Posted by Lou Pilder on August 29, 2014, at 10:47:34
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on August 29, 2014, at 0:25:09
> > > A subset of readers could see [the FAQ] as more "official" because it's in a central location.
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> > your rationale for thinking that what is in the FAQ is more official than what you post outside the FAQ is concerning the location of the two.
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> I'm not saying that it actually is more official, just that a subset of readers could see it as more official.
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> > readers are to try to trust you, even though you have been wrong previously in discussions with me here.
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> True, no one's perfect. I did admit I was wrong.
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> > The others have not been taken back and can be seen as a rationale basis to be as clarifications to your FAQ/TOS.
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> True, a subset of readers could see them that way.
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> > DD. The golden Rule in Judaism involves justice and morality. How does that Golden Rule allow you to be either be arbitrary, capricious or discriminatory , if you agree that your use of selective enforcement could be thought by a subset of readers to be another name for using discrimination by not applying your rules equally?
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> I think of the Golden Rule as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I'd like others to use their judgment when applying rules to me, so I use my judgment when applying rules to them.
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> True, a subset of readers could see using judgment as discrimination.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...True, a subset of readers could see using judgment as discrimination...].
The Golden Rule in Judaism involves judgment, but it involves how judgment is administrated by the Torah. Now if you are referring to using your judgment in applying your rules based on making a judgment as to if statements do or do not put down or accuse or are not sensitive to the feelings of others or that could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down or jumps to conclusion or is defamatory or racist ect., that is different from choosing which members you will enforce your rules upon. I could use Twinleaf here in the latest enforcement of your rules as an example as to if your enforcement was because you judged that what was written by her put down or accused or that you sanctioned her for other reasons as to some judgment by you. The recipient of the put down was granted the equal protection of your rules. I am going to assume that you are saying that you use your judgment to determine if what was written by her or anyone else constitutes being not in accordance with your rules. Those that are ignorant of Judaism could conceivably accept your reply to me here to believe that the equal protection of the laws and justice defined in the Torah can just be turned a blind eye to by you here in the enforcement of your rules . They could think that anti-Semitism could be allowed to be seen as civil where it is originally posted and defamation toward me also on the basis of if they accept your reply to me here that you say that the Golden Rule, if you are referring to the applying of your rules allows you to not apply your rules equally on the basis that you say that you would like others to use judgment when applying rules to me, so I use my judgment in applying rules to them. The Torah speaks to equality and justice in terms of equality. Jefferson, in his opening passage in the Declaration of Independence, wrote,[...it is self-evident that all men are created equal...]. And later the Constitution incorporated the equal protection of the law clause. And I could show his statement comes from Judaism.
To say what you say is the Golden Rule, leaves out e rest of the Torah. If one was to accept your version of the golden Rule, then a judge could not sentence someone to be executed because he/she could invoke your Golden Rule and say that they will not sentence the guilty part to be executed because thy would not want to be executed. The difference is that the judge has an obligation to enforce the law, and to enforce it equally. You are in the position of authority to enforce your rules, and think that by you not enforcing your rules equally, that great harm can come to those that you do enforce your rules to, as they could feel that thy are being mistreated as being a victim of discrimination that could stigmatize them and give them feelings of unworthiness and potentially contribute to any suicide here.
I have come here to save lives. Lives that I see as being devalued by discrimination in that you use selective enforcement in applying your rules and I see that you use connecting that the Golden Rule justifies discrimination in the enforcement of your rules here. I say not, and there is the potential for a subset of Jews to feel insulted by reading what your version of the golden Rule allows as the enforcer of your rules here. If you are going to continue to ue your selective enforcement and allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation against me to be seen as civil and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole where they are originally posted, then I ask you to do right now:
A. Go to your FAQ/TOS and revise where the golden Rule is to state your version of the Golden Rule
B. Go to all the outstanding notifications from me and post the same sanction there of putting me down in the same way that you did Twinleaf
C. Post an apology to Twinleaf that you regret using unequal enforcement of your rules because it is well-known in the psychiatric literature what harm could come to those being victims of discrimination, which you agree that there could be a subset of people that see your selective enforcement as another name for discrimination.
Lou Pilder
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