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Lou's request to readers-gudphoar

Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2014, at 20:28:56

In reply to Lou's response-suprt/justc » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2014, at 18:29:31

> > > I have a bias towards Twinleaf because I like her, and I consider her to be a valuable poster on Psycho-Babble. ... I see kindness, generosity, careful deliberation, knowledge, and intelligent reasoning in her
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > > > > You are just about the most reasonable, sober, deliberative, generous, and civil poster here
> > > >
> > > > That's actually one reason I'm not showing her leniency. Her posts are uncivil (IMO) more often than most posters'.
> > >
> > > can you explain more?
> > >
> > > alexandra_k
> >
> > One reason I'm not showing her leniency is to balance the bias that posters like Scott have. I see her as having lots of great qualities, but not as being just about the most civil poster here.
> >
> > --
> >
> > > The old nag will never be able to make herself drink the water, because she believes it is contaminated.
> > >
> > > Twinleaf
> >
> > What does she believe would happen if she drank it?
> >
> > --
> >
> > > there is something about about "Equal treatment under the law" that has always appealed to me. Unfortunately, I see selective enforcement occurring here.
> >
> > > I look for justice and see none.
> > >
> > > I like moderation in moderation.
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > The goal here is support, not justice.
> >
> > One man's selectivity is another's moderation.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...the goal here is support, not justice...].
> Then can injustice be supportive? And to whom could you lead to accept that there could be support without justice? For support comes out of your TOS that this could have people to be led to believe is to have fairness and the Golden Rule to be implemented here by you. And those readers that understand the golden rule could think that without justice, three is no support. They could have a rational basis to think that because injustice could harm those that are victims of injustice, and harm coming to others is not supportive in those reader's thinking. What good will come to this community in your thinking as long as you say that the site is for support, not justice, which could mean that support can exist without justice?
> Injustice can stigmatize those that are victims of injustice. They could feel put down or accused and be seen as inferior here if they are allowed to be considered to be devalued and ridiculed and be made targets of contempt or even blamed for real or imagined ills of members or the community. But if there was justice, then the stigmatization could not be put on those here that are victims of injustice. And equality could replace hate being seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
> And when Jefferson added to {The Declaration} that we hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal, he later stood by his word and wrote the {equal protection clause} into the Constitution where other countries emulated his work. He saw that without justice, there was no freedom and the entitlement to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. He envisioned, like you, ahead in as to what would be good for the country as a whole. And I have a vision ahead as to what will be good for this community as a whole. And I have studied the countries and communities where anti-Semitism and injustice were considered supportive and would be good for their community as a whole. And I have read where the world condemned those countries and destroyed them. They saw those countries as a crime against humanity. For they did not say that they hold the truths as self-evident that all men are created equal, for they said that equality and justice could be overruled by them, if in their thinking the country would be improved, even by committing mass-murder.
> Lou Pilder
>
Friends,
The historical record shows that communities that fostered anti-Semitism by allowing anti-Semitism to be considered to be supportive, or even making antisemitic policies, is not something new, but an old way of thinking that blames the Jews for the ills either real or imagined of the country/community/state. Those ignorant of how anti-Semitism works can be persuaded easily by those using the fascist concept of {the common good}, which could be anlaogous to {doing what will be good for the country as a whole}. The Jews become the {enemies} and could be allowed to be used as targets of hate. All the leaders have to do for the furnace of hate to be stoked is to do nothing and allow the Jews to be made scapegoats and be stereotyped as enemies of the community as well as making laws against the Jews that deny them equal protection of the laws and place a badge of shame and stigmatization upon them as being inferior to those that the laws do protect.
Here is a video that I would like for interested readers to view as to how members of a community can be easily persuaded to hate Jews. After seeing this video, ask yourself if a man did that today, what would happen?
Lou
To see this video:
Go to Google and type in:
[ youtube, Ut6P3Rm2GCg ]

 

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