Posted by Dr. Bob on April 5, 2002, at 9:29:35
Lou's answer to those that want Janelle's survey
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 7:58:19In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020403/msgs/21478.html
> Friends;
> There are many important issues involved in Jannell's survey. This issue went to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decieded over 20 years ago. The rulling was that the survey was not permissible if the administration wanted to ban it. It did not have constitutional protection under the first amendment. The case involved a Public employee in a law office and he posted the survey in the lounge and contested that his first amendment rights protected the survey. Wrong, said the US Supreme court on the same grounds that I have said, and the survey maker used the same arguments here to have the survey and those arguments were poo-pood. For the survey was confrontational and arroused adverse feelings about other employees and his boss and they were not volintary in respect that the survey to those that did not answer were subjected to a cloud of suspition. The questions involve matters of confidentualality and have no foundation to be raised and there is no purpose demanding the survey questions to be answererd.
> I asked Dr. Bob to make a determination for it is his option to allow the survey. That doesn't mean that I have to agree that the survey could benifit or advance the cause of this board. In fact, I believe that the survey is harmfull to many members of PB for the reasons already stated. There are other very important issues that I will address in regards to the survey in my next post.
> Lou----
Lou's answer to is the survey volintary?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 8:45:13In reply to Lou's answer to those that want Janelle's survey, posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 7:58:19
> Friends;
> Is the survey volintary? When I was a teacher, the administration initiated a bible-study after school. I was the only jewish teacher, or student in the school. I made a legal challenge to stop the bible study and the administration's argument was that it was volintary. Wrong said the judge. It was held after school so the school officials already had the students there. Thearfore, it was not volintary. To be volintary, the students would have to first go home and return in the evening on their own volition.
> I believe that that principle prevails here also since the posters are allready on the board. I believe for the survey to be volintary, that the posters should give their answeres by email to show that it is private and on their own volition. I will answer the other issues on my next post.
> Lou----
Lou's answer to are the survey questionharmless?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 9:04:21In reply to Lou's answer to is the survey volintary?, posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 8:45:13
> Friends;
> Beirdee says that the survey questions are harmless. I disagree with Beirdee for the questions are ,imo,flagerantly profane and obscene. the questions demand that the answerer devulge great inner torment to the surveyer, such as if they are on public assisitsnce, or working or unmarried or married all as a result of their afflictions.
> Now when I was a teacher, I was the only jewish teacher in the school and the teachers accosted me in the lounge and said to me,"Were taking a survey, Mr. Pilder. How many of your relitives were murdered by the Nazis?". "Do you like Hitler?,Mr. Pilder?"
> I made a legal challenge againt the schoolboard and the teachers said that they had a right to confront me with their questions because they were taking A SURVEY. My lawyers countered with that the teachers were really trying to arrouse anti-Semitic feelings amoung the staff and students and that they were trying to remind me of the horrors of Nazism to inflict great emotional pain upon me. I settled the case with them befor trial so we did not get a formal rulling. However, there are numerous cases in case law that affirm my position and that the survey was just a transparrent attempt to arrouse anti-Semitic feelings toward me by the teachers.
> Now I am not contending at all that Jannell's survey was directed at anyone and I am making this disclaimer. But I do believe that any survey that lacks any proper foundation could be construed to have an ulterior purpose. Maybe I missed something in another thread that demended that the survey be taken. But I am not requirered to serch all the archives to find such.
> Lou----
Lou's answer to we are big boys and can answer
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2002, at 9:21:32In reply to For heaven's sake! She's not Stanley Milgram! » Lou Pilder, posted by beardedlady on April 5, 2002, at 6:34:57
> Friends;
> Beerdee says that "we are big boys and can answer for ourselves". I disagree with her on the following grounds:
> There are many people on this board that are showing signs of being dibilitated, impaired and many are in great depression. Depression alone robs us of being able to make decisions as well as those that are not impaired. Anyone can see the suffering of the people on this board. I don't believe that a person that is attempting suicide is capable of making rational decisions like those that are not attempting suicide. I don't believe that a person that is in psychotic depression can make rational decisions like those that are not in psychotic depression. I don't believe that a person that has just been firered from their job and lost their livelyhood can make rational decisions like those that are gainfully employed. I don't believe that a person suffering an adverse reaction to a psychotropic drug can make a rational decision like those that are not suffering an adverse reaction tio a psychotropic drug.. I don't believe that a person going through withdraw can make a rational decision like those that are not going through withdrawal.
> Lou
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