Posted by JLx on October 30, 2003, at 9:21:28
In reply to Hello Larry , posted by johnj on October 26, 2003, at 21:57:50
Hi, John J. I'm not Larry, but I'll say hello back to you. :)I remember you from the magnesium thread last spring and have wondered how you're doing. Did you see the naturopath or some other doctor as you were planning?
I recall you felt good on magnesium for 2 weeks and then sank down again. And had trouble sleeping, right? I see George Eby has more comments on his page about insomnia, you might find them interesting: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#sleep
I got pretty depressed this summer after feeling good for two months -- some hormonal changes among other factors. Now I am taking tyrosine and other things (as well as magnesium still) and feeling pretty good -- though still tweaking my regimen all the time.
I ran across something recently, and thought of you. I don't know if this guy knows what he's talking about, or anything about this diagnostic testing he's apparently referring to, but he sounds to me as if he makes sense in general, so perhaps he's right about this calcium/benzo connection too:
"Depression can be related to high and low levels of calcium and/or magnesium also, with low levels
being oftentimes associated with anxieties as well. After comparing the backgrounds of patients who required very high doses (4,000+mg) of calcium a day - just to barely reach normal levels, it turned out that a very large percentage had a history of benzodiazepine (tranquilizers / sedatives) use.
These drugs either affected their body's ability to utilize calcium and/or magnesium properly, or those minerals levels in these patients had already been extremely deficient before taking any medications, provoking insomnia, anxieties, or other symptoms, and resulting in drugs (benzodiazepines) being prescribed instead of having the real cause (mineral deficiencies) corrected."I think something interesting and important was going on there when you responded so positively to magnesium supplementation, suggesting that something was "righted", so then perhaps that created something else getting out of whack. I think this is what happened to me -- magnesium seems to have changed my body profoundly, sort of creating me with a new baseline, so to speak, so that now when I try other things it's different than when I've tried them in the past. Finding the optimal calcium magnesium balance seems especially tricky.
I'm limited to experimentation by my finances, but finding a doc who would test for all these things and then know what to do with the results would be the better way to go I'm sure.
> Lar,
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> How are you? Seems there was some sort of a ruckus. It would be a gigantic loss without you to field questions. I know it probably gets old for you at times, but I appreciate your contribution greatly.
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> You mentioned sleep for you has been disturbed. Getting it worked out any? I mentioned to you I lost a mouth guard 4 weeks ago and got a new type called a NIT that fits over my front teeth. Been using it a almost a week and I have head tension like I had on 30 mg of remeron. I find it hard to believe that at 15 mg of remeron this side effect would reappear. It is either the mouth guard/sleep disturbance or side effects. I do still try to grind my teeth. I visit a sleep doctor tomorrow and hopefully he can help. I find it odd that a normal mouth guard that fits over my top teeth would be better than this new one??? Unless it help be breath or something. I am getting frustrated again. I want my sound sleep.....take care my friend.
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> johnj
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