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Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung-mhaliz

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 5, 2014, at 20:46:19

In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-correction, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2014, at 20:54:53

> > > > > > > > > Lou's burden of 'saving souls' may be a treacherous form of slavery - a burden seemingly imposed by God himself
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can be thought by a subset of Jewish readers ... is that ... the God in question imposed a form of slavery upon those that He delivered from slavery which was an act of deception to enslave them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think I see what you mean, but:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. the subject of the sentence is "Lou's burden"
> > > > > > 2. he says "may be", not "is", and "seemingly"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > Here is the statement in question:
> > > > > [..I used the phrase to imply that Lou's burden of 'saving souls' may be a treacherous form of slavery-a burden seemingly imposed by God himself...].
> > > > > There are two parts in question.
> > > > > A. Lou's burden (which is saving souls)
> > > > > B. Imposed by God himself
> > > > > The statement in "A" is false. I do not and I am not, under any burden because I give service and worship to the God that delivered the Israelites from slavery out of Egypt. The fact that the author uses the term, {may} does not annul the fact that the author wrote that I have a burden because I am a Jew, or that Jews could have a burden placed upon them by a deceptive, treacherous, god that uses betrayal. This could be a false statement to all Jews, for the statement in toto is about Jews, for the author writes that it is {apparent}(that is what seemingly means), and it also could mean as far as one can see) that the God in question has imposed by deception and betrayal the "burden" upon those that He had delivered from slavery out from Egypt, and I guess their offspring, since the author writes that I am included in any "burden". This could lead a subset of readers, such as Jewish children in depression that come here via a search, to feel put down when they read it and go further into depression and commit suicide.
> > > > > The overriding issue to me here is that a Jewish child that reads the statement could think that the statement insults the God that the Jews give service and worship to by writing that it is apparent {seemingly} that this God used deceit and betrayal to place a burden on Jews which could lead to feeling that they have a bad God and feel put down. And if by seeing what can be seen in the post, the child could think that you by allowing the statement, that you are validating what is written that they feel put down when they read such as being a Jew.
> > > > > This may be to you a hypothetical situation that is unlikely, but there are recent cases like this that are under research as to the effects of statements like the one in question being allowed to be fostered by a psychiatrist as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. But I know what causes depression and suicide and the statement in question could IMHO arouse antisemitic feelings and Jewish readers could think that hostility could be induced in some that read the statement to inflict harm to Jews. This is because the statement is false and defames Jews as an inferior group, stereotyping them as having a burden placed on them by a treacherous God that has betrayed the Jews by deception, for {seemingly} means {for all intents and purposes}.
> > > > > But be it as it may be, if you insist that you want the statement to stand, then you will take the responsibility for any deaths that could arise out of you allowing the statement to stand for you say that you take responsibility for what you write, and I say that by you allowing third party posts to stand, that it could be thought that you are validating what the post could purport and it is like you writing the statement yourself.
> > > > > So let it be with what you want and I would like to go to the other post in question that puts down Jews in the link to John 5.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > You wrote about me asking something to the poster as to if I considered it then.
> > > > The post puts down Jews on its face, and is plainly visible so that I did not consider asking for any clarification from the poster. There is also the prohibitions from you to me that could prevent me from posting what could be confrontational. And also, the issue of posting here that one being a slave that belonged to a faith had already been determined here as not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community by you in a previous post.
> > > > Since it is plainly visible that Jews are the subject and me as a Jew, the libel that states that the God that the Jews give service and worship to is "a treacherous God", is libel per se and needs not to be clairified by asking for such to the author for that God is the same God to all Jews, not to just me as a Jew. But it is much more than that because other faiths also hold that same God as the God that they give service and worship to. So a Christian child could also see the putting down of the God that the Jews give service and worship to as putting them down also since they worship the same God and do not consider that God to be a God that betrays or deceives, which is an insult to the God in question and the people that give service and worship to that God.
> > > > The insult is plainly visible and could cause stigmatization and hatred toward not only Jews, but the others as well. The portrayal of this God as a treacherous God is (redacted by respondent) and is inconsistent with the forum's purpose and distorts the intent of the forum as being for support. By you and up to six deputies unwilling to address the post in the same manner as other posts that {put down}, a subset of readers could think that you and your deputies then are ratifying the libel and that it will be good for the community as a whole to leave it as it is so that a subset of readers could think that it is supportive. This could actively solicit others to post the same or something analogous to what puts down Jews and others as is plainly visible in the post. Then a subset of reads could think that you and your deputies are contributing to the anti-Semitism that is self-evident in the post, for it puts down Jews.
> > > > At this time I would like to modify my request to you in relation to what I want you to post in the thread where the post appears, to say something like one of the following:
> > > > [... I apologize for myself and the deputies for allowing this to stand about the Jews and if it is posted again, or anything analogous to it, by anyone, I will block them...]
> > > > Then I would like to go to the post that puts down Jews where the poster offered a link to John 5 and I listed the numbers of the verses that put down Jews.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > The correction is that I put quotation marks around {treacherous God}. The convention of quotation marks could be used in many ways, one being an exact wording, and another to give a type of emphasis to the phrase, which is what I was intending here, for the statement is:
> > > [...Lou's burden of 'saving souls'may be a treacherous form of slavery-a burden seemingly imposed by God himself...].
> > > The use by me of "treacherous god" is what a subset of readers could think when they read the statement because there is an association with that God {imposed} this {treacherous form of slavery}.
