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Re: one final appeal » Minnie-Haha

Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2005, at 19:19:14

In reply to Re: one final appeal » alexandra_k, posted by Minnie-Haha on April 28, 2005, at 11:04:50

> > ... Over time I have changed my views on [the frequent civility-rule requests]. I think that it is nice that it is okay for frequent requests for determination because I think I have come to understand a little about the INTENTION behind such requests for determination...

> Thank you for your thoughtful response. Yes, I did touch on this further back in the thread, but I don't mind explaining my feelings again. IMO, the intention isn't the important thing but the behavior itself.

From the link you supplied:

>An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

So the intention of a troll is to:
- sow discord.
- try to start arguments with the intention of upsetting people.

If this isn't the intention then it would seem that the person isn't being a troll (by definition). Intention does seem to be important with respect to whether someone is being a troll or not...

>For instance, some people salt their speech with profanities.

Yeah, I swear a fair bit myself.

>They don't intend to offend, they just use four-letter-words as adjectives or interjections or whatever. And many people can listen to that and not be offended at all, but others are offended and that's why curse words (according to Webster's) are forbidden here.

Actually, what to do about swearing on these boards was a hard decision to make for the very same reasons that this situation is hard:

A weighing of freedom of expression and the fact that some people really are offended. A comprimise was made here. You can swear as much as you like and the civility filter will handle it. IMO that is coming down more on the side of freedom of speech than of the people who are feeling offended.

>The intention is not being curtailed, but the behavior, because it is hurtful and offensive to enough people to be restricted.

Only to the extent that an asterisk is being inserted. And the system is far from perfect.
B*llshit. He he.

> > ... But how much to limit freedom of expression?

> Sarcasm, put downs, etc. are not allowed here and that limits freedom of expression, but they are considered hurtful or offensive and therefore not in the best interest of the group. And freedom of speech is not absolute, as Campbell explains in the document Dr. Bob direct us to in his FAQ on civility.

I'm not advocating COMPLETE freedom of speech.

> > And how much to take it as an opportunity to learn to better manage the hurt?

> Well, IMO, if someone is offended by uncivil behavior, they should not have to modify their behavior, but the offender should.

Yes. Though the behaviour doesn't seem to be either uncivil or trolling.

Sometimes in life we can't change others.
All that is left to be done is to work on our responses to them.

 

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