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Re: severe overanalyzation » baseball55

Posted by europerep on August 15, 2014, at 15:48:55

In reply to Re: severe overanalyzation » europerep, posted by baseball55 on August 14, 2014, at 19:47:37

> I have no hard data, except to note that (a) mood disorders are very common; (b) hospitalizations for serious suicidal ideation are not very common; (c) suicide attempts are uncommon; (d) suicide is quite rare.
>

Ok, so basically, you made it up ;-)... no I mean I get your point, but I think that, precisely because suicide is so poorly understood, it is important to use the little hard data we have.

I have seen a range of sources saying that somewhere between 70% and 90% of all those who complete suicide have had a psychiatric diagnosis. Whether they were in treatment, or when the diagnosis is made etc. are a different story, but they have been to a psychiatrist at some point in their life. I don't have a neat source to quote, but the last time I read it just recently was in the powerpoint of a university lecture, so I think it's moderately reliable.

Now, psychiatric diagnoses includes more than MDD, but if you see that depressive symptoms are also among the things that cause a huge amount of suffering in bipolar, schizo-affective, psychotic depression, schizophrenia etc., I think it's fair to suppose that many suicide completers have dealt with depression at some point in their lives. That the vast majority of people who have dealt with depression never become suicide completers, is a completely separate thing.

And then there's also the definition of words. Does contemplating suicide mean that you have vague thoughts thinking that if all else fails you can still commit suicide, or does it mean searching for a method, preparing it, writing letters, etc.? I have been at both points, but with about ten years in between.

I personally think that suicidality is much more common among people with depression than many people think. Not just severe depression. It's just that it only becomes a serious option after quite a long time, like was the case for me. And at least for people who suffer "just" episodes of depression, as opposed to chronic, depression goes away sufficiently fast for serious suicidality not to occur. But that last part is really just speculation on my part, the first part of this post really does have some data to support it.

 

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