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Lou's reply-add up the deaths-one death at a time

Posted by Lou PIlder on July 27, 2016, at 10:04:12

In reply to Lou's reply-add up the deaths-geodon, posted by Lou PIlder on July 27, 2016, at 9:41:52

> > > > In fact, there is no class of medications listed as a leading cause of death. It is all illnesses, accidents, and suicide.
> > > >
> > > > This is data from 2014:
> > > > ... All causes 2,626,418 100.0 823.7
> > > > 1 Diseases of heart (I00-I09,I11,I13,I20-I51) 614,348 23.4 192.7
> > > > 2 Malignant neoplasms (C00-C97) 591,699 22.5 185.6
> > > > 3 Chronic lower respiratory diseases (J40-J47) 147,101 5.6 46.1
> > > > 4 Accidents (unintentional injuries) (V01-X59,Y85-Y86) 136,053 5.2 42.7
> > > > ...
> > > > 15 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids (J69) 18,792 0.7 5.9
> > >
> > >
> > > Just looked into this some more-- I mis-interpreted the above data. The category #4, Accidents, includes drug-induced deaths. I thought it meant traumatic injury such as car accidents.
> > >
> > > So for 2013, there were in fact 46,000 drug-induced deaths in the U.S. total (legal, illegal, abuse and as-prescribed). I can't find a specific breakout of those categories, but I would speculate that opioid pain-killers are the #1 killer among Rx drugs. However, it's still clear that a claim that 200,000 or 500,000 deaths occur is exaggerated.
> > >
> > > Lou also posted that some people say 40,000, which is in the ballpark of 46,000. But in this context, people are discussing as-prescribed use of certain medications (psych meds), so it's inaccurate and unnecessarily alarming to cite death numbers that include all types of drugs and all types of usage.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > From :
> > >
> > > "In 2013, a total of 46,471 persons died of drug-induced causes
> > > in the United States (Tables 10, 12, and 13). This category includes
> > > deaths from poisoning and medical conditions caused by use of
> > > legal or illegal drugs, as well as deaths from poisoning due to
> > > medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes unintentional
> > > injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use,
> > > as well as newborn deaths due to the mothers drug use. (For a list
> > > of drug-induced causes, see Technical Notes; also see the discussion
> > > of poisoning mortality that uses the more narrow definition of
> > > poisoning as an injury in the preceding Injury mortality by mechanism
> > > and intent section.)"
> > >
> > > Tabitha,
> > Let me try to help you here. The deaths from these drugs can be compiled. This is because a pathologist can determine what caused the death.
> > Let us look at Remeron. Remeron can cause agranulocytosis which can cause death. The pathologist rules out other cause if there is Remeron in the deceased person's blood.
> > Then the death is recorded as being caused by Remeron and these records are available.
> > Let us look at these records.
> >
> > NOw you see there are numbers that can be added to a data base of other deaths caused by these drugs. Then all the deaths can be known as to be caused by the drug and the number 40000 can be generally accepted
> > Lou
> >
> > Tabitha,
> Be not deceived. The generally accepted number of deaths caused by psychiatric drugs varies from 37,000 to 90,000 each year. The other figures are speculations from deaths in nursing homes but are generally accepted by a subset of doctors. I use the thousands of deaths each month because I have graduate study in statistics and understand how these numbers are compiled.
> Now let us look at Geodon in sudden death:
> notice the combinations as to the class of drugs
> Lou
> Tabitha,
Be not deceived. The number of deaths from these drugs is well-known and accurate and the number is increasing. One of the factors that cause the increase is sites like this where readers are seriously misled to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and that people like myself are prevented from posting what could save your life by those like Mr. Hsiung. If his prohibitions to me were lifted, I could open the eyes of readers here to be healed from these drugs. The tragedy here is that people like yourself and Scott and Larry Hoover are allowed to inflict defamation upon me over and over by Mr. Hsiung that could decrease the respect and regard and confidence in which am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feeling toward me. Scott even advocates that readers ignore what I post here. What a shame for those that have been killed here and those that are following the shepherd of death.
Let us look at this site that compiles individually the deaths. In this one, Zoloft is used to show each of hundreds of deaths that you can examine by themselves, one death at a time. Then you can put in other drugs and see the hundreds of deaths. These numbers are not speculations and the 40000 is conservative.




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