Posted by Lou Pilder on March 25, 2014, at 16:45:05
In reply to Lou's reply-edu/phozdr » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on March 25, 2014, at 15:24:08
> > Hi Lou
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> > A I do not know what 10der was thanking Bob for; I merely am applying logic to the question
> > B I conclude that 10der has not recently been engaged with you in your discussion with Bob
> > C I know for a fact that Bob is taking it on himself to make judgments, as it is plainly visible
> > D I know that Bob says that he has changed his view on sanctioning, but I have no opinion as to how that effects his stance on sanctioning alleged anti-semitic statements
> > E I agree that the anti-semitic statement does not need to be sanctioned, however I don't agree with your full statement of Bob's reasons-- ie I am not sure that you state these fully, or accurately
> > F I do not agree that the Bob's statement of his rationale could excite anti-semitic feelings in a subset of readers
> > G I do not believe that one match will start a forest fire. I believe there must be a number of matches, or that the matches much be very powerful matches of a type I don't see here
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> > P I do not think 10der is an accessory, because as a deputy, she did not have final authority; she alerted Bob to possible incivility, but she did not bear any ultimate reponsibility for his judgment -- but the rule was that anyone had the right to alert Bob to possible incivility-- so if she bears responsibility, then all posters do, including you, since you continue to participate in this community.
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> > If I found the refusal to sanction the incivilty threatened to cause injuries and death to Jews, from a subset of readers, then I would leave this site immediately, and set about planning how to protect Jews. I would go to the leaders of Jewish organizations and alert them to this danger; and I would at most monitor the site for any signs that such danger was becoming more immediate.
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> > However, I would consider it a waste of time and energy to debate or dispute with Bob about banning posts that he has said he will not ban. I would take that as definitive and act accordingly elsewhere.
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> > I would leave 10nder out of it as she is not able to remove the posts, and did not in the first instance, or later instances, make the judgment to allow them to stand.
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> > However, Lou, that is what I would do. Apparently, you believe that this site can be improved and that Bob will possibly eventually take the steps to protect Jews that you propose. I wish you good luck on your quest.
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> Willful,
> You wrote,[...If I found the refusal to sanction the incivility threatened to cause injuries and death to Jews..then I would leave this site immediately, and set about planning how to protect Jews...].
> Mr Hsiung and his deputies can control the content here by saying what is or is not supportive and what will be good for this community as a whole according to Mr. Hsiung's thinking. That can foster anti-Semitism if a subset of readers see that anti-Semitic statements can be seen as civil, which means that the statement is un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung or his deputies. I am prevented from posting what IMHHHHO could overcome the anti-Semitism that is in the statements in the discussion here with Mr. Hsiung due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And another prohibition prevents me from posting here discussion with others via email, including Mr. Hsiung and his deputies.
> But let us look at this article as some basis for discussion concerning what you have posted here.
> Lou
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26151425
Willful,
Now let's look at this post which stands today un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record then. Readers could think that the anti-Semitism in the post is civil and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. But it is much more than that.
To see this post:
A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page.
B. Type in,[ admin, 428781 ]
look for the 428781 in the colored strip URL
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1063157
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140304/msgs/1063223.html