Posted by Lou Pilder on August 15, 2014, at 8:20:44
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-wrklzdiz, posted by Lou Pilder on August 15, 2014, at 7:06:37
> > > > I would like for you to post your explanation of what the revisions are that you have made.
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> > > I can see value in that, and have considered it, but unfortunately haven't had the time.
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> > > --
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> > > > The question directed to you by me concerns vulgar {words} that I would like for you to prove are left unsanctioned by you posting a URL of one, for I do not see years of vulgar words being allowed to stand. Your answer concerns {vulgarity}, which is not the same as vulgar words.
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> > > True, let me rephrase that:
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> > > > > How interesting. I see clearly vulgar words and you do not. In a way, it is the opposite of how you see clear anti-Semitism and I do not.
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> > > --
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> > > > Here is one that puts down Judaism and leads me to feel that Judaism is being put down.
> > > > The poster writes,
> > > > [...Convert...save yourself...]
> > > > Let us first look at this post that is allowed to be seen as civil and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole according to your thinking. After a look at the post, then I will post more concerning your invitation to me that you will consider what to do with this post. I am asking that you post a tag line like other posts here that lead a person to feel that their faith is being put down. If not, It is my contention that by you leaving unsanctioned antsemitism to be seen a civil here, that could stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews to come from this site.
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
> > > > And let us keep in mind that the rule here is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
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> > > We discussed this before:
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> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1060220.html
> > >
> > > How about a new one?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Our discussion before was not complete and now some of our previous discussion needs to be resumed by me. This is because there is not a one-person issue here now since a new poster has joined this discussion and the fact that you are leaving statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and statements that defame me unsanctioned where they are originally posted that can cause harm to me and Jews throughout the world. Then there is the fact that a subset of readers could think that you are using evasion tactics such as just to not answer about what revisions you have made to your FAQ/TOS. You say that you do not have the time to answer. I would think that you do have an obligation to at least list the section of your FAQ that you revised.
> > But it is much more than that. For I do not think that to allow statements that are anti-Semitic or that defame me to be seen as civil by you where they are originally posted, to be justified by the reasons that you have posted here. And the fact that you could be secretly changing your rules, in that readers have no disclosure as to what your changes have been and why, opens up the aspect of a subset of readers thinking that there could be deceit having the possibility of challenging the health of this community and could lead to the deaths of readers. This is one reason that I need to open up some of these previous posts because of that you are making changes without those changes being disclosed to readers.
> > Here is one important post that I think readers could use in making their own determination concerning these issues.
> > Lou Pilder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140304/msgs/1065831.html
> >
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> Mr. Hsung,
> Let there be no misunderstanding here. The statement in question that says,{Convert-Lou Pilder}, that says {save yourself first}is a statement that is allowed by you to be seen as civil where it is originally posted on the basis that you say that unsanctioned statements are not against your rules, and that it will be good for this community as a whole according to your thinking and it is supportive by the nature that you say being supportive takes precedence.
> But it is much more than that. Here is your reply to me that a subset of readers could think that you are using for a justification to allow the statement to remain unsanctioned. The statement puts down Jews as it could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down in that the statement could be thought by reasonable readers to mean that Judaism is an incomplete religion, inferior to Christianity because the statement implies that Jews are not saved and need to convert to Christianity in order to be saved. Because the statement is allowed to stand, readers could think that you are validating the hate that could be seen by reasonable readers in the statement as the statement stereotypes Jews as people unsaved, and could lead to the stigmatization of Jews as people destined to be left out of The World to Come as the poster does not define what he means by saved, so readers are at liberty to apply their own interpretation of what saved means. And the popular Christiandom interpretation of saved, is being saved from the Wrath of God so that to convert to Christianity could mean by the poster that Jews will not enter heaven unless they convert to Christianity, which is a false statement that defames Judaism making the statement in question defamation toward Jews.
> Here is your reply that I will post about as to constitute what IMHHHO could cause harm to Jews and is not in accordance with the mission of your site which is for support including The Golden Rule, which I will show that your reply is not in accordance with what I as a Jew have been revealed as to what the Golden rule entails. To ignore that tragic consequences to Jews in the historical record form them being stereotyped and stigmatized, IMHHHHO is a reckless disregard for the truth.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1060220.htmlMr. Hsiung.
Looking at your justification for allowing the statement that could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down, we see that you did not raise the issue that you think that the statement is civil according to your thinking. You gave one justification for allowing the statement to stand, which is:
[...Christian people may also convert to Judaism just as, or even more frequently...].
The tactic of evasion is done by using deceit by making a statement that could be true that is irrelevant and could lead to a false conclusion.
Your statement that readers could think that you are using to justify that the statement that could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down is civil and that you will not sanction the statement because of that, uses a statement that is false and irrelevant. That is your statement that some readers could think that you are making the claim that Christian people can convert to Judaism even more frequently. The truth of the matter could be shown to not substantiate that claim by you because Judaism does not seek converts and it is a rare happening for Christians to convert to Judaism according to statistics concerning that which are published, and records from Jewish sects. In fact, the conversions are usually for purposes of marriage and many Jewish branches do not honor conversions. But the main point is that these conversions are small in number and refute your claim as the record shows, that [...just as, or even more frequently...].
Then there could be a subset of readers to think that deceit can be shown. For your claim to justify the allowing of the defamation toward the Jews here could be thought by them to be irrelevant. They could have a rational basis to think that on the grounds that by throwing up your "justification" for allowing the defamation of the Jews, those readers could think that you are trying to persuade readers that a conclusion can be made to justify your allowing to have the statement to stand on the basis of your claim that is false as there are records of conversions to Judaism and there are few in number in comparison to those that convert to Christianity. And even if your claim was true, as to how many people convert from either religion to the other, that is irrelevant to the fact that the statement could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down. It would not matter if your claim was true or not. Either way, it does not annul the fact that your rule is to not post what could lead one of another faith to feel put down and to not put them down for having their faith. To say that a Jew has to convert to Christianity to be saved, insults Judaism and is a statement not in accordance with what I have revealed as a Jew to be The Golden Rule.
But what is done by you here is to use the tactic of evasion by using the tactic of making a statement that is irrelevant to lead readers to make a conclusion based on that statement. If we took your claim to mean that the statement is civil if your claim is true, readers could be diverted away from what the statement in question purports and be deceived into thinking that the civility of the statement in question is dependent on your claim being true. There are records to show that your claim is false, but readers could be left with the task of finding that out for themselves. The tragic aspect of all of this is that you say that readers are to trust you, which means that a subset of readers will think that the defamation of the Jews depicted in the statement in question is civil b your thinking, since you post some sort of justification for readers to use for you to not sanction it. Those readers that trust you could follow you in all of the anti-Semitic statements that you are allowing to be seen as civil and all of the defamation to be seen as civil toward me and Jews, and act that out with hatred toward the Jews to inflict harm and even murder to Jews thinking that the will be doing what will be good for the community as a whole as you as a psychiatrist leads them to believe. I don't believe it, for I see a transparent attempt to justify anti-Semitism where no justification is deserved.
Lou Pilder
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