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Re: Female Hormones/Excitotoxins/Amino acids » tealady

Posted by JLx on September 19, 2003, at 8:12:41

In reply to Re: Magnesium Miracle Revisited » JLx, posted by tealady on September 18, 2003, at 22:40:41

> Vliet or Larrian Gillepsie?..they reportedly seem to work for most

Yes, it was Vliet in "Screaming to be Heard: Hormonal Connections Women Suspect, and Doctors Still Ignore". Before that I had read, "Natural Progesterone: The Natural Way to Alleviate Symptoms of Menopause, Pms, Endometriosis and Other Hormone-Related Problems"
by Anna Rushton, Shirley A. Bond and "The Estrogen Alternative: Natural Hormone Therapy with Botanical Progesterone"
by Raquel Martin, Judi Gerstung. (Those were the books I could get immediately from my local library network.) I thought the natural progesterone folks all made a lot of sense, but then Vliet brought me up short when she said, when do we usually feel the worst in a month, if not just before a period when progesterone is high?

I know natural progesterone is said to work for many and I found it very disappointing it didn't for me, although I did later find a message board where some other women had had a bad experience too.

I wouldn't rule out trying natural progesterone again -- perhaps I took too much or it would have been ok if I'd stuck it out longer, but basically I felt I had to quit it because I was feeling so much worse, and CRAVING carbohydrates as well, which was something I'd been free of on magnesium.

I'm not giving up on the hormone business though. I think it just need more information and experience. I noted with great interest, for instance, in Eby's site or one of his links, that estrogen increases utilization of magnesium.

For years, I took a women's herbal formula that included 25 mg of DHEA because it was the only appreciable thing that helped with depression. I found that out by inadvertently buying the DHEAless version of the same brand and noticing I felt worse. I had just quit that when I started on magnesium. I'm back on it again, just taking it a bit less than previously.

I think now in general, that without the DHEA, with the magnesium, with other radical dietary changes leading to a weight loss of 45 lbs (fat=estrogen, fat loss=grhelin and who knows what other hormones and how they intereact with each other) I was just way out of whack hormonally after two months. Some of it may have been a normal fluctuation, as I didn't have a period for 4-5 months, and restarted again but Eby says boron, which I've also been taking, can bring back periods in menopausal women which implies a major hormonal impact just from that.

I'm being so longwinded, in case anyone can shed some light on these hormonal/depression interactions. What's your experience/opinion of the John R. Lee school of thought re natural progesterone?

> I think it helps too.

And this is no small thing! Psychiatrists should be inquiring about their patients magnesium intake when they express suicide ideation. I don't care how depressed and unfunctional I am, it's ten times worse being haunted by thoughts/feelings of suicide too. There was even a specific study done about that that should have given them a clue. It really makes me angry that they are so ignorant of nutrition and how it impacts depression.

> You know, that is why I'm never sure of "amino acid chelates"..I have no idea WHICH amino acid, and I have not been able to find out. I have sensitivites to MSG, so I guess glumate is out for me too? Magnesium glutamate does sound bad...I wonder if that is what you could get if you bought magnesium amino acid chelate?

I'm confused about the difference between glutaMINE, glutamatic acid and glutamates....about excitotoxins and excitatory neurotransmitters in general.

Eby has a whole section on Glutamate Toxicity here, http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#glutamate He says that magnesium aspartate and magnesium glutamate must be avoided for depression. His new and lengthy section on taurine is here: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#taurine

> That's good to know, has anyone else tried taurine? It's not something I've come across of as yet. anyone else tried magnesium taurate?

I haven't tried magnesium taurate but looked around for how expensive it is; it looks like the cheapest source for Cardiovascular Research's brand, as sold/recommended by Eby, is not him, but Vitamin Shoppe -- by $40 a case (12 bottles). To get 1 gram of magnesium per day, you need to take 8 capsules so one bottle only lasts about a week. It's more expensive than magnesium glycinate which was already more expensive than other forms of magnesium, so I probably won't be trying it unless I become convinced it's worth it. I am going to start eating cottage cheese though, despite my "no dairy" rule as it has a high percentage of taurine and is low in calcium.


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