in this case, I think it was that I was more irritable and actually felt more stressed.
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> > I've got some phenylanine, but haven't really tried it as yet.
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> I think it does have an affect on appetite.Increase or decrease???
One thing I noticed about that too, is that it makes me physically warmer.
That would be good..I'm still about one degree too low. tyroine raised mine initially but the effect seemed to wear off.I think it did raise my blood pressure more too though, more so than tyrosine. (Prozac and Zoloft used to raise my blood pressure too.) Lately when I've checked it, it was normal...possibly due to adding the TMG. (My local supermarket pharmacy has one of those self-serve booths so I check it whenever I'm in there.)
Tyrosine raised mine initially too..but it seems to be back to "normal" now..ie if I only take 500mg a day
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> > What brand is that you use. I have to get my P5P from the US...not on the Aussie list, but I'm allowed to import it. Won't be doing another order for a while but good to hear suggestions.
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> NOW brand. I got it from iherb primarily because it was the cheapest. It has: Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2)17 mg, Coenzyme Vitamin B-6 33 mg (from 50 mg Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate) Magnesium 100 mg (as 75% Magnesium Oxide and 25% Magnesium Taurinate) Nothing special there, perhaps it is just the bit of magnesium with it that makes it feel better.Thanks
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> > DHEA I found 20mg too much(cortisol), so now trying 10mg. I read somewhere that 10mg or even 5mg is enough for most females...there doesn't seem to be much info on DHEA, and even less on 7keto-DHEA. I haven't tried the 7-keto as yet.
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> Yes, I think I'm going to start taking less every day instead of 25 mg every other day. I will have to open that little capsule which will be a pain.
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> After I read this interesting post, http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031122/msgs/283957.html, I was looking up info on cytokine/inflammation and ran across this James South article, http://smart-drugs.net/ias-DHEA.htm :
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> "A recent study found a strong inverse correlation between human serum DHEA-S levels and interleukin 6 (IL-6) levels. IL-6 is one of many cytokines, or immune cell "quasi-hormones," which collectively regulate immune activity. High interleukin levels are implicated as a causal factor in many diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, B-cell cancers, atherosclerosis and Parkinson's disease. (7) Interleukin 6 levels tend to dramatically increase with aging, just as DHEA-S levels decrease with aging. (6) After studying 120 healthy human subjects, 15-75 years of age, R.H. Straub and colleagues concluded: "decreased DHEA serum concentrations during aging or inflammatory diseases will be paralleled by a significant increase in interleukin production. Thus, we conclude that the decrease in DHEA levels is a deleterious process, in particular during chronic inflammatory diseases."(7)"
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> So this one reason for its antidepressive effect...decreased inflammation? I thought perhaps it was just the increased estrogen and testosterone.
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Hmm that stuff seem a little different from other things I have read... I've discontinued DHEA at present a I read somewhere(and I can't find where now I'm looking again:) that it may sometimes cause depression starting within one to ten days of supplementing it..so I'm trying dropping it for a bit. I do think I probably ned some though.
I'll look for the link to what I read and post it. I can't find that either now :)> > Vit. C, E, B vitamins, including B 12 as methylcobalamin, as antioxidants, for stress, and for "general purposes". And TMG for the methylation process. I find that TMG makes me feel more "smoothed out" than I felt on just the tyrosine alone but I'm in the process of experimenting with how much of that to take too. I probably take some other things too that I can't recall right now, but those are the essentials.
It does sound like I need it<g>..but I'm even more confused than you on the whole methylation thingy. I'm trying to work out where nitrates etc fit in ...I can't :)
Betaine, comes from beets
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031003/msgs/268314.html
..and beets contain nitrates.Guess I'll have to ask Lar if he has heard if there is any nitrate or nitric oxide promoting stuff in betaine or more specifically betaine HCL? I'm guessing betaine does not contain any..but no idea as per usual.<g> I don't think it's a usual thing to consider for most though.
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> > I think I needed to be a bit more aggressive..it's helping get some medical tests done etc., it probably looks like I need some Betaine..but I'll leave that for a while...next thing to try, I think.
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> That was my thinking too, that I could use a bit of "hardening". BUT I noticed a positive change in my behavior and attitude towards this 6th grader I reading-tutor after the TMG to more easy-going-ness in my manner, more actual patience (rather than a consciously adopted attitude of patience), more positive feelings about her progress (rather than a conscious choice to be encouraging). It was very interesting to see this, and a bit scary too, as I sure didn't see myself one way until I changed to another way.No....it usually is everyone else who sees(feels) it first from what I've seen on boards.
I think I posted before on someone booting out her dog as well as the boyfriend? ..when she did that we knew it was a tyrsoine overload <g>Jan
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