> > > I don't claim to be a "A" student concerning grammatical structure, and others could also not be "A" students also. So it is what could be seen or thought by a subset of readers when they read the post in question and I think that some could think that the god in question is being portrayed as a treacherous God because the poster states that He "imposed" the" treacherous form of slavery" to the Jews because the poster refers to the Exodus.
> > > Lou
> > > >
> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > The readers are led to believe what can be seen by what you have posted here. What readers can be led to believe is that what is posted, and not sanctioned, is considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community, and supportive, and will be good for this community as a whole as stated in your TOS here.
> > The anti-Semitic statements that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to, could reverse the thinking of a subset of people that could think that by the statements standing, that those anti-Semitic statements are supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> > In the post in discussion now, Jewish readers and Christian readers and Islamic readers and all other readers that have their faith's foundation going back to Abraham, could feel insulted not only by what the post could purport about those people that give service and worship to that God that brought the Israelites out of bondage from Egypt, but also about what the post purports about the God that the poster Libels with the false statement that that God used deceit and caused a treacherous form of slavery apparently {imposed} by that God Himself.
> > What matters to me is that Jewish children, Islamic children and Christian children that read this could feel humiliated when they read the post and if they are in depression, they could go deeper into depression and kill themselves. This is because they could think that you are validating the libel against their God by that it is standing , so they could think that you are saying that the libel is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole to allow it to stand. And worse, if they read this discussion between us, they could see that the fire of hate is still burning.
> > Here is a post that readers could have read before they read the post in question here. I can not change what one could think if I posted that what the poster wrote was false, for it goes without saying that Jews and Islamic people and Christians could think that the statement insults their god and them as those that give service and worship to that God.
> > now if you have reached the point that you are going to allow the statement to stand, and not post a repudiation to the libel and insult to the God of the Abrahamic faiths, then you say that you will take the responsibility for whatever arises out of the fact that the statement is standing after my requests to post a repudiation to it.
> > So let us go to the next post where I have asked you to post a repudiation to the anti-Semitic statements in the link offered by the poster to John 5 with the following modification. I am changing my request to that you post that the anti-Semitic statements are not in accordance with your rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths, to include also that the anti-Semitic statements will not be good for this community as a whole.
> > Lou Pilder
> > Here are some links to what readers could think from what can be seen that you think.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/307041.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
> >
> > correction,
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/307041.html
>
> Mr Hsiung and friends,
You wrote,[...Readers could believe that what was posted about you and not repudiated by you was considered by you to be accurate. The statements I'm asking you to post could reverse that thinking...].
Let us look at the statement in question that puts down, in particular but not limited, Jews.
[...Lou's burden of 'saving souls' may be a treacherous form of slavery-a burden seemingly imposed by God himself...].
The claim by Mr Hsiung that readers could think that I condone the libel against me by not posting a repudiation, which could mean that such readers make a conclusion, could misrepresent the terms of service to the members, for the rule by Mr Hsiung is to not jump to a conclusion about a member. There is nothing that I know of in the record that requires anyone to post a repudiation of libel against another, or a repudiation of a statement that puts down Jews or those of other faiths, for the TOS by Mr. Hsiung is that one does not have to post anything for Mr Hsiung and/or his deputies to sanction a post because Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction a post because one match could start a forest fire, so no one has to complain before he and/or his deputies act. This is established here by:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/2004112/msgs/307041.html
But it is much more than that. Readers could think a lot of things as to why I did not post a response there. Readers could think that I was following the rules here by using some type of notification to Mr Hsiung about it such as an email to him. And readers could think that the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung could preclude me from posting a response because the response could be confrontational and the rule is not to return something wrong because two wrongs do not make a right. And readers could think that I was not reading the board then.
But be it as it may be, I do not see any denial that the post *puts down* Jews and those of other faiths that are Abrahamic faiths. That is one part of the post that is different from what libels me with the false statement that I have some type of burden because I am a Jew that has a God that imposes a treacherous form of slavery to those that give service and worship to that God. The statement by the poster could be seen by Jewish readers and readers of other Abrahamic faiths as a mocking and taunting that ridicules those that are Jews and those of other Abrahamic faiths. The statement as I read it insults the God in question and is self-evident by the nature of the generally accepted understanding of what {put down} means. And to allow this to continue could induce to the next reader of that post what could seriously mislead the reader into thinking that the statement in question is supportive and that it alright to post what could put down Jews in spite of the rule to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths, for after all, Mr. Hsiung also states that what is not sanctioned could be thought to be supportive and conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community. If so, That IMHHHHHHO distorts the intent of the mission of the forum and is inconsistent with the forum's purpose.
So be it as you want to be, Mr. Hsiung. And you say that you will take responsibility for what is posted here. And I say that by you allowing the statement to stand without repudiation by yourself, readers could think that you are ratifying what the statement could purport. This IMHO could encourage third-party posts of the same nature, which the record clearly shows in that from this post in question on, other posts that put down Jews and others and those post that are anti-Semitic are what in question in this discussion.
Now I would like to go on to that post where the poster offers the link to John 5 where I have listed the verses that are anti-Semitic. And I am modifying my request in that I now would like for you to use the following format that you used in the other post in this discussion, if you agree that the verses that I have listed are anti-Semitic, which is:
